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Post by Mark O on Apr 10, 2016 7:24:54 GMT 9
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Post by pat perry on Apr 10, 2016 8:00:24 GMT 9
I just sent an email to Dave Peltz to give us an update.
Pat P.
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Post by Jim on Apr 10, 2016 9:31:59 GMT 9
I just sent an email to Dave Peltz to give us an update.
Pat P.
So did I, and one to Lindel and lugnutts
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Post by Jim on Apr 10, 2016 12:35:05 GMT 9
I just sent an email to Dave Peltz to give us an update.
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So did I, and one to Lindel and lugnutts Got this reply from lugnutts: Hello Jim,
You have raised a very good question here. I will have to see if I can find out anything. The thing we have to keep in mind is that Dave is not a retired person. He has opened a new business having to do with self defense and martial arts. At least that was the way I understood it. I know he just stays busy but I don't know what else he does. He said he wanted to meet me for coffee sometime again but he never called to let me know when. He said I should expect a call in a couple weeks. That was months ago.
Likewise, I have no idea if he has been to the hangar and if so, what he has done. His welder friend moved to Arizona so the frame that was going to be welded onto the back end is not yet attached. I was out there, geez Jim, I don't remember when it was. I want to think it was in 2015 but I can't be sure about that. So much has happened since I got out of the hospital a year ago. It was almost like I was robbed of the full 12 months because the first several months of the year were in the hospital. The time since then has flown by.
There is another guy who is very talented when it comes to making things for the "six" in the hangar. He made a scope for the front cockpit with a greenish plastic lens that looks real. He built the housing and hood and he brought it from Rochester, MN where he lives, and it dropped right in. He got the dimensions from a 1:48 scale model F-106 and somehow figured out how big it should be. He was right. He has one Falcon missile built in his garage. He used PVC pipe and plywood. The pictures he sent are amazing. It looks like a real missile. His name is Frank Borchardt. He has appeared on the 106 web site so you might recognize the name. He and I talk via email occasionally. We have both sent email to Dave Peltz, the owner, but neither of us has heard back in a while. I was thinking about trying again to reach Dave just today. I still might do that tonight yet.
I wish I had some news for you and the rest of the guys on the web site, Jim, but I don't. There is very little I would be able to do anymore except to cheer the younger folks on as they work and maybe snap a few pictures. Believe me, I would be there if I heard from Dave. He has the keys and I have no reason to go there when he is not there. I will try to get in touch with Dave again and hopefully he will answer and give me some info. I am just as curious as you are and the rest of the guys, too.
I'll be in touch and thanks for asking about this. It's good to hear from you. Mike
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Post by Jim on Apr 11, 2016 4:07:16 GMT 9
UPDATE!!!!!!!Hi again Jim, Dave is the owner and he has replied to my email. I am going to meet him for coffee in about an hour. He will give me a complete update and I will then be able to let you know how things are progressing. Mike
-----Original Message----- From: JimG. <irishaf1952@q.com> To: Lugnuts55 Sent: Sun, Apr 10, 2016 1:10 pm Subject: Status
Thanks Mike for the info.... Have posted your reply on the forum for all to see. Every job needs a good supervisor, working or otherwise... Who actually bought the airplane? Dave or an interested group? You can only make yourself available, and wait to be called...... Let us know if you hear anything... The Old Sarge... BTW take care of that back and don't do anything foolish.....
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Post by lugnuts55 on Apr 11, 2016 12:22:56 GMT 9
Hello everyone, I met Dave and had lunch with him this afternoon. It was a pleasant couple of hours. Dave is an interesting guy. I was mistaken about what his business is about but not too far off. He told me the name of it and I have forgotten it. I will find out and post the web site here. It has to do with sports. That takes up a lot of his time. Also, his oldest son is involved in college baseball and Dave follows him around to attend the games. He has two daughters as well and they are both athletic and have received scholarships to college.
I also said his friend moved to Arizona but it is Colorado. Dave said he needs to get his friend to put together a week to come back to Milwaukee to do the welding needed. That is a crucial part of the whole project. Once that is done, then things should start happening.
Dave has thought this whole project through and has some very good ideas on how to make things work the way he wants them. He knows what kind of trailer he needs to have built and how the bird will be transported.
