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Post by ma1marv on Apr 15, 2016 5:14:51 GMT 9
Well good afternoon to ALL of you MA-1 - Nose pickers - load toads - throttle jockies - hydrastics troops - AND most of all FRIENDS!!!! First - it is with a sad heart that I inform all of you that I lost a very important person in my life. My older brother -Larry - passed away on the 31st of March. He had been getting worse for the last couple of months - even had a heart attack in late Feb that put him in the hospital for a few days. Now - he does not have to worry any more - no pain -no suffering - and better yet - no taxes to worry about! Diane and I went to his home in Beedeville Arkansas and helped his youngest step-daughter get things settled. The clean up of his mobile home took several days and things just plain got removed and thrown out. I did come back with some mementos of his life and family and about 60 pounds of arrow heads! He was an avid arrow head collector! I am back home in Nebraska now and I still am not totally over the fact that he is gone. Second - Diane and I have been working on our home - we removed two closets in the main bedroom and have build a new wall for a walk-in closet! It is coming along nicely - Diane is a pretty good painter and really did a great job with taping the dry wall joints! I have some trim to finish and install and we should be almost done! Right now you could write your name on most any flat surface -DUST!!!! HAve a great day out there! MArv
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Post by Mark O on Apr 15, 2016 5:18:30 GMT 9
Thanks for the update MArv. I lost my big brother when he was way too young. Sounds like you're hanging in there, and that's all we can do. Mark O
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Post by Gene on Apr 15, 2016 5:50:43 GMT 9
my condolences... hard to loose those that you love... but somehow the pain deadens with time... again, sorry to hear of your loss. and that's from a load toad from way back... we were called "ramp rats" because it was our duty section, 'ramp service' at the aerial port... as depicted on my new avatar...
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Post by Jim on Apr 15, 2016 8:32:38 GMT 9
my condolences... hard to loose those that you love... but somehow the pain deadens with time... again, sorry to hear of your loss. and that's from a load toad from way back... we were called "ramp rats" because it was our duty section, 'ramp service' at the aerial port... as depicted on my new avatar... Gene, the load toads MArv referred to were the weapons loaders, by AFSC and augmentees.
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Post by Jim on Apr 15, 2016 8:37:00 GMT 9
Well good afternoon to ALL of you MA-1 - Nose pickers - load toads - throttle jockies - hydrastics troops - AND most of all FRIENDS!!!! First - it is with a sad heart that I inform all of you that I lost a very important person in my life. My older brother -Larry - passed away on the 31st of March. He had been getting worse for the last couple of months - even had a heart attack in late Feb that put him in the hospital for a few days. Now - he does not have to worry any more - no pain -no suffering - and better yet - no taxes to worry about! Diane and I went to his home in Beedeville Arkansas and helped his youngest step-daughter get things settled. The clean up of his mobile home took several days and things just plain got removed and thrown out. I did come back with some mementos of his life and family and about 60 pounds of arrow heads! He was an avid arrow head collector! I am back home in Nebraska now and I still am not totally over the fact that he is gone. Second - Diane and I have been working on our home - we removed two closets in the main bedroom and have build a new wall for a walk-in closet! It is coming along nicely - Diane is a pretty good painter and really did a great job with taping the dry wall joints! I have some trim to finish and install and we should be almost done! Right now you could write your name on most any flat surface -DUST!!!! HAve a great day out there! MArv Prayers be with you my friend........... Be sure to reward that lady of yours.......The Old Sarge and Sandy
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Post by pat perry on Apr 15, 2016 11:36:52 GMT 9
Condolences Marv. It's tough to lose a family member. Remember the good times you had with him.
Pat P.
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Post by LBer1568 on Apr 16, 2016 2:33:02 GMT 9
Sorry for your loss Marv and best wishes for your family.
I fall into the ex-MA-1 group. I am blessed to still have both of my brothers. Older bro is 73 and younger is 63. I don't see my younger brother often, he lives in Dallas now, but has purchased a home in Mexico, on Cozumel Island. I do spend a great deal of time with my older brother. He lives just south of Columbus. Lorin
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Post by Bullhunter on May 20, 2016 1:58:44 GMT 9
Bad news. Brother-in-law (my wife's younger brother) is very ill. Its Cancer in his lung, liver, and kidney. He was exposed to agent orange as a U.S. Marine. Doctors give him one to two years if that. They are starting treatments and have a few surgeries scheduled.
