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Post by LBer1568 on Jul 31, 2020 2:07:59 GMT 9
This photo shows how we did MA-1 Phase inspections. Notice the "Yellow Barrel". It was a newer (From when I was MA-1) tester that would allow testing radar and IR targets at same time so we could check cross tracking and target following. I actually went to factory school on the Yellow barrel up in Baltimore MD. It had one of the first CD Drives in USAF. If we had issues loading or read/write the maintenance was to take drive out and clean it (Soap and water with dry cloths after to dry). In the majority of my fixes this was the most common issue. Especially at Tyndall with the salty breezes. I enjoyed working on phase right after we got these testers, but it wore off quickly. In Phase you did the same tests/alignments every day. I enjoyed working Quick fix during take off/recovery. Lorin
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Post by LBer1568 on Jul 31, 2020 2:42:54 GMT 9
This photo Op was taken in front of our 539th Alert Barns. This is the side with direct path to active runway. The photo includes all weapons assigned to New York Air Defense Sector at McGuire Air Force Base. The 46th ADMS was assigned to the New York Air Defense Sector at McGuire Air Force Base, New Jersey. The 46th was assigned to the 4751st ADW which was Part of New York Air Defense Sector. We had three barracks in our own part of McGuire One barracks was 539th, one was 46th and the other to NY ADS SAGE facility. We would have joint BBQ and parties as we were all Tenants on McGuire which was part of Military Air Transport Service (MATS). The 46th ADMS had Bomarc missiles and one of the History of it was they had one burn up in silo. It had nuke warhead and left radioactive debris after fire. That happened before I got to McGuire but many of folks in dorm next to us were there when it happened. It's funny that 539th and 46th were first in ADC to get their planes/missiles. PS the other aircraft the F-102 and F-104 were part of NYADS but not near McGuire. Lorin
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Post by LBer1568 on Aug 6, 2020 2:43:25 GMT 9
I remember seeing this before. It was a 318th FIS bird left for the 48th FIS to continue the OSAN Mission when 318th returned to McChord and flew the 48th birds until 48th folks rotated back from Osan. Does anyone know if the bombs were ever tested for separation during Edwards testing. The pylon was configured to allow for dropping the bombs, but when bombs are dropped they behave differently with each type of aircraft. I remember reading that one test release had bomb fly formation under the aircraft. Sorta terrified the crew flying it.
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Post by pat perry on Aug 6, 2020 9:41:40 GMT 9
I remember seeing this before. It was a 318th FIS bird left for the 48th FIS to continue the OSAN Mission when 318th returned to McChord and flew the 48th birds until 48th folks rotated back from Osan. Does anyone know if the bombs were ever tested for separation during Edwards testing. The pylon was configured to allow for dropping the bombs, but when bombs are dropped they behave differently with each type of aircraft. I remember reading that one test release had bomb fly formation under the aircraft. Sorta terrified the crew flying it. Lorin this was a joke pulled on LTG Arthur Agan the ADC Commander when he visited the 48th FIS at Osan Korea in 1968 www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/picture.php?/8203/category/435Advance the pics two more frames and see Agan laughing. There were times in the USAF when we could have fun pranking the Big Brass even during dangerous deployments. Pat P.
