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Post by pat perry on Jan 25, 2019 14:10:38 GMT 9
I am sending a huge THANK YOU to MA-1 Marv for sending me pictures of the black boxes in the radar bays. Frank Borchardt has been looking everywhere for a picture, as have I. Recently on Facebook Marv saw me responding to a post about instruments and he asked if I was the one looking for a picture. Pat Perry replied that I was the one. When I saw the post, I got in touch with Marv. He had been looking for pictures he had and he found them. I got them the other day in the mail and they are perfect! When I sent the pictures to Frank, he was thrilled to finally see what he needed. I think we will have the only traveling museum/display acft with something in the radar bays. Thank you to Pat Perry as well for seeing the post and acknowledging that I was in fact looking for a picture. I am doing some research on the operation of the canopy. During normal operation, the canopy will stop and stay in position if the switch is released during opening or closing. The -2-2 has many cautions and warnings during switch adjustments that certain actions will cause the canopy to fall if the safety bars are not in place. One of the conditions that would allow the canopy to fall is the removal of battery power that would deenergize the clutch that holds the screw jack in place. Of course our bird does not have battery power or power of any kind that would be used to operate the canopy. If we remove the board we have in place as a safety strut, will the canopy fall? Does the screw jack spool down? We have been discussing whether to make it operate hydraulically or leave it electrically operated. I believe we are leaning toward leaving it electrical and power it with a generator. However, that raises another issue. The motor is made to operate with 28vdc. Should I look into having the motor changed to operate on 120vac as provided by a generator? Does it even need to be modified? I am early in my research so I wanted to ask the questions here first and see if anybody has any ideas about this. I should also add that this is a B model. I appreciate any ideas or guidance on this issue. Mike, Glad Marv was able to send you the pictures. At some point we need to scan them into picture files and put them in the F-106 website photo albums. On the canopy, you might look at some local car shops that do hydraulics for low rider cars and see what they can come up with. How heavy is he canopy if you raise it from the screw jack connection point? I imagine close to 200-250 pounds. There may be an after market electric screw jack actuator without the need of a clutch that could be adapted to fit. Is the plan to have students enter the seats and lower the canopy to do a training/demo event? Or will it only be raised and lowered once a day at the training/demonstration site? Of course safety is job 1 when students are involved. Definitely use two stands to support the canopy when open to even out the support load. Trucks and fork lifts often use a 24VDC system. We use 2- 12VDC deep cycle batteries to drive the jet engine starter we use to start the fuel dragsters. That is 4 volts lower than original but the motor should still operate. Of course you could also use a 110VAC source and step it down with a 28VDC transformer, but the electric clutch problem still exists if you lose AC power. That's all I got for now. Still thinking. Thanks, Pat P.
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Post by lugnuts55 on Jan 25, 2019 14:24:48 GMT 9
Thanks Pat, for the good information. I might have thought of fabricating supports eventually but it isn't such a huge task to make a couple of them. I think there was a knurled "nut" that threaded the center strut allowing it to be raised and lowered. Still not that much of a problem.
At this point, there have been thoughts of letting the visitors get into the cockpits and then we would close the canopy. However, I think that has been changed to only allow visitors to sit in the cockpits without closing them in. This would be the safer way to go. It will eventually depend on what we end up with when we are ready for the first showing. But maybe the 2-12v batteries would be a good thing to have so we can open the canopy and put the struts in place. There may be other times it would be a good thing to have batteries. The actual aircraft used the battery to open and close the canopy without a power unit attached.
Researching, so far, is a bit more fun than just taking a few pictures now and then. I do understand the importance of pictures but I am unable to do much physical work. Frank has told me that I might be allowed to help with the wiring of the components we will need to operate the different things we want to operate. I don't know if I ever said this but i am a retired auto mechanic. That's why the Lugnuts handle.
I didn't know you were into racing. I am not very well versed in racing but I did like going to the drags in the summer. I saw Art Arfons and the Green Monster here one year. The Little Red Wagon was a regular as well. I was really impressed with the jet dragsters once I was in the AF since I knew a little about that. Those were fun times.
Thanks again for the info.
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Post by pat perry on Jan 26, 2019 3:04:23 GMT 9
Thanks Pat, for the good information. I might have thought of fabricating supports eventually but it isn't such a huge task to make a couple of them. I think there was a knurled "nut" that threaded the center strut allowing it to be raised and lowered. Still not that much of a problem.