Belinda wants to go back and visit, but she has a knee replacement scheduled for the 29th and can't put that off, she is in too much pain.
Prayers are welcomed.
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Post by Gene on May 20, 2016 4:20:59 GMT 9
prayers on the outbound
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Post by Bullhunter on May 20, 2016 6:06:06 GMT 9
The news on my brother-in-law is bad. Cancer is terminal. Its in his lung, spot on liver, & one kidney. Can't do much with the lung, surgery might remover the spot on the liver, and they likely will take that kidney out. Doctors say its one to two years at best and with treatment maybe extend to three years. Quality of life likely pretty bad. He was a U.S. Marine exposed to agent orange & he is only 52 years old. Same thing with my cousin a Marine exposed to agent orange and died in his early 50's. This is hitting Belinda pretty bad so prayers for all are requested. Thanks.
No matter how bad we think we have it, others have it worse.
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Post by Mark O on May 21, 2016 6:23:31 GMT 9
The news on my brother-in-law is bad. Cancer is terminal. Its in his lung, spot on liver, & one kidney. Can't do much with the lung, surgery might remover the spot on the liver, and they likely will take that kidney out. Doctors say its one to two years at best and with treatment maybe extend to three years. Quality of life likely pretty bad. He was a U.S. Marine exposed to agent orange & he is only 52 years old. Same thing with my cousin a Marine exposed to agent orange and died in his early 50's. This is hitting Belinda pretty bad so prayers for all are requested. Thanks. No matter how bad we think we have it, others have it worse. Sorry to hear that Gary. I have a question though. A USMC veteran exposed to Agent Orange, and only 52? I'm 52. How in the world? The last guys exposed to AO were reserve C-123 crews in the 70s from the "hand-me-down" planes that were flown over in Vietnam during Operation Ranch Hand. The C-123 was retired in 1980 (to the best of my knowledge.) Guys that are 52 now were 18 in 1982. What did he do in the USMC that late that got him exposed to Agent Orange? Mark O
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Post by Jim on May 21, 2016 7:07:01 GMT 9
The news on my brother-in-law is bad. Cancer is terminal. Its in his lung, spot on liver, & one kidney. Can't do much with the lung, surgery might remover the spot on the liver, and they likely will take that kidney out. Doctors say its one to two years at best and with treatment maybe extend to three years. Quality of life likely pretty bad. He was a U.S. Marine exposed to agent orange & he is only 52 years old. Same thing with my cousin a Marine exposed to agent orange and died in his early 50's. This is hitting Belinda pretty bad so prayers for all are requested. Thanks. No matter how bad we think we have it, others have it worse. Sorry to hear that Gary. I have a question though. A USMC veteran exposed to Agent Orange, and only 52? I'm 52. How in the world? The last guys exposed to AO were reserve C-123 crews in the 70s from the "hand-me-down" planes that were flown over in Vietnam during Operation Ranch Hand. The C-123 was retired in 1980 (to the best of my knowledge.) Guys that are 52 now were 18 in 1982. What did he do in the USMC that late that got him exposed to Agent Orange? Mark O Mark, the DOD was burying that stuff all over the world well into the 80s..... They have proven that it was used at OSAN to clear a perimeter defense zone around the base. And I have seen the DOD and DAF memos and papers on this. This stuff has been discovered up around the Korean DMZ. Who is to say it wasn't used in country here?? www.jonmitchellinjapan.com/agent-orange-on-okinawa.html
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Post by Mark O on May 21, 2016 11:38:55 GMT 9
Mark, the DOD was burying that stuff all over the world well into the 80s..... They have proven that it was used at OSAN to clear a perimeter defense zone around the base. And I have seen the DOD and DAF memos and papers on this. This stuff has been discovered up around the Korean DMZ. Who is to say it wasn't used in country here?? www.jonmitchellinjapan.com/agent-orange-on-okinawa.htmlThanks Jim. Interesting. I'm not going to speculate, but I do recall hearing about the buried barrels. Just a damn shame. Mark O
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Post by Bullhunter on May 21, 2016 13:05:36 GMT 9
He guarded the VC POW's in Guam and in Okawania. Those two places are on the list of sites. heck, I was at Chanute AFB, IL in the fall of 1971. Chanute is also on the list with dates 1970-1985. crap was used all over.
