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Post by pat perry on Jan 9, 2015 5:17:04 GMT 9
Looks like the MOW has another of Ken's photos, apparently on the same mission.. I had found out that the F-104 had been at Homestead, but I couldn't find anything beyond 1962...... Will have a clock made out of an 11 x 14 print that my daughter has made from Ken's photo that he emailed me......more confusion for me..... The long-delayed F-106 finally arrived in 1959, only a year after its interim F-104A had entered service. The ADC quickly passed its F-104As and Bs to the Air National Guard but took them back during a series of crises in the early 1960s. It continued to use F-104As and Bs sparingly until 1969, when it passed them to the ANG for good. F-104Cs and Ds saw some combat in Vietnam until F-4 Phantom IIs replaced them. The Tactical Air Command sent its last F-104C to the ANG by 1968. In general, F-104 service was mostly a footnote in the histories of the Air Force and the Air National Guard, which flew their last Starfighters in 1975. - See more at: www.pacificaviationmuseum.org/pearl-harbor-blog/lockheed-f-104-starfighter#sthash.qRf00gbK.dpuf Jim, Great webpage on the F-104 "Zipper". Man, that beast was hazardous to ones health! Good thing Chuck Yeager made it out of that test flight and lived.
Pat P.
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Post by MOW on Jan 9, 2015 9:00:57 GMT 9
I will add Ken's comments to the photos in the gallery. Good stuff.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Jan 9, 2015 9:45:50 GMT 9
Sometime in the mid 1950s, I'm thinking 1955, Walter Cronkite narrated a documentary for a TV show.
That show, I think half-hour, was about the F-104 and how it was being tested out in the California Desert.
It was the first time I heard the name "Missile with a man in it".
The show had an animated section showing how the downward ejection seat worked.
Well, how it was supposed to work, as it really didn't work as advertized.
The first time I ever saw one, on the ground and in the air, was at Yuma, when we were there with our Saber Dogs for what became William Tell.
Don't remember what year, but no later than 1958.
We all stopped whatever we were doing when the 104s took to the runway.
They were amazing to watch take off, when we were used to 86s and other subsonic interceptors.
See then at museums, and still amazed that they actually flew.
Jim Too
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Post by Mark O on Jan 9, 2015 18:50:25 GMT 9
For some reason I always thought that Ivan Kincheloe was killed as a result of that dowward ejection seat, but he was trying to roll his F-104 so it would eject him UP when he crashed. After reading that link Jim posted I read more on it, so I got that figured out. That is a really good bit of info on the F-104 Jim, so thanks for posting. I think -- other than the info on Kincheloe -- the information on the wing being an anhedral design to counteract the vertical stab from rolling the aircraft due to rudder input was the most interesting thing I learned. Makes perfect sense to me now! Here's a shot of the Starfighter (56-0748) on display at Dyess I took back in 2010 that really shows the anhedral of the wings. (Oh, hey! There's the big red truck back there, and an F-89!)  |
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Post by Mark O on Jan 10, 2015 15:27:31 GMT 9
This from Ken concerning the MOW's photo: This Looks like the same photo. I think this was probably shot sometime in 1967. I have to search through my files to narrow down the time of year. The motivation behind the photo was; these 4 aircraft were the fighter aircraft in use in ADC at that time. They obviously brought them in for the photo since none, that I know of, were stationed at Colorado Springs. I spent most of 1967 traveling throughout the U.S., Korea, England, Scotland, Greenland, Newfoundland photographing ADC facilities, aircraft, etc. The F-106s deployed to Korea on a six month basis. I shot them there and then flew backseat with them to Guam as they were deploying back to the states. Four hours in an F-106! My most fervent memory is; how tired and sore my butt was when we finally got to Guam. Ah the good old days!
Ken
More from Ken: Jim,
Saw the other message first You may be right about the reason for the photo. I'm not sure, as one of the other corresponder wrote it looks awfully brown down on the ground and in June at graduation the ground should be green. I think the F-104 was still assigned to ADC. Earlier during my photo essay tour of ADC I photographed F-104s stationed at McDill AFB. Was my one and only time I got to fly backseat in their two seat F-104. Quite an experience. So I'm sure they were still assigned to ADC.