At this point, there have been thoughts of letting the visitors get into the cockpits and then we would close the canopy. However, I think that has been changed to only allow visitors to sit in the cockpits without closing them in. This would be the safer way to go. It will eventually depend on what we end up with when we are ready for the first showing. But maybe the 2-12v batteries would be a good thing to have so we can open the canopy and put the struts in place. There may be other times it would be a good thing to have batteries. The actual aircraft used the battery to open and close the canopy without a power unit attached.
Researching, so far, is a bit more fun than just taking a few pictures now and then. I do understand the importance of pictures but I am unable to do much physical work. Frank has told me that I might be allowed to help with the wiring of the components we will need to operate the different things we want to operate. I don't know if I ever said this but i am a retired auto mechanic. That's why the Lugnuts handle.
I didn't know you were into racing. I am not very well versed in racing but I did like going to the drags in the summer. I saw Art Arfons and the Green Monster here one year. The Little Red Wagon was a regular as well. I was really impressed with the jet dragsters once I was in the AF since I knew a little about that. Those were fun times.
Thanks again for the info. Mike, see the picture here from Larry O'Brien at Palm Springs Air Museum. Post him on FaceBook and see if he can send you a picture close up of how they built their canopy supports. www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/picture.php?/15937/category/494Brothers Art & Walt Arfons built a bunch of dragsters and land speed record cars. Google them. In '64 or '65 we match raced against the Walt Arfons Green Monster driven by Doug Rose and later owned by Doug and called the Green Mamba. Doug lost both legs in a crash in 1966 and was killed in the Mamba on August 17, 2018. I raced with Raymond Godman who owned a series of dragsters call the "Tennessee Bo-Weevil". At the time we raced the Monster at Carlisle, AR Raymond had a blown & injected Hemi A/Modified Roadster on gasoline that won the US Nationals in 1963 at 188 MPH. James "Red" Dyer drove the car at Carlisle. We won the best 2 of 3 match race because Red knew if he was behind at the finish line, he would get blasted by sand and gravel from the jet engine thrust and it would enter the engine if he didn't shut off. The Bo-Weevil was faster at launch than the Monster but the Monster picked up speed rapidly from half track to the end to 210-220 MPH. On the first race, Red won and the Monster pulled his drag chute and the car went airborne about 4 feet. It settled down and went straight. Walt said no problem, and adjusted the pressure in the gas shocks and it ran smoother the next two passes. In the late 60s and 70s Raymond ran AA/FD and AA Funny Cars. Pat P. The Green Monster (later Mamba when Doug Rose owned it) Tennessee Bo-Weevil A/Modified Roadster (restored) & Raymond Godman now deceased
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Post by lugnuts55 on Jan 27, 2019 12:51:39 GMT 9
Thanks for the link to the picture of the canopy struts. I will ask Larry about them. He is the one I was posting with on Facebook about instruments. I see you got into racing early. You had to have some automotive background to be part of the team. That must have been exciting for you.
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Post by fjborchardt on Jan 28, 2019 13:38:37 GMT 9
In concert with Lugnuts, I pass on my most grateful thanks to MA1Marv for having and finding the MA1 pictures, Pat for remembering that Lugnuts was looking for them and to Lugnuts for getting them to me, the end user. The picture has been blown up to a workable size and once I get the final measurements of the compartments it will be enlarged to full size. In the meantime I've audited the panels for the parts needed, researching where to get them, and have several leads how to get the verbage onto the panels. The question I have is: Did any of the black boxes have push buttons mostly for test functions? Mini switches were easy to identify however there were a few items that looked like a head-on picture of a switch, is this possibly a mini push button switch? Concerning the canopy hold-open jacks, I have a contact in Minot who may have a set for the "A" model. The "B" model dimensions are the same with the exception of length. Waiting for feedback. A lot of communication between Lugnuts and I concerning the motorized canopy jack. He did some outstanding research getting answers from this brotherhood of "6" experts and tech orders. This is his baby and with any luck I'll be honored to assist him in getting the canopy jack electrically operational. Much background work is being accomplished. Thanks!
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Post by ma1marv on Apr 22, 2019 22:54:11 GMT 9
Something I never really thought about - the press test switches. I will do some research and see if I can identify them on the picture I sent you. I may also have the stock numbers available for each of those boxes. In time!! Marv
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Post by lugnuts55 on Jul 9, 2019 1:28:39 GMT 9
Hello everybody, I have a little information to let you know that we are progressing. It is at a snail's pace but still progressing. Frank Borchardt has been busy working on the face plates for the boxes that were found in the left radar bay. He loves doing these projects and his work leaves little to be desired. I have a picture but I'm having trouble posting it. I have sent it to Pat and asked him to post it here for me. I think you will be impressed.