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Post by LBer1568 on Aug 6, 2020 11:04:29 GMT 9
Pat, I know it was a gag joke. But my question was, did the six ever have any release testing done with bombs? 795 was our primary test bird at Tyndall. It was assigned to normal training wing, but was used almost exclusively by the "Test" Sq. That was the unit that held all the live fire events, but also did prototyping of various mods. Mainly to MA-1 System, but also included Six Shooter. I was a part of many of the mods and enjoyed working with Hughes Tech Reps in making it happen "on equipment". They would draw up the electrical diagrams and several of us would do actual mods and test before showing to crews. I remember one early six shooter prototype was a structural mod consisting of two smaller guns mounted under wing, at wing root and they did fiberglass shells to see if it affected flight. That made it to flight test, without gun but didn't go any further. Another mod that was pylon mounted was "Satellite killer" missile. That actually flight tested and was eventually mounted on F-15 and underwent flight testing. Object was to pitch up to maximum altitude and release missile above 60,000 feet. The six lost too much airspeed in doing pitch up from 45,000 so missile didn't get effect of high Mach delivery. The F-15 was much better in high speed high altitude flight. Lorin
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Post by pat perry on Aug 6, 2020 23:01:16 GMT 9
Pat, I know it was a gag joke. But my question was, did the six ever have any release testing done with bombs? 795 was our primary test bird at Tyndall. It was assigned to normal training wing, but was used almost exclusively by the "Test" Sq. That was the unit that held all the live fire events, but also did prototyping of various mods. Mainly to MA-1 System, but also included Six Shooter. I was a part of many of the mods and enjoyed working with Hughes Tech Reps in making it happen "on equipment". They would draw up the electrical diagrams and several of us would do actual mods and test before showing to crews. I remember one early six shooter prototype was a structural mod consisting of two smaller guns mounted under wing, at wing root and they did fiberglass shells to see if it affected flight. That made it to flight test, without gun but didn't go any further. Another mod that was pylon mounted was "Satellite killer" missile. That actually flight tested and was eventually mounted on F-15 and underwent flight testing. Object was to pitch up to maximum altitude and release missile above 60,000 feet. The six lost too much airspeed in doing pitch up from 45,000 so missile didn't get effect of high Mach delivery. The F-15 was much better in high speed high altitude flight. Lorin Lorin, I've never seen anything on F-106 bomb test releasing. Doesn't mean that it was never considered or even tested and abandoned. Might've been great for today's smaller smart bombs. Perhaps that was the point of the 48th "demo" in Korea? Pat P.
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Post by LBer1568 on Aug 9, 2020 2:08:26 GMT 9
Pat, This image is of the Test Sq F-106 '795. It was used to prototype a lot. I believe this was Sat Killer Missile. This is how I remember the 539 FIS parking ramp. This might be from Ted Schmidt. He was an old timer then. When I got to McGuire Ted was a 15 year SSgt and ran our Phase Docks (MA-1). When Squadron broke up he went to Dover with the majority of Squadron as a TSgt. I ran into Ted again at Ramstein AB Germany we were both MSgt. He was TDY at the time. I was also TDY to USAFE NCO Academy. They finally forced me to go, and as a MSgt it was pretty easy. The majority of class mates were SSgt and a few TSgt. I got a Private room with Microwave, fridge etc. So I kept it stocked with beer and sandwich materials. TI's never came into my room, but messed with everyone else. I stumbled upon news article a while back listing Ted and his wife as deceased in Murder/Suicide. Their health was fading and he couldn't afford healthcare. Sad... Lorin
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Post by pat perry on Aug 9, 2020 11:20:16 GMT 9
Pat, This image is of the Test Sq F-106 '795. It was used to prototype a lot. I believe this was Sat Killer Missile. This is how I remember the 539 FIS parking ramp. This might be from Ted Schmidt. He was an old timer then. When I got to McGuire Ted was a 15 year SSgt and ran our Phase Docks (MA-1). When Squadron broke up he went to Dover with the majority of Squadron as a TSgt. I ran into Ted again at Ramstein AB Germany we were both MSgt. He was TDY at the time. I was also TDY to USAFE NCO Academy. They finally forced me to go, and as a MSgt it was pretty easy. The majority of class mates were SSgt and a few TSgt. I got a Private room with Microwave, fridge etc. So I kept it stocked with beer and sandwich materials. TI's never came into my room, but messed with everyone else. I stumbled upon news article a while back listing Ted and his wife as deceased in Murder/Suicide. Their health was fading and he couldn't afford healthcare. Sad... Lorin Lorin, That is definitely the Sat Killer missile. Glad you got to miss the harassment at NCO Academy. OMG, that is horrible news about Ted Schmidt and his wife! Pat P.