Ken Just thinking about Ken's 1967 comment, and I don't think that photo was taken then. Look at the tail number of the F-101B. "0-80290." That 0 (zero) prefix indicates that the aircraft is older than 10 years old (a 58-model), and she would not have that prefix yet if the pic was taken in 1967. Food for thought to shake the cobwebs I hope! Mark O |
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Post by Jim on Jan 11, 2015 0:48:40 GMT 9
This from Ken concerning the MOW's photo: This Looks like the same photo. I think this was probably shot sometime in 1967. I have to search through my files to narrow down the time of year. The motivation behind the photo was; these 4 aircraft were the fighter aircraft in use in ADC at that time. They obviously brought them in for the photo since none, that I know of, were stationed at Colorado Springs. I spent most of 1967 traveling throughout the U.S., Korea, England, Scotland, Greenland, Newfoundland photographing ADC facilities, aircraft, etc. The F-106s deployed to Korea on a six month basis. I shot them there and then flew backseat with them to Guam as they were deploying back to the states. Four hours in an F-106! My most fervent memory is; how tired and sore my butt was when we finally got to Guam. Ah the good old days!
Ken
More from Ken: Jim,
Saw the other message first You may be right about the reason for the photo. I'm not sure, as one of the other corresponder wrote it looks awfully brown down on the ground and in June at graduation the ground should be green. I think the F-104 was still assigned to ADC. Earlier during my photo essay tour of ADC I photographed F-104s stationed at McDill AFB. Was my one and only time I got to fly backseat in their two seat F-104. Quite an experience. So I'm sure they were still assigned to ADC.
Ken Just thinking about Ken's 1967 comment, and I don't think that photo was taken then. Look at the tail number of the F-101B. "0-80290." That 0 (zero) prefix indicates that the aircraft is older than 10 years old (a 58-model), and she would not have that prefix yet if the pic was taken in 1967. Food for thought to shake the cobwebs I hope! Mark O |
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Post by ma1marv on Jan 11, 2015 1:03:04 GMT 9
You might be thinking of Gen McConnell's son who died while ejecting from his F-104 at Hamilton AFB. MArv   |
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Post by Mark O on Jan 11, 2015 2:40:39 GMT 9
You might be thinking of Gen McConnell's son who died while ejecting from his F-104 at Hamilton AFB. MArv Hadn't heard of General McConnell's son, but found this write-up about Iven Kincheloe's crash. Unlike the link Jim posted, this one indicates he did eject, but too late. "On July 26, 1958, he took off in a F-104 to fly chase for Lou Schaik, a civilian test pilot for Lockheed. The F-104 was a, and is, a mean airplane. Although it was almost fifty-five feet long, its stubby wings spanned only twenty-two feet. Its gliding angle was straight down and pilots respectfully dubbed it the "missile-with-a-man-in-it." Another feature was the pilot's ejection system. Instead of ejecting upward through the canopy, the pilot shot himself downward out of the airplane. Kincheloe climbed to almost two thousand feet when suddenly the engine quit. Immediately the plane began to fall, and Kincheloe was already too low to eject downward, while he still had control of the plane, he began to roll it over on its back, calling over the radio, "Edwards, Mayday Seven Seventy-two, bailing out." The plane was almost inverted when Kincheloe ejected, his parachute still unfurling, followed into the flames. Captain Iven Carl Kincheloe, Jr. was dead, and was buried with full military honors at Arlington National Cemetery on August 1, 1958."
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Post by LBer1568 on Jan 11, 2015 4:53:18 GMT 9
My wife was born and raised in Germany. Her parents were original German citizens and got their Citizenship after my father -in-law joined USAF. He spent 24 of his 30 years in Germany, 11 of those at Spangdahlem form 1974-1985. My wife had a great uncle who was German AF and a F-104 pilot. On one visit he talked about the F-104 and it's various nicknames. The German AF did not have a great safety record in first few years of it's service. His best joke was how do you get yourself you own personal F-104? Buy an acre of land and just wait, one will show up.
Lorin
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Post by Jim on Feb 2, 2015 11:50:13 GMT 9
Here are the special only 2 clocks that will be made using Ken Hackman's photo "Interceptors at the Ramparts". The 2 frames, photo and clock movements are identical.. Only the data on the backs are different... Will be shipping Ken's clock to him tomorrow......
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Post by Jim on Feb 2, 2015 11:51:35 GMT 9
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Feb 2, 2015 12:33:57 GMT 9
Here are the special only 2 clocks that will be made using Ken Hackman's photo "Interceptors at the Ramparts". The 2 frames, photo and clock movements are identical.. Only the data on the backs are different... Will be shipping Ken's clock to him tomorrow......
