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Post by lugnuts55 on Apr 17, 2018 3:52:24 GMT 9
Below is a post I made on the 106 facebook page pasted here for your information.
I was with Dave last week Wednesday for a few hours at the hangar. We spent most of the time talking about things that Dave wants to get done this summer, if it ever gets to summer in Wisconsin, and I do my best to keep the fire lit under his ass. He said he likes it when I bug him because he enjoys going to the hangar. All the other things he does, he does them because he HAS to. The hangar is where he WANTS to be. He has his business to run and he is still working on rehabbing his house. He is doing that for his wife, his choice, because she is so patient and understanding about his interest in the 106 project. His welder moved to Colorado and he wants to try to persuade him to come back and finish the welding on the rear support brace. Once that is done and in place, then the beams holding the front and back of the nose can be removed. We wil be able to open the bay doors and get the racks down. Our gauge, scope, researcher and other part fabricator, Frank Borchardt, will be able to get into the MA-1 compartments to get measurements for the black boxes that go in there. The whole thing is resting on beams. We are having a drag link made for the nose gear. Once that is done and installed, the nose gear will support the front end. It seems the hold up is getting the rear support brace welded together and installed. We know how we want to attach the brace to the back end but the brace has to be welded together. Dave feels that once the brace is in place, everything else should come together a little quicker. It would be fair to say that progress is painfully slow but it should be considered a part time project. I believe if it were fll time, it would likely be finished or close to finished.
Regarding the MA-1 boxes, Frank needs pictures of them so he can make the faces of the boxes and get them in the right place. If anybody has information about where to get pictures or if you have pictures, please let me know. My email address is lugnuts55@aol.com. If you send the pictures and/or info to me, I will get it to Frank. Thank you in advance for anything you can share with us. Mike
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Post by lugnuts55 on Apr 17, 2018 3:56:59 GMT 9
Pat, if you can, its okay to delete two of the three posts. I'm not sure how it happened but three posts were made of the same one. Thanks, Mike
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Post by pat perry on Apr 18, 2018 5:35:39 GMT 9
Below is a post I made on the 106 facebook page pasted here for your information. I was with Dave last week Wednesday for a few hours at the hangar. We spent most of the time talking about things that Dave wants to get done this summer, if it ever gets to summer in Wisconsin, and I do my best to keep the fire lit under his ass. He said he likes it when I bug him because he enjoys going to the hangar. All the other things he does, he does them because he HAS to. The hangar is where he WANTS to be. He has his business to run and he is still working on rehabbing his house. He is doing that for his wife, his choice, because she is so patient and understanding about his interest in the 106 project. His welder moved to Colorado and he wants to try to persuade him to come back and finish the welding on the rear support brace. Once that is done and in place, then the beams holding the front and back of the nose can be removed. We wil be able to open the bay doors and get the racks down. Our gauge, scope, researcher and other part fabricator, Frank Borchardt, will be able to get into the MA-1 compartments to get measurements for the black boxes that go in there. The whole thing is resting on beams. We are having a drag link made for the nose gear. Once that is done and installed, the nose gear will support the front end. It seems the hold up is getting the rear support brace welded together and installed. We know how we want to attach the brace to the back end but the brace has to be welded together. Dave feels that once the brace is in place, everything else should come together a little quicker. It would be fair to say that progress is painfully slow but it should be considered a part time project. I believe if it were fll time, it would likely be finished or close to finished. Regarding the MA-1 boxes, Frank needs pictures of them so he can make the faces of the boxes and get them in the right place. If anybody has information about where to get pictures or if you have pictures, please let me know. My email address is lugnuts55@aol.com. If you send the pictures and/or info to me, I will get it to Frank. Thank you in advance for anything you can share with us. MikeMike, go here www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/ and type MA-1 into the search field and hit return. Scroll down and you will find some pictures of the left and right black box bays in the nose of the F-106.
Hope this helps. Thanks, Pat P.