It was great to talk with him again. As soon as some things are straightened out in his personal life, he will be able to spend a little more time on this project. That is what he is hoping for. I hope this gives a reason why it is taking such a long time to do this project. I believe it will come to be. It will just take a while. Thanks for thinking about this and asking about it. It gave us a good opportunity to get together again. Once the warm weather comes back, we will be back to the hangar. Mike
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Post by LBer1568 on Apr 12, 2016 22:58:24 GMT 9
I had almost forgotten about this project. As I remember they are mounting cockpit and trying to make several things operational like cockpit. I wonder if as they start they could post pictures? Is the owner a member? Anyone who tries to save a part of history is to be thanked...so thanks and let us know how it is progressing. Lorin
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Post by pat perry on Apr 13, 2016 0:32:31 GMT 9
Hello everyone, I met Dave and had lunch with him this afternoon. It was a pleasant couple of hours. Dave is an interesting guy. I was mistaken about what his business is about but not too far off. He told me the name of it and I have forgotten it. I will find out and post the web site here. It has to do with sports. That takes up a lot of his time. Also, his oldest son is involved in college baseball and Dave follows him around to attend the games. He has two daughters as well and they are both athletic and have received scholarships to college.
I also said his friend moved to Arizona but it is Colorado. Dave said he needs to get his friend to put together a week to come back to Milwaukee to do the welding needed. That is a crucial part of the whole project. Once that is done, then things should start happening.
Dave has thought this whole project through and has some very good ideas on how to make things work the way he wants them. He knows what kind of trailer he needs to have built and how the bird will be transported.
It was great to talk with him again. As soon as some things are straightened out in his personal life, he will be able to spend a little more time on this project. That is what he is hoping for. I hope this gives a reason why it is taking such a long time to do this project. I believe it will come to be. It will just take a while. Thanks for thinking about this and asking about it. It gave us a good opportunity to get together again. Once the warm weather comes back, we will be back to the hangar. Mike
Great report Mike! Dave started this project back in Mar 2012 and it was a huge undertaking in engineering, fabrication and money. Thanks to guys like you and Lindel and the guys on this Forum, Dave has a lot of inspiration and information. I have a 2600 page 1F-106A-4 Illustrated Parts Breakdown to scan that may help him. It will take about 48-50 hours to scan without interruptions from my other volunteer jobs. Or, FedEx Office will scan it for $750.
With 3 kids in college and sports, I can see where Dave doesn't have a lot of time (or money) to devote to this project right now. This project could easily take 3 people 9-12 months working pretty much full time.
I'm glad you and Lindel have been able to be onsite when Dave is available. You have had your health challenges to work through and Lindel lost his Mom and his job continues to consume more of his time than ever due to lack of employer back filling open slots.
Thanks again for the report!
Pat P
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Post by lugnuts55 on Apr 13, 2016 11:41:11 GMT 9
Pat, I don't think Dave would need 2600 pages since the manual must cover the entire airplane. We only have everything from just behind the rear cockpit forward. This includes the forward half of the missile bay. So that should bring it down to around 1300 pages. I know Dave has a couple manuals but I don't remember which ones. He has gotten a ton of info from those. I will pass along to Dave the fact that you have this manual and if he needs something that you can help find, he should give you a holler. Thanks for offering, Mike
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Post by MOW on Apr 18, 2016 7:59:57 GMT 9
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Post by lugnuts55 on Oct 11, 2016 7:53:40 GMT 9
October 22, 2016: Tentative date for going to the 106 hangar. One of the team members, Frank Borchart, is coming down from Rochester, MN. Frank is making things to fill in the empty spaces, primarily in the cockpit. He has a talent for making the faces of the instruments and he makes a little box to fit into the opening. It looks like the real thing. He made a scope for the front cockpit that looks real but he made the body of it from PVC pipe and put lightweight wood sticks around it. He made the face plate and I swear it looks like the real thing! He is also working on making an AIM-4 to hang on the rack. He was a weapons guy on active duty. I will take my camera and try to get some new shots for the web site. It is always good to get together with Dave and Frank. I'll post more after we meet.
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Post by MOW on Oct 11, 2016 13:58:39 GMT 9
October 22, 2016: Tentative date for going to the 106 hangar. One of the team members, Frank Borchart, is coming down from Rochester, MN. Frank is making things to fill in the empty spaces, primarily in the cockpit. He has a talent for making the faces of the instruments and he makes a little box to fit into the opening. It looks like the real thing. He made a scope for the front cockpit that looks real but he made the body of it from PVC pipe and put lightweight wood sticks around it. He made the face plate and I swear it looks like the real thing! He is also working on making an AIM-4 to hang on the rack. He was a weapons guy on active duty. I will take my camera and try to get some new shots for the web site. It is always good to get together with Dave and Frank. I'll post more after we meet. Nice Mike, I added this to the photo gallery narrative.
