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Post by MOW on Apr 4, 2012 14:20:15 GMT 9
Dave sent these F-4 photos as an example of what they hope to accomplish Attachments:
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Post by MOW on Apr 4, 2012 14:23:46 GMT 9
And this one Attachments:
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Apr 4, 2012 22:20:25 GMT 9
On the big satellite antennas we used Linear Actuators to move the antenna from one satellite to another. The first ones were 12VDC and then went 36VDC, with the 36 volt we could use smaller wire and the power supply could be smaller. They come equipped with adjustable limit switches.
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Post by dave0164 on Apr 4, 2012 23:00:55 GMT 9
Can anybody tell me what is in picture #26/27/28 and #29/30? I found these in the right side avionics bay along with what's pictured in #20.
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Post by ma1marv on Apr 5, 2012 0:30:55 GMT 9
Ok - here goes! Pic#18 - 20 this is part of the Armament test features, was mounted in the Right Main Wheel well. It showed us (MA-1 Technicians) a duplicate readout of some of the parameters that we would see on another armament test box.
Pic# 26-30 This is the computer bay with the computer rack still installed. Power plugs for the computer and both digital and analog signals were available through several of those connecting plugs.
Pic#26 - The main IFF interrogator unit was placed here.
Pic#31 - The fuel inlet connection point
Pic#33-37 - This is a wing mounting stud. There would be a tapered steel pin going through that with a matching set of fingers on the wing.
#7 - This is the Emergency Canopy release. Inside would have been a steel pull ring with about 6-8 foot of cable. When pulled it actuated the canopy eject rocket motor.
#8 - This is the Air Conditioning inlet for ground power operation
#9, 10 - This is the ground power inlet for the ground power connection and operation. Early version had a monster rectangular plug with a pull and lock pin mechanism and a locking handle. Last version only had a MD-3, 28volt, type of hookup plug installed for ground power operation. I would say this unit had the MD-3 plug installed because of the Power upgrade units that wold have been installed.
#11 - This is the canopy lock/unlock handle. The switch is used to raise the canopy after unlocking the canopy with the lock handle. I think you pulled the lock handle outwards then turned it 1/2 turn. Then the electric switch could be used to elevate the canopy or lower it depending on direction you moved the switch.
This is a good find! Once you unlock the canopy - you should be able to slide (with some effort!) a thin screwdriver of prybar under the canopy edge. If you work on both sides, you can get the canopy open but you might need a overhead crane to help pick it up. It is heavy! Make sure you have something in the canopy support holes after you get it up to hold it there. If you look at some of the aircraft pics on Pats World - you can see where the support would go. Best to use TWO supports!!!
OK - best I can do for now - I'm sure some of the crew chiefs can help more on some of the canopy pictures and wing mounts. I was an MA-1 Avionics guy but we still got involved with just about everything on this aircraft!
MArv :fire_missle_ani :patriotic-flagwaver
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Apr 5, 2012 0:34:05 GMT 9
The Black box was located in rh mww and was an armament test box. It should have 464596-XXX number on it. The sliver item was static pressure probe and was mounted to rt side of the nww, good thing to hit your head on and leave a nice ring.
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Post by dave0164 on Apr 5, 2012 2:11:00 GMT 9
For some reason my picture numbers don't match up, but I can correlate what you are telling me. Don't know why these things were left in the bay, but no complaints. As you can see, there is a fine layer of southwest sand covering everything.
The canopy external locking handle does work and I was able (with help) to raise the canopy about 10 inches. Dang, that thing is heavy! What does the canopy weigh, 300 lbs? Somewhere along the line someone disconnected the canopy actuator piston(?) so right now it is moveable dead weight. Any idea on size and length of the canopy support braces that were used as a safety measure? It would be great to find a set of those for the project, otherwise we can mock them up if I know size and dimension.
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Post by dave0164 on Apr 5, 2012 4:00:39 GMT 9
Here's a question for the old sarge: In reference to marv's descriptions, pic#33-37 was identified as a wing mounting stud. Would this stud be able to bear any weight with regard to a rear jig support? If so, we could incorporate it into the jig design to help spread the load over the entire spar. Just a thought.
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Apr 5, 2012 4:39:14 GMT 9
The length of the canopy jack. The folks in Texas that have aircraft for sale could probably give you the answer and they might have a spare. That is on this site somewhere. I am guessing between 4' and 5'. Go to buy sell or trade and under that is F106 for sale And the contact info is there.