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Post by fjborchardt on May 11, 2018 11:01:49 GMT 9
Pat: Pat: Thanks for the lead concerning the black boxes in the left front nose section. I've searched all over the web and have found nothing but the usual, stock type pictures. I already have them and even enlarged them to try to get the verbage. I wrote the the AF Museum at Wright-Pat and inquired what information they may have. Brett Stolle, the curator, sent me the whole tech order (TO 1F-106A-2-14) and, while it has a wealth of information it didn't give me many illustrations. The search continues. To piggyback off of Lugnuts post: We're discussing the brace for the back of the aircraft. Seeing this will be a travelling "museum" Dave wants to be able to get this airframe off the trailer and have a stand alone display. We're considering using the landing gear like those used on semi trailers. I think it's a "go", now we're discussing ways of attaching the gear to the brace. At the other end of the airframe, the nose gear lower drag link has been drafted and a prototype has been made. I've given the drafts to a machinist friend of mine and he entered the measurements into a computer aided machining program. Currently, it's in progress of being cut out of an aluminum billet. I was hoping to have the piece for my trip to Milwaukee 05/19/18 but it looks like some other productions took priority. Eiether way, I have the prototype piece and it will serve the purpose for a check fit. Can't wait to get this airframe into the air so we can access the missile bay. This is where the real work starts. I gotta get the missile out of the garage before the FBI checks into my place. Again, thanks for the tip on the pictures.
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Post by Jim on May 12, 2018 0:24:06 GMT 9
Beautiful job on that missile
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Post by pat perry on May 13, 2018 7:09:15 GMT 9
Pat: Pat: Thanks for the lead concerning the black boxes in the left front nose section. I've searched all over the web and have found nothing but the usual, stock type pictures. I already have them and even enlarged them to try to get the verbage. I wrote the the AF Museum at Wright-Pat and inquired what information they may have. Brett Stolle, the curator, sent me the whole tech order (TO 1F-106A-2-14) and, while it has a wealth of information it didn't give me many illustrations. The search continues. To piggyback off of Lugnuts post: We're discussing the brace for the back of the aircraft. Seeing this will be a travelling "museum" Dave wants to be able to get this airframe off the trailer and have a stand alone display. We're considering using the landing gear like those used on semi trailers. I think it's a "go", now we're discussing ways of attaching the gear to the brace. At the other end of the airframe, the nose gear lower drag link has been drafted and a prototype has been made. I've given the drafts to a machinist friend of mine and he entered the measurements into a computer aided machining program. Currently, it's in progress of being cut out of an aluminum billet. I was hoping to have the piece for my trip to Milwaukee 05/19/18 but it looks like some other productions took priority. Eiether way, I have the prototype piece and it will serve the purpose for a check fit. Can't wait to get this airframe into the air so we can access the missile bay. This is where the real work starts. I gotta get the missile out of the garage before the FBI checks into my place. Again, thanks for the tip on the pictures. fjborchardt, I will check the F-106 at Castle Air Museum later this month to see if they have black boxes installed on both sides of the nose access panels. If so, I will take some higher resolution pictures to send you. Ralph Robledo did the restoration on that F-106 and he is a MA-1 troop. He also built the missiles for the display out of PVC pipe. His email is Dartmachbuster@att.net . Thanks, Pat P
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Post by fjborchardt on May 14, 2018 6:52:29 GMT 9
Thanks Jim. This is just a rough-in. I still need to finish it. It's the little things that need to be added. Then the paint.
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Post by fjborchardt on May 14, 2018 6:53:55 GMT 9
Pat: Any pictures that are clear enough to get the verbage would be a godsend. I can fake the rest pretty well. THanks for your help and the contact.
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Post by pat perry on May 15, 2018 9:48:54 GMT 9
Pat: Any pictures that are clear enough to get the verbage would be a godsend. I can fake the rest pretty well. THanks for your help and the contact. fjborchardt (Frank Borchardt), Unfortunately, the F-106A display aircraft at Castle Air Museum has only racks and no boxes in the LH & RH nose electronic bays. However, we have the T.O. 1F-106A-4 Illustrated Parts Breakdown Technical Order for F-106 A & B aircraft here: www.f-106deltadart.com/manuals_documents.htmClick on the T.O. 1F-106A-4 Illustrated Parts Breakdown Technical Order and the table of contents will open. Click on Electrical & Electronic subsections and it will take you here: www.f-106deltadart.com/manuals/T.O.%201F-106A-4/0022%20Electrical%20and%20Electronic%20Subsections.pdfYou can download this section to your PC (19.4 megabytes). Scroll to page 2.18.42 to see the LH Nose Rack & boxes. The Part Number & Descriptions of the boxes is on the next page 2.18.43 Scroll to page 2.18.46 to see the RH Nose Rack & Boxes. The Part Number & Description of the boxes is on the next page 2.18.47 Alternatively, you can download the entire Tech Order (262 megabytes) to your PC. (I would suggest this approach) Here is a link to all the pictures we have of Dave Peltz display project on F-106B 59-0164 that you and Mike Kiedrowski are working on: www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/index.php?/category/379Thanks, Pat P.