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Post by Jim on Aug 9, 2020 14:49:33 GMT 9
Pat, This image is of the Test Sq F-106 '795. It was used to prototype a lot. I believe this was Sat Killer Missile. This is how I remember the 539 FIS parking ramp. This might be from Ted Schmidt. He was an old timer then. When I got to McGuire Ted was a 15 year SSgt and ran our Phase Docks (MA-1). When Squadron broke up he went to Dover with the majority of Squadron as a TSgt. I ran into Ted again at Ramstein AB Germany we were both MSgt. He was TDY at the time. I was also TDY to USAFE NCO Academy. They finally forced me to go, and as a MSgt it was pretty easy. The majority of class mates were SSgt and a few TSgt. I got a Private room with Microwave, fridge etc. So I kept it stocked with beer and sandwich materials. TI's never came into my room, but messed with everyone else. I stumbled upon news article a while back listing Ted and his wife as deceased in Murder/Suicide. Their health was fading and he couldn't afford healthcare. Sad... Lorin Lorin, That is definitely the Sat Killer missile. Glad you got to miss the harassment at NCO Academy. OMG, that is horrible news about Ted Schmidt and his wife! Pat P. This happened about 5-6 years ago..... About 2 years after Sandy and I had spent a day and a night with them in their home in Las Cruses on our way back from Florida.. I met Ted through the OLD Pat's World and we corresponded quite regularly email and phone calls. He and Vi were alone in the world and medical problems were probably more than they could bear. I still have the 27th FIS coffee mug he sent me that first Christmas we "met" electronically. BTW, Ted was one of the first that I conned into donating to Castle to get their SIX.
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Post by LBer1568 on Aug 10, 2020 22:03:42 GMT 9
www.sr71.com/srloc~1.htmNo SR-71 aircraft went to boneyard at DMAFB. Many crashed and the rest went to static display as shown on site. Lorin
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Post by pat perry on Aug 11, 2020 1:40:23 GMT 9
www.sr71.com/srloc~1.htmNo SR-71 aircraft went to boneyard at DMAFB. Many crashed and the rest went to static display as shown on site. Lorin Thanks Lorin, We have one at Castle Air Museum and it is standing room only during Open Cockpit Day. Pat P.
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Post by LBer1568 on Aug 20, 2020 1:51:12 GMT 9
Gary, I have been suffering from lower back pain since the early 70's. I have claimed it several times and VA always comes back with statement that I have not met the requirements for higher rating (20%). The criteria for higher award is simple. Be on bed rest a certain number of days in past year. My ortho and neuo surgeons state that no respectful doctor uses bed rest for back issues. They instead give limited exercise and motion as treatments as well as heat and pain pills. The VA agrees with Doctors. but still have not updated the criteria in over 25 years. So I am limited to 80%. The majic number is 100% as it doubles from 90-100%. The virus has slowed down, if not stopped the claim process. Our County Veterans Service office has not seen any face to face meetings since pandemic started. Nor have the local Vets organizations. Hope you never have that last blockage as it sounds like constant pain. All the best and observe your doctors guidance to not over do it. Lorin
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Post by Bullhunter on Aug 20, 2020 10:47:30 GMT 9
I'm sorry the VA has been a pain in the ass for you. The VA I believe just likes to discourage people and make them give up. I have a friend who was in Vietnam, USAF Security Forces and did convoy duty. He fought with the VA and it started about 30 years ago. He argued for years and then gave up. I had some talks with him and suggested he go after them again and play their game as they send you to different doctors for different tests & exams. He had a whole list of illnesses and was exposed to agent orange. He stressed that and his illnesses and recently last year got 100%. He had to become a pain in the ass to them and did like I did. Once a month sent a letter asking for an update on my claim and what they wanted me to do next. Never give up if you have a good valid claim. The government and the VA have waivers for everything. BTW there is a list on the internet of most of the bases that used agent orange and many stateside bases used it fore brush & weed control. I went to jet engine tech school in the fall of 1971 at Chanute AFB, Il. They used AG there from 1970 up to 1985. Look up your bases. Tomorrow I'm going for my first Physical Therapy for my back. Hope it helps.