Jim Too
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Post by pat perry on Feb 8, 2015 13:49:54 GMT 9
Here are the special only 2 clocks that will be made using Ken Hackman's photo "Interceptors at the Ramparts". The 2 frames, photo and clock movements are identical.. Only the data on the backs are different... Will be shipping Ken's clock to him tomorrow...... Here is the response from Ken Hackman upon receiving the clock picture that Jim, the Old Sarge, sent him. Jim wanted to thank Ken for sending a hi-res image to use for the same type award to be used for the 2015 F-106 Reunion.
Ken Hackman wrote: Jim,
Fantastic! Wow! I was completely blown away by the beautiful gift I received in the mail. You did a great job and I am so appreciative of your generosity. The photo looks great with the clock and the inscriptions on the back I shall cherish. I am glad that I was able to help out with your project.
I would have called you but I didn't have your number. If I can help out in the future, let me know. I'm sure I have more F-106 photos. The ADC F-106s used to deploy to Korea for six month TDYs. I went over there to photograph them and then flew with the returning contingent flying from Korea to Guam enroute back to the U.S. Long ride in a F-106!!
Thanks again,
Ken
Ya done good Old Sarge... again!
Pat P.
It would be great to have Ken join us at the F-106 Reunion in October. I'd love to see some other F-106 pictures he has taken as a USAF photographer.
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Post by pat perry on Feb 8, 2015 14:03:09 GMT 9
Bobski sent this:
All,
Thanks to John Postgate for this really cool site for viewing the National Museum of the Air Force at Wright Patterson AFB.
Bobski
www.cdsg.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=381
You may recognize picture # 183
Enjoy, Pat P
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Post by Jim on Feb 8, 2015 23:55:52 GMT 9
Another clock design for the reunion by my wife Sandy..... Have one more wall clock to finish and will have a van load of clocks to bring to Colorado Springs
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Feb 9, 2015 5:59:24 GMT 9
Another clock design for the reunion by my wife Sandy..... Have one more wall clock to finish and will have a van load of clocks to bring to Colorado Springs
Jim Too
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Post by Jim on Feb 11, 2015 8:08:03 GMT 9
The 2015 reunion clocks are all done.... There will be 4 wall clocks and 9 desk or mantle clocks  The 4th wall clock is already posted- it is the century series interceptors over the academy
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Feb 11, 2015 8:29:53 GMT 9
The 2015 reunion clocks are all done.... There will be 4 wall clocks and 9 desk or mantle clocksThe 4th wall clock is already posted- it is the century series interceptors over the academy
You and Sandy are a great team of designers and builders of Six Clocks.
Jim Too
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Post by pat perry on Feb 11, 2015 9:17:42 GMT 9
The 2015 reunion clocks are all done.... There will be 4 wall clocks and 9 desk or mantle clocksThe 4th wall clock is already posted- it is the century series interceptors over the academy I want to sit at your table at the 2015 Reunion!
Because if you aren't ready to make a short speech, I will.
You da man!
Pat P.
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Post by pat perry on Feb 17, 2015 7:35:41 GMT 9
Email from Bobski
URGENT!
All F106 Troops:
We have heard from our Tour Guide, Natalia, and she needs to schedule the Tour Busses by March 1. We have to send her deposits for each one. This is why it is so important for all you folks out there to at least register now and make your selections for the venues so we can get a good count. It is not necessary to pay now for anything but the registration. If you care to do partial payments just select which item(s) you are paying for with each check. You may also do anything on your own if that's your preference but we do recommend the busses. It worked out well in 2013 and they were just school busses. These are luxury motor coaches with lavatories, tour guides and bottled water included.
As of today we have 68 people signed up and we know there are many more out there planning to come. Let us hear from you! Also know that if an emergency arises that prevents you from coming your money will be refundable as long as we know before we leave for Colorado October 3rd.
Venue - Number signed up so far Meet & Greet - 53 Garden of Gods - 24 AFA - 34 Evening Tour - 26 Peterson Field & WWII - 28 Banquet - 50 Cog Railway - 6 Royal Gorge Train - 15
On another note Jim Gier has hand-made and has donated 13 wooden clocks for the reunion! These clocks are stunning and we will be raffling them off at the reunion. We most certainly owe Jim Gier a debt of gratitude for all the time and money he puts into these clocks for every reunion. Luckily he will be there this year and we can all thank him in person. There will be additional raffle items too, and if you have any possible F106 items to donate that would be great!
Again, please let us know if you are considering any of the tours ASAP! Either email reply or phone us.
If you have any questions please call either Ken (248-887-6834) or Bobski (772-571-6056)
Thanks guys and gals and see you in October!
Bob Kwiecinski & Ken Wigton
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