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Post by fjborchardt on May 15, 2018 10:39:36 GMT 9
Pat: It seems that the fate of the black boxes rest in a place other than in an F-106 display/museum/gate guard. I have the -4 for the A and B model and both give me only the part numbers and brief description. I'll dig a little bit further to see if I can get an NSN but even then it's doubtful I get a picture. I also have the T.O."Aircraft And Weapon Control Interceptor Systems Type MA-1 and Type AN/ASQ-25" (T.O. 1F-106A-2-14) and the illustrations are limited to location and part number. This is indeed a challenge and I appreciate your help with this matter. I'll be contacting Mr. Robledo within the week. My thanks again.
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Post by Jim on May 17, 2018 12:34:57 GMT 9
Some of Frank's outstanding replications for A/C displays
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Post by Jim on May 23, 2018 9:50:14 GMT 9
Frank, the instrument man for 0164 with his appreciation clock from us here on the Forum. That, my friend, is just a small token of our appreciation. The Old Sarge
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Post by fjborchardt on May 24, 2018 11:51:41 GMT 9
The weekend was a great sucess! The part that was fabricated for the nose gear fit perfectly. With the check-fit done, it's now okay to make this piece out of aluminum. We discussed the support for the back of the airframe and met in agreement as to how it should be stabilized. Operation of the systems for the nose gear, IR head, bay doors and rails were discussed and we're looking at the feasability of making it all hydraulic. The canopy currently is motorized and we're looking at making that hydraulic also. More research is needed. The meet was topped off with a good lunch and great friends. Progress!
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Post by Jim on May 25, 2018 0:25:50 GMT 9
The weekend was a great sucess! The part that was fabricated for the nose gear fit perfectly. With the check-fit done, it's now okay to make this piece out of aluminum. We discussed the support for the back of the airframe and met in agreement as to how it should be stabilized. Operation of the systems for the nose gear, IR head, bay doors and rails were discussed and we're looking at the feasability of making it all hydraulic. The canopy currently is motorized and we're looking at making that hydraulic also. More research is needed. The meet was topped off with a good lunch and great friends. Progress! Thanks to you Frank and to the rest of the crew... How about photos of the bunch involved? Either individually or a group picture.... The Old Sarge
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Post by fjborchardt on May 25, 2018 12:21:14 GMT 9
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Post by fjborchardt on Jul 28, 2018 10:14:52 GMT 9
Well, here it is the 27 of July and research is going full bore ahead. I've got leads out to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum for info concerning the black boxes, a lead out to Hermes Technicial International concerning the electronics bay door (B model) and Thompson Avaition Manuals for the F-106 Nose gear Wiring diagram. All are awaiting reply. Thats about all from the western front, more as it develops. Thanks guys.
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Post by lugnuts55 on Jan 25, 2019 9:05:17 GMT 9
I am sending a huge THANK YOU to MA-1 Marv for sending me pictures of the black boxes in the radar bays. Frank Borchardt has been looking everywhere for a picture, as have I. Recently on Facebook Marv saw me responding to a post about instruments and he asked if I was the one looking for a picture. Pat Perry replied that I was the one. When I saw the post, I got in touch with Marv. He had been looking for pictures he had and he found them. I got them the other day in the mail and they are perfect! When I sent the pictures to Frank, he was thrilled to finally see what he needed. I think we will have the only traveling museum/display acft with something in the radar bays. Thank you to Pat Perry as well for seeing the post and acknowledging that I was in fact looking for a picture.
I am doing some research on the operation of the canopy. During normal operation, the canopy will stop and stay in position if the switch is released during opening or closing. The -2-2 has many cautions and warnings during switch adjustments that certain actions will cause the canopy to fall if the safety bars are not in place. One of the conditions that would allow the canopy to fall is the removal of battery power that would deenergize the clutch that holds the screw jack in place. Of course our bird does not have battery power or power of any kind that would be used to operate the canopy. If we remove the board we have in place as a safety strut, will the canopy fall? Does the screw jack spool down? We have been discussing whether to make it operate hydraulically or leave it electrically operated. I believe we are leaning toward leaving it electrical and power it with a generator. However, that raises another issue. The motor is made to operate with 28vdc. Should I look into having the motor changed to operate on 120vac as provided by a generator? Does it even need to be modified? I am early in my research so I wanted to ask the questions here first and see if anybody has any ideas about this. I should also add that this is a B model. I appreciate any ideas or guidance on this issue.