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Post by pat perry on Jul 9, 2019 5:04:15 GMT 9
Hello everybody, I have a little information to let you know that we are progressing. It is at a snail's pace but still progressing. Frank Borchardt has been busy working on the face plates for the boxes that were found in the left radar bay. He loves doing these projects and his work leaves little to be desired. I have a picture but I'm having trouble posting it. I have sent it to Pat and asked him to post it here for me. I think you will be impressed. Here's the picture that Lugnuts55 (Mike) asked me to post. Thanks, Pat P.
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Post by fjborchardt on Jul 9, 2019 7:44:43 GMT 9
Frank here. This is an effort that involves some key people. Again, a huge thanks to MA1Marv who provided the picture that gave me all the information I needed to make these panels show the detail you see here. To this day Marv is offering his help in some areas I have in question. Thanks to Pat for directing the information to Lugnuts and to Lugnuts to get the info to me. I am truely blessed to be working amongst outgoing experts. Lastly my thanks to my wife, Beck, who puts up with my passion of making the best possible product for this aircraft. At least she knows where I drink. About the picture: You can click on the picture to get the full panel. This is a picture of one of the panels and it should give you a good idea of the detail and appearence of the panels located in the left fwd avionics compartment in the nose. I'm making just the front of the black boxes, no top and no sides or back. All the fronts will attach to the floor of it's respective compartment using one screw, washer and nut. The test points are hand made along with the guard over the bolt head and the I.D plate. All other parts are store bought or brought in from e-Bay. I have eight panels completed and about sixteen more to go. This is a fun project and I'm working with fun people. Thanks. .
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Post by lugnuts55 on Jul 27, 2020 1:02:40 GMT 9
I just learned of the passing of Dave Peltz. He owned the nose of the F-106 59-0164 in Milwaukee. I missed the viewing yesterday but I have some nice memories of time spent with him in the hangar. I am glad I got to know him. I will miss him.
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Post by MOW on Jul 27, 2020 4:28:16 GMT 9
I just learned of the passing of Dave Peltz. He owned the nose of the F-106 59-0164 in Milwaukee. I missed the viewing yesterday but I have some nice memories of time spent with him in the hangar. I am glad I got to know him. I will miss him.RIP Dave
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Post by fjborchardt on Jul 27, 2020 7:04:14 GMT 9
David Peltz had a personality as big as his dreams. His interest in avaition ranged from helicopter instructor pilot to being the sole owner of an F-106B airframe. From pitot tube to forward missile rails, Davids' dream was to make this a travelling museum display. Any contribution to his dream was met with high praise and the question "How did you do that?" David was a remarkable person who had more "irons in the fire" than one could keep track of. Having kids in college, remodeling a home, rebuilding a business and the trials and tribulations of everyday life, David always made time for a visit. David will be missed by those who knew him and there will always be a "missing man formation" among those who worked with him. His memories of a person who loved life, home, family and aircraft rests in a hanger at Timmerman Field. God bless David Peltz and his family.
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Post by Jim on Jul 27, 2020 10:50:50 GMT 9
David Peltz had a personality as big as his dreams. His interest in avaition ranged from helicopter instructor pilot to being the sole owner of an F-106B airframe. From pitot tube to forward missile rails, Davids' dream was to make this a travelling museum display. Any contribution to his dream was met with high praise and the question "How did you do that?" David was a remarkable person who had more "irons in the fire" than one could keep track of. Having kids in college, remodeling a home, rebuilding a business and the trials and tribulations of everyday life, David always made time for a visit. David will be missed by those who knew him and there will always be a "missing man formation" among those who worked with him. His memories of a person who loved life, home, family and aircraft rests in a hanger at Timmerman Field. God bless David Peltz and his family. We owe more than gratitude to David.........The Old Sarge
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Post by Jim on Aug 1, 2020 10:02:46 GMT 9
This from Frank about 59-0164 Jim:
Great to hear from you. You already know that David Peltz has passed. His love for the 106 and a promise to his mother drove him to work on the airframe whenever possible. Right now the only thing missing for instrumentation is 2 TSD's (in work) and 2 TACAN Control panels (not started). I have researched, drafted and had machined the most important piece of the nose gear: the lower drag link. This is the piece that prevents the gear from folding forward when sitting on the ground. It is the drag link that places a $1320. claim against this airframe no matter what its disposition. The TSD's, TACAN panels and the MA-1 Black boxes are presently uncommitted
The only family member I was familiar with was David, although I did meet his daughter (Sam) on a SKYPE session with him. How far the interest goes into the rest of the family is unknown. What will happen with the airframe is also unknown. During these tender times, I'm sure the sorting of affairs places the airframe at or near the bottom of the list. I need to make contact with Ms Peltz but it will be at least a month or so. Hopefully I can find out what solution they've reached for this airframe
The drag link is only for this airframe.(59-0164) unless you know of a display that is not on a post or can't stand up because of this one piece.