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Post by Mark O on May 21, 2016 14:17:04 GMT 9
He guarded the VC POW's in Guam and in Okawania. Those two places are on the list of sites. heck, I was at Chanute AFB, IL in the fall of 1971. Chanute is also on the list with dates 1970-1985. crap was used all over. When did he serve? VC POWs in Guam & Okinawa when? In the 80s? Sorry Gary, but my WTF flag is flying high here. I'm not making anything less of the fact that he has cancer, and I truly feel bad for Belinda for this, but Agent Orange, and Viet Cong prisoners in Okinawa in the early-mid 80s? Not buying it. Mark O
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Post by Bullhunter on May 21, 2016 19:20:49 GMT 9
Mark, I just asked Belinda how old her younger brother is. I guess I got the year wrong. He is 59 years old. War ended in 73 and who knows how long the POW exchanges took.
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Post by Jim on May 21, 2016 22:14:44 GMT 9
Mark, I just asked Belinda how old her younger brother is. I guess I got the year wrong. He is 59 years old. War ended in 73 and who knows how long the POW exchanges took. Seven years will make a difference
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Post by LBer1568 on May 21, 2016 23:51:35 GMT 9
Gary, prayers going out for your brother in law. It's got to be hard on both you and Belinda.
We all know that Agent Orange has been proven to cause numerous bad illnesses including cancer and heart disease among many others.
According to all the research I have seen regarding Agent Orange and Viet Nam show that the last time it was used there was 1971. Korea was earlier and about 1968-1970. Several individuals claim that Agent Orange was used at Chanute, but No factual analysis has detected it.
"On October 16, 2013, Ms. May alleged that Agent Orange, Agent Blue and Agent White were used at Chanute Air Force Base. The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs maintains a database of locations where Agent Orange and other tactical herbicides, including Agents Blue and White, was were used or stored within the United States. No Illinois sites appear in this database."
“There is no historical information, data or analytical results that show Agent Orange was ever used at Chanute Air Force Base,” Sparrow said.
Michael Glasser, a Florida resident who was stationed at Chanute in the 1960s, claims he was disabled due to having handled Agent Orange and had indicated to several local residents that he had handled Agent Orange on base.
In documents released by Glasser, quoted in an August Rantoul Press article, the Department of Veterans Affairs Board of Veterans Appeals states, however, that Glasser “has cancer of the bladder, prostate and urethra as a result of exposure to hazardous chemicals during service” as an apprentice engineer entomology specialist in the Civil Engineering Insect and Rodent Control Division from November 1963 until his discharge in May 1964.”
There was no mention of Agent Orange in the documents.
Sparrow said the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency contacted Glasser, who told the agency he had used 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T.
“He didn’t say he’d used Agent Orange,” Sparrow said. “If you take those two chemicals and used them here, that doesn’t make Agent Orange. He said he mixed them and that was the same as Agent Orange.”
At the November meeting of the RAB board, Chris Hill of IEPA said he contacted Glasser and asked if he handled Agent Orange “and he would only say that he handled and disposed of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T and asserted it was the same as Agent Orange.”
“I asked again if he handled a product that was specifically identified as Agent Orange, and he said he didn’t have specific information identifying the use of Agent Orange on the base,” Hill said.
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Post by Jim on May 22, 2016 2:00:54 GMT 9
Never knew at we took any VC prisoners out of country. When I was there in 64 again in 65 and PCS 66-67, ARVN did the interrogations with a VNAF C-47 and 3000 ft altitude. I was told that it only worked if they had 3 or more guests on board........ Their favorite proving grounds were over the French Foreign Legion cemetary just outside the main gate at Tan Son Nuht AB.
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Post by LBer1568 on May 22, 2016 5:16:41 GMT 9
I am not an expert on Viet Nam, but have read extensively about the conflict. I was never stationed in Viet Nam, but did get a TDY to a site in Laos where we tested a C-130 gunship. That was a classified TDY where we had Air America ID cards and civilian clothing, tools etc. But from everything I have read we never maintained any North VN POW's. We turned them over to South VN troops. They had a POW camp in each of the divisions in country. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner-of-war_camp#South_Vietnamese_Army_camps_in_South_VietnamI would question the statement that someone guarded POW's in Guam or Okinawa during, or after Viet Nam period.
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