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Post by Jim on Jan 25, 2019 10:18:13 GMT 9
I am sending a huge THANK YOU to MA-1 Marv for sending me pictures of the black boxes in the radar bays. Frank Borchardt has been looking everywhere for a picture, as have I. Recently on Facebook Marv saw me responding to a post about instruments and he asked if I was the one looking for a picture. Pat Perry replied that I was the one. When I saw the post, I got in touch with Marv. He had been looking for pictures he had and he found them. I got them the other day in the mail and they are perfect! When I sent the pictures to Frank, he was thrilled to finally see what he needed. I think we will have the only traveling museum/display acft with something in the radar bays. Thank you to Pat Perry as well for seeing the post and acknowledging that I was in fact looking for a picture. I am doing some research on the operation of the canopy. During normal operation, the canopy will stop and stay in position if the switch is released during opening or closing. The -2-2 has many cautions and warnings during switch adjustments that certain actions will cause the canopy to fall if the safety bars are not in place. One of the conditions that would allow the canopy to fall is the removal of battery power that would deenergize the clutch that holds the screw jack in place. Of course our bird does not have battery power or power of any kind that would be used to operate the canopy. If we remove the board we have in place as a safety strut, will the canopy fall? Does the screw jack spool down? We have been discussing whether to make it operate hydraulically or leave it electrically operated. I believe we are leaning toward leaving it electrical and power it with a generator. However, that raises another issue. The motor is made to operate with 28vdc. Should I look into having the motor changed to operate on 120vac as provided by a generator? Does it even need to be modified? I am early in my research so I wanted to ask the questions here first and see if anybody has any ideas about this. I should also add that this is a B model. I appreciate any ideas or guidance on this issue. Mike, that is one heavy canopy..... Whatever means you use to open/close, when it is full open, be sure to put the support(s ?) in place. For some reason, I keep thinking that there were 2 jacks used-one on each side. 2 12 volt batteries hooked in series should give you 24 volts, whether that would be enough, I don't know. Batteries have to be cheaper than hydraulics, and you would still need some thing to drive the pump. Thanks, weeennie MArv for a big helping hand....... The Old Sarge
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Post by lugnuts55 on Jan 25, 2019 13:22:56 GMT 9
Jim, I appreciate your concern about the weight of the canopy. You ain't kidding that it is heavy. Dave measured, cut, and placed a board to hold it open. He and one other person opened the canopy by raising it a little then shoving a wooden beam along the rails until they could getinto the cockpit enough to push it all the way up. I was not there when it was done but Dave says it was "brutal". We only have the one support and it has been holding with no difficulty. It has a hole drilled in the ends to accommodate the locating pins to keep it from sliding. Since there is no power to the acft, we are very mindful of safety. It would be pretty cool to get our hands on an actual canopy support. I wonder what happened to them when the airplanes started disappearing. Maybe a call to the boneyard would be in order.
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Post by Jim on Jan 25, 2019 13:55:07 GMT 9
Jim, I appreciate your concern about the weight of the canopy. You ain't kidding that it is heavy. Dave measured, cut, and placed a board to hold it open. He and one other person opened the canopy by raising it a little then shoving a wooden beam along the rails until they could getinto the cockpit enough to push it all the way up. I was not there when it was done but Dave says it was "brutal". We only have the one support and it has been holding with no difficulty. It has a hole drilled in the ends to accommodate the locating pins to keep it from sliding. Since there is no power to the acft, we are very mindful of safety. It would be pretty cool to get our hands on an actual canopy support. I wonder what happened to them when the airplanes started disappearing. Maybe a call to the boneyard would be in order. Mike, I believe the originals were tubular steel that may very well have been telescoping. This much I think I remember (last time I was around a SIX was 1 Dec 1963), there was a block that fit in a socket or hole in the cockpit rail and I think there might a similar socket in the canopy rail. Suggestion-fabricate two of them, paint them red and you will be pretty near authentic. The reason for two of them is to prevent a twisting action and putting the hinge pins under stress. Make them a bit shorter than necessary so that they may be slipped into place
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