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Post by LBer1568 on Aug 20, 2020 22:23:41 GMT 9
Thanks Gary. BTW we were at Chanute at the same time. I started in Jan 1971 as Student in Flight Sim course. But with my background and training in MA-1, Flight Sim school was easy and I Profiency Tested all of the 10 weeks of Basic Electronics and most of the actual Flight Simulator material. I went to Technical Instructor Course in late March and started teaching as Flight Simulator Instructor in early May. After I became Instructor I finished the five level Course and Passed test in June and was granted 5-level AND PRO Pay again. I got my 7-level two weeks later as there was no 7-level course and I already had my MA-1 7-level. I met and married Brigitte at Chanute after I finished my Tech Instructor classes. I enjoyed Chanute, it was a lot like my hometown...out in boondocks in farming community. PS Gas is up to $2.15 today. Has been creeping up last few days. I filled up last week @ $2.00. Lorin
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Post by Bullhunter on Aug 21, 2020 1:45:32 GMT 9
Lorin,,,I bet we likely passed eachother one or twice at Chanute. I got to Norton in Dec 1971 and when they asked me where I wanted to work it surprised me. I asked for the flightline and that is what I got. Did my CDC's in 5 weeks instead of the 6 months allowed. Quickly got airman of the month. Got a waiver for my 5 level early, and shortly after got an engine run-up license as a A1C a task reserved for NCO's. We were two fast burners. Almost 50 years ago.
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Post by pat perry on Aug 21, 2020 6:03:12 GMT 9
I'm sorry the VA has been a pain in the ass for you. The VA I believe just likes to discourage people and make them give up. I have a friend who was in Vietnam, USAF Security Forces and did convoy duty. He fought with the VA and it started about 30 years ago. He argued for years and then gave up. I had some talks with him and suggested he go after them again and play their game as they send you to different doctors for different tests & exams. He had a whole list of illnesses and was exposed to agent orange. He stressed that and his illnesses and recently last year got 100%. He had to become a pain in the ass to them and did like I did. Once a month sent a letter asking for an update on my claim and what they wanted me to do next. Never give up if you have a good valid claim. The government and the VA have waivers for everything. BTW there is a list on the internet of most of the bases that used agent orange and many stateside bases used it fore brush & weed control. I went to jet engine tech school in the fall of 1971 at Chanute AFB, Il. They used AG there from 1970 up to 1985. Look up your bases. Tomorrow I'm going for my first Physical Therapy for my back. Hope it helps. Gary, the squeaking wheel gets the grease! Always has, always will. The other problem is that all of us over 70+ still have a 35 year old mind guiding us. That doesn't always help keep us from injuries to our already worn parts. It's fun to think young but doesn't always help us to act young without enduring the consequences. LOL! Sometimes it is better to "hire" it done than spend days in rehab after trying to do it ourselves. Stay well buddy, you still have a long journey ahead of you yet. Fortunately you have written an autobiography that will explain to your great-great grand kids how life is lived to its fullest! Pat P.
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Post by Jim on Sept 6, 2020 0:22:34 GMT 9
Wonder if Pima Air Museum's SIX looks as good as their DeuceWonder where this one is?
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Post by pat perry on Sept 6, 2020 2:05:55 GMT 9
Wonder if Pima Air Museum's SIX looks as good as their DeuceWonder where this one is? N616NA (57-2516) is in the Hampton Air Museum www.f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/index.php?/search/2364I understand the Pima F-106 is in for painting. After the F-106 Reunion at Tucson, Bobski offered Pima a check from our Raffle donations specifically for the F-106 painting. They refused to receive specific aircraft donations so Bob told them we would donate the money to a different air museum. Later I read that Pima was going to repaint the F-106. They must have heard from some of our Tucson F-106 Reunion attendees? pimaair.org/museum-aircraft/convair-f-106a/Pat P.
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