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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Sept 3, 2011 0:08:06 GMT 9
Here is some good news to all us Spittin' Kittens.
The museum is on the North Side of the Minot Airport, on U.S. 83, between Minot and MAFB.
Jim Too
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Dakota Territory Air Museum to get F-106 plane
September 2, 2011
By ELOISE OGDEN - Regional Editor (eogden@minotdailynews.com) , Minot Daily News
It will be awhile yet before it arrives in Minot, but the Dakota Territory Air Museum is getting an F-106 fighter-interceptor.
F-106 Delta Darts were flown by the former 5th Fighter Interceptor Squadron at Minot Air Force Base from 1960 until the planes were replaced in the 1980s with the F-15 Eagle.
Don Larson, president of the air museum, said the F-106 will be coming to the air museum from Tucson, Ariz. But he said he doesn't know exactly when the air museum will get the plane, although he said they are hopeful it will be here this year.
Larson said the plane first has to go through the demilitarization process at Davis-Monthan AFB near Tucson before it can be turned over to the air museum.
Davis-Monthan is the storage site or "boneyard" for excess military and government aircraft run by the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group.
When the demilitarization process is complete, the plane will be shipped by trucks to Minot, Larson said. He said it will cost the museum around $30,000 to get the plane to Minot.
Darrel Kerzmann, an air museum board member, and Larson said the air museum people started the process earlier this year requesting to obtain an F-106.
The museum already has a T-33. If they can also acquire an F-15, Kerzmann said they will have all three aircraft of the 5th Fighter Interceptor Squadron to honor that unit.
The squadron, established at Minot AFB on Feb. 1, 1960, had a storied history throughout its time and at Minot AFB.
It was the first squadron to assume operational status with the F-106 Delta Dart, according to squadron history.
In early 1988, the squadron was deactivated as the result of a cost-cutting move by the Air Force to close a number of Air Force units nationwide and the F-15s were sent to Otis Air National Guard Base in Massachusetts.
"We're pretty excited about it," said Kerzmann, of getting an F-106 for the air museum.
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Post by Mark O on Sept 3, 2011 0:32:21 GMT 9
It was the first squadron to assume operational status with the F-106 Delta Dart, according to squadron history. Good news indeed! Another save. It's interesting there will be two F-106s up there now. The above sentence caught my eye, however. Wasn't the 498th FIS the first squadron to assume IOC with the F-106 at Geiger Field, WA? As I understand it the 539th got the Six first, but the 498th beat them to IOC status. Mark
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Sept 3, 2011 1:46:45 GMT 9
Mark, I noticed that and forgot to comment on it.
The Fifth was not the first squadron with Sixes, nor was it the first to become active with them.
You are correct on your chronology.
The 539th got their Sixes beginning in May 1959, the 498th went active o 31 Oct. '59.
The Fifth got their first Six in January 1960.
So, whoever wrote the article got some wrong info, or the Fifth historian did.
The Six on a Stick at MAFB is kind of hidden away from base visitors. It is outside the fence that encloses the flight line, next to the old Fifth area.
For some reason there is a Deuce on the road coming on base from the main gate. Seeing MAFB never had 102s, the reason they have one is a mystery to me.
Jim Too
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Post by Mark O on Sept 3, 2011 2:13:20 GMT 9
I too think it's strange that they would actually paint that Duece with contemporary (at the time) 5th FIS markings. And yes, it took me awhile to find the Six on display. Of course, this was the only time I ever visited Minot. (Back in 2005.)
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Sept 3, 2011 4:12:48 GMT 9
What seem strange to me is that you would move an aircraft from AZ to ND when you have one setting in your backyard?
Bear
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Sept 3, 2011 5:33:55 GMT 9
Bear, your guess is as good as mine.
It really doesn't make any sense, unless the AF would not allow the one on base to be moved in to Minot.
With it on base, which is hard for non ID card holders to access, the Six is stuck out of the way on the back road of the base.
Maybe the museum just wanted one to show the folks in the area what the Ultimate Interceptor is.
I'm going to contact the museum and see if they will tell my why.
They have a nice 5th FIS display area inside the museum.
Will post whatever I find out.
Jim Too
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Sept 3, 2011 6:50:43 GMT 9
Jim Maybe they are getting 003 from the Pima museum and will make look good again, when we there in JUNE IT LOOKS BAD.
Bear
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Sept 3, 2011 7:39:16 GMT 9
Bear, Balls Three would be a great one, as ii was one of the original Darts at Minot.
We had 59-0001 through 59-0020, along with 57-2545 & 58-0901 B models.
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Post by MOW on Sept 3, 2011 15:32:42 GMT 9
Very interesting development. And having 2 in the same area, strange, but good.
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Post by Jim on Sept 4, 2011 12:33:50 GMT 9
Very interesting development. And having 2 in the same area, strange, but good. Not really.......... When the museum at Tyler Tx is trying to get one and Minot area has one.... 003 is out of the question- it belongs to Pima AM..... The only other one is 043 an original 27th bird..... Tyler is raising funds to get the remaining bird.. Politics involved? ??
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Sept 5, 2011 8:26:06 GMT 