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Post by lugnuts55 on Oct 23, 2016 12:52:34 GMT 9
Today is October 22, 2016. I met with Dave Peltz, owner of cockpits to 59-0164 in Milwaukee, and Frank Borchardt from Rochester MN. It was a great four hours spent talking about the latest and seeing the latest from Frank. Frank has been busy. He made instrument faces for 12 instruments. They look authentic to me, even though I know they are just the faces put on tubes to make them look real. He also made another scope for the back seat. PVC pipe sure is a versatile commodity. Besides being used for water, it can be used to simulate almost anything round and it comes in numerous sizes. I think Frank should buy stock in it, unless he did already. He also had a mounting tray for the TSD to sit in. Dave had one and he sent it to Frank who then ran with the ball and got an almost exact duplicate made. If they were both painted, the new one could not be distinguished from the original. Dave had the nose tires filled with a foam so they stay "inflated". We won't be towing these cockpits around on the nose gear so it doesn't matter. They each weigh a lot more than before! We discussed ideas that Dave has and things he has been wondering about. Things like where to attach the feet that will be at the rear supporting that end of the cockpits. We had a great discussion about that and other things. Dave has been giving this project a lot of thought and that's a good thing. He has a plan for the way it will go together. I asked him if he had any of these plans written down anywhere. He said no as he pointed to his head. We will probably get together again in late winter or early spring, but I told Dave to let me know if he is going to the hangar before that if there is anything I can do. I am limited to the ground floor and it's better if I can work at a table or bench. He did give me some more boxes from the consoles to clean up and there are still some that he hasn't pulled out yet. I would like to go there when his friend comes up from Colorado to finish welding the rear framework together. Once that has been welded together and holes drilled for bolts and finally attaching it to the rear of the cockpits, things should move a little quicker than they have been now. The feet will be sand shoes like a semi trailer uses to support the front when it is disconnected from the tractor. The legs will likely be drop-down and pinned in a few places to support the rear. The front will be supported by the nose gear but not on the tires. A block of wood will be set under the bottom of the gear to support that. It will also serve to help it be more stable when people and children are climbing into and out of the cockpits. The trailer will have to be rebuilt to resemble a boat trailer and it will function like one except that it won't go into the water. These and other things were discussed and it's nice to be a part of the team to be in on the discussions. This is an exciting project for all of us and we are anxious to progress but not until ready. Dave has a multitude of other things he is working on around the house and at work. He has a number of other personal family things he is working on so he is a very busy person. In my experience, it is the busy person who gets things done. I have no doubt that will hold true in his case. I have some pictures but I don't remember how to post them or where MOW wants them to go. I will send them to him and he can put them where they need to be. Frank could use some detailed pictures of the avionics bays so he can make some boxes with the appropriate markings on them. If anybody has any or knows where there might be some, please let me know and I will get them to him. That is the very latest information on this project. If anything else comes along, I will do my best to keep you all up to date. I know you are interested in seeing this be completed as we are. Mike
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Post by MOW on Oct 23, 2016 20:31:32 GMT 9
Great update Mike! I sent you an email about the photos. Send them as-is to me via email, but also some basic guidelines on uploading them.
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Post by lugnuts55 on Oct 25, 2016 13:25:36 GMT 9
All the photos are uploaded on the other web site. MOW helped me get them uploaded. All comments are there, too. There is a picture there that I need some help getting a part. I don't seem to be able to put that picture here. It is the only black & white photo. It is photo number 0159. It is the rear cockpit scope with the cover panels for the instrument panel. We don't have those and it seems to be the only way to mount the scope. I don't know anything about that and I am unable to get up into the cockpit to look for myself. Any help will be appreciated. Please contact me if you have any information on them. Enjoy the pictures.
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Post by MOW on Oct 25, 2016 14:30:33 GMT 9
All the photos are uploaded on the other web site. MOW helped me get them uploaded. All comments are there, too. There is a picture there that I need some help getting a part. I don't seem to be able to put that picture here. It is the only black & white photo. It is photo number 0159. It is the rear cockpit scope with the cover panels for the instrument panel. We don't have those and it seems to be the only way to mount the scope. I don't know anything about that and I am unable to get up into the cockpit to look for myself. Any help will be appreciated. Please contact me if you have any information on them. Enjoy the pictures. All have been moved to the 59-0164 folder www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/index.php?/category/379 Great update Mike!
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Post by lugnuts55 on Feb 19, 2017 2:02:02 GMT 9
Hello everybody! This is not an update, but rather a request for help. Frank Borchardt has made scopes for each cockpit. The front mounts nicely but the rear mounts differently because it is mounted in the canopy. Does anyone have pictures of how it is mounted? The canopy has the crossmember but if there is a mount that attaches to it, it is not there. Also, the panels on either side of the rear scope are missing and any information about that would be helpful as well. I think those side panels have something to do with the mounting of the rear scope as in support for the other end of it. Any information or pictures will be greatly appreciated.