Bear
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Post by Jim on Apr 5, 2012 5:28:36 GMT 9
Here's a question for the old sarge: In reference to marv's descriptions, pic#33-37 was identified as a wing mounting stud. Would this stud be able to bear any weight with regard to a rear jig support? If so, we could incorporate it into the jig design to help spread the load over the entire spar. Just a thought. Dave, that support was designed to anchor the front portion of the wing solidily to the fuselage, not a weight support. I would say yes it can be incorporated, but would strongly recommend something like I suggested in an earlier post. I noticed the F-4 display jig looks like it is made from wood- 4x4. Suggest you consider 3" channel iron..... Once again, I would want the face of that lug to fully contact the face of the jig-using a spacer as necessary. A substitute spacer wood would be teak, or maple...... Sure is amazing how much a couple of MA-1 weeeeeennnnniiieeeessss know about the the structure and functions of the a/c not related to the MA-1... In the early days of the a/c, we were lucky if we could get one of them guys to even help push a power unit around, but then this was in the days of propay...... As for your canopy support jacks, they were adjustable and had a notch in the upper pad that fit over a lug on the canopy frame and a lug on the bottom that fit in the hole on the canopy sill.. They were different for the B model.... Manually raise the canopy to max and use a 2x4 to prop it up. Should be space between front of seat and stick well for it to set on the floor. The front canopy bow can rest right on top of the 2x4.... Suggest that a sling be devised to remove the canopy- I think the AF sling had a spreader bar at the front to support the load.......... Bears suggestion sounds great because they were willing to part the stuff out...... The Old Sarge Look in F-106s for sale.......... www.f-106deltadart.com/westernair_f-106_sale_pkg.htm
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Post by dave0164 on Apr 5, 2012 5:48:02 GMT 9
Jim, I agree with your assessment. We were thinking of 4" channel aluminum or 2" thick x 8" wide solid aluminum billet. The F4 rig was just to give an idea of concept. We would use welded aluminum/steel to make the overall jig frame and contact points. Using the top cross bar, bottom crossbar, and the two wing attcah points with a butruss design, we should be able to spread the load over a wider area wouldn't you think? Is there another forward spar that we could tie into as well? I didn't see anything close, but I'm not familiar with the design.
I'll try and contact the folks in texas about some parts, maybe we'll get lucky. And I wouldn't sell your knowledge short - remember, if you are the only one in the room that knows something, you are the expert!
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Post by MOW on Apr 5, 2012 7:37:21 GMT 9
I modified the names of a couple photos in the gallery to match the schema of the latest ones I added. Anyone who adds more photos please try and use the same schema:
DATE (yyy-mm-dd) AIRCRAFT NUMBER (always 590164) PHOTOGRAPHER NAME (or forums user name)-SEQUENCE NUMBER.
i.e. 2012-04-03 590164 DavePeltz-45
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Apr 5, 2012 9:21:19 GMT 9
Jim In the 60's there were enough CC around we didn't have to know alot anything but MA-1, then the CC that knew how to fix things started leaving so us ma-1 types had to do more with less people, so we got more involved. I ran Flight line expediter truck for almost a year and if you don't learn something doing that. Worst thing that remember was defueling drop tanks, CC and fuel said they were empty, when they unlocked the rack the nose of the tank hit the ground because of all fuel still and the 3 guys on the front couldn't hold it up.
Dave if you get a hold of the folks in Texas ask if they have any T.O.'s that could be gotten or borrow.
Bear
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Post by dave0164 on Apr 5, 2012 10:16:45 GMT 9
Bear, will do.
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Post by ma1marv on Apr 5, 2012 13:05:22 GMT 9
Dave - as an Avionics "Weenie" otherwise known as an MA-1 troop for the F-106, I actually had a run-up and taxi liscense for the Six! I only used it a couple of times. Turned it all in when I went to the tech school to become an instructor!
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Post by dave0164 on Apr 5, 2012 21:18:52 GMT 9
Marv, that would be a tough liscense to give up. I think they would have had to take mine at gunpoint.
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Apr 6, 2012 9:53:36 GMT 9
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Post by dave0164 on Apr 6, 2012 11:38:23 GMT 9
Thanks Bear, I'll check it out.
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Post by MOW on Apr 7, 2012 14:28:15 GMT 9
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Apr 7, 2012 23:22:30 GMT 9
Dave Looking at all the photes of the doors and clyinders there don't appear to an access from the outside. The new photes are great.
#9 Jacking pad #10 UHF antenna #11 IFF Antenna #12 ADF antenna #18 UHF and TACAN compartment
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