Jim, now that I have meandered all over the place using your question as a base, I let you know if I hear what the score is on the airframe.
Thanks for the note. I'l write as the facts come through. Cheers - Frank It appears that the machine shop that made the drag link has not been paid for their work....... Are there 13 among us that, should the need arrive, that would cough up 100.00 a piece to eliminate a lien against this display? Frank doesn't know what the disposition of this airframe is going to be.......He will keep us informed....Here is some of Franks' work......
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Post by MOW on Aug 1, 2020 12:06:39 GMT 9
I would gladly part with $100 if it would help in keep Daves project alive and if nothing else, make it a display item.
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Post by pat perry on Aug 1, 2020 22:54:52 GMT 9
I would gladly part with $100 if it would help in keep Daves project alive and if nothing else, make it a display item. Count me in for $100. Pat P.
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Post by pat perry on Aug 1, 2020 23:32:48 GMT 9
This from Frank about 59-0164 Jim:
Great to hear from you. You already know that David Peltz has passed. His love for the 106 and a promise to his mother drove him to work on the airframe whenever possible. Right now the only thing missing for instrumentation is 2 TSD's (in work) and 2 TACAN Control panels (not started). I have researched, drafted and had machined the most important piece of the nose gear: the lower drag link. This is the piece that prevents the gear from folding forward when sitting on the ground. It is the drag link that places a $1320. claim against this airframe no matter what its disposition. The TSD's, TACAN panels and the MA-1 Black boxes are presently uncommitted
The only family member I was familiar with was David, although I did meet his daughter (Sam) on a SKYPE session with him. How far the interest goes into the rest of the family is unknown. What will happen with the airframe is also unknown. During these tender times, I'm sure the sorting of affairs places the airframe at or near the bottom of the list. I need to make contact with Ms Peltz but it will be at least a month or so. Hopefully I can find out what solution they've reached for this airframe
The drag link is only for this airframe.(59-0164) unless you know of a display that is not on a post or can't stand up because of this one piece.
Jim, now that I have meandered all over the place using your question as a base, I let you know if I hear what the score is on the airframe.
Thanks for the note. I'l write as the facts come through. Cheers - Frank It appears that the machine shop that made the drag link has not been paid for their work....... Are there 13 among us that, should the need arrive, that would cough up 100.00 a piece to eliminate a lien against this display? Frank doesn't know what the disposition of this airframe is going to be.......He will keep us informed....Here is some of Franks' work...... Has this story about David Peltz project on 59-0164 been put on on the Convair F-106 Delta Dart Group FaceBook page? There are over 6,000 F-106 "fanatic" members who would consider a donation to the project completion. We need to know what David's family wants done with the display project, whether to be completed as Dave envisioned as a mobile display unit or perhaps donated to an Air Museum and restored for a permanent onsite display. Castle Air Museum could handle a project like this but they are half way across the country in Atwater, CA. What this story needs is publicity and perhaps a GoFundMe effort. But what is needed first is the approval of David's family. I hope David had a Will and executor who will distribute his remaining assets as he wished. Here is the story in pictures: www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/index.php?/search/424Thanks, Pat P.
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Post by Jim on Aug 2, 2020 10:18:10 GMT 9
Got a pledge of 100.00 from Col MRoss Shulmister, Patrick McGee and myself......Perhaps David's mother might have an interest in seeing his dreams come true, no matter where it ends up..........
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Post by Jim on Aug 2, 2020 10:24:35 GMT 9
Got a pledge of 100.00 from Col MRoss Shulmister, Patrick McGee and myself......Perhaps David's mother might have an interest in seeing his dreams come true, no matter where it ends up..........
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Post by fjborchardt on Aug 27, 2020 12:16:44 GMT 9
Frank here. I've drafted a letter to Ms Peltz and had edited it about a million times. Not the easiest letter to write seeing that I never met the lady and want to respect the issue of time. I plan on sending it to her the Monday after next and will post a word-for-word copy on this forum. Hopefully I'll get a timely reply, but than again... I'm working on the David Peltz/59-0164 story and hope to have something soon. Thanks folks. - Frank
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