There has not been any activity in the last few months since the hangar is not heated. I have a few boxes from one of the consoles that I will be cleaning up. Frank was in town a few weeks ago to take some pictures of the nose gear and a few other things. There is a piece missing from the nose gear. It's the piece that locks it in the extended position. I think it is called the drag link. That is all that's happened here in Milwaukee.
If you have any information, you can either reply here or send me an email at lugnuts55@aol.com. Thanks gentlemen, Mike
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Post by pat perry on Feb 22, 2017 8:08:05 GMT 9
Hello everybody! This is not an update, but rather a request for help. Frank Borchardt has made scopes for each cockpit. The front mounts nicely but the rear mounts differently because it is mounted in the canopy. Does anyone have pictures of how it is mounted? The canopy has the crossmember but if there is a mount that attaches to it, it is not there. Also, the panels on either side of the rear scope are missing and any information about that would be helpful as well. I think those side panels have something to do with the mounting of the rear scope as in support for the other end of it. Any information or pictures will be greatly appreciated.
There has not been any activity in the last few months since the hangar is not heated. I have a few boxes from one of the consoles that I will be cleaning up. Frank was in town a few weeks ago to take some pictures of the nose gear and a few other things. There is a piece missing from the nose gear. It's the piece that locks it in the extended position. I think it is called the drag link. That is all that's happened here in Milwaukee.
If you have any information, you can either reply here or send me an email at lugnuts55@aol.com. Thanks gentlemen, Mike
Hey Mike,
www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/index.php?/search/227
There are 2 pages there and several B Model cockpit rear seat pics.
Here's a page I left you on FaceBook www.f-106deltadart.com/cockpit.htm
Plus this picture Pat P
free image hosting
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Post by fjborchardt on Jan 5, 2018 11:11:01 GMT 9
To All: There has been invisible progress on 59-0164 at Timmerman Field. Most of the work has been supporting type as the aircraft is in Milwaukee and I'm in Rochester MN. Instruments have been made, two scopes have been fabricated and the TSD is being worked on. 0164 had only one TSD tray and Dave was kind enough to send it to me so I could make a duplicate. This required a special brake because of the complexity of the bends needed. With the exception of the mounting "ears" the tray is one piece and is identical. We've been on the hunt for the lower drag brace for the nose gear for over two years and have not had success. I have the nose gear drag strut assembly tech order (T.O. 4S2-40-14) that showed how this whole thing went together. Bonus: It's an IPB also (valuable information for making small parts) The brace is about seventeen inches long and connects the upper drag brace to the nose gear truss. It keeps the nose gear from folding forward (sorta important.) Dave was gracious enough to let me have the upper drag brace (what a pain to remove) so I could get exact measurements. What makes this complicated is the internal working that locks the brace is the extended position and provides for the ground lock as a backup safety. I have fabricated a brace using pictures and measurements from other (gear down) displays. Once check fitted, this piece will be machined from 7075-T6 aluminum billet. Many thanks to Jim at PCAM in his help with pictures and last minute questions. (Glad the scope fits) Dave shelled out some bucks for the T.O. 1F-106B-4. When we met last, I asked if I could borrow it. It took about a week to scan all 2946 pages onto a memory stick. Seeing the -4 covers the whole aircraft and Dave has only the front half, I made a second set of the tech orders that covers only the systems he has (pitot tube to aft of the forward missile bay). From that I gave Dave and Mike complete information of the systems Dave wants operational. I call them "bathroom readers". We're questioning the operation of the bay doors. I found a tech order (T.O 9P2-3-29-23) that covers the center cylinder (operationally the same as forward cylinders) and made copies of the complete five page IPB and testing procedures. My big caution: Don't try this at home. Work on the AIM4 is at a halt until we get the doors open and the rails down. I have a complete armament systems tech order (T.O. 1F-106A-2-12) so prepping the aircraft for a missile test fit can be done safely. Like I said, there's been a bunch of invisible work done in support of the aircraft, but I'm not alone. I'm just one team member and without Dave and Mike, this progress would not be possible. Hopefully when it gets warmer (like about 70 degree) we can get back together, have a tailgate lunch, an adult beverage, exchange lies about our health and do some work on this bird. I'll try to post some pictures but this is my first time so, be gentle. Drop a line if there's questions. Cheers - Frank
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Post by fjborchardt on Jan 5, 2018 11:19:18 GMT 9
I forgot to mention, Mikes post reminded me, I do have a mount for the rear scope figured out. Once again, it's all up to a check fit before making it out of metal. I'm done. My thanks to Dave and Mike for putting up with my short notice visits and the time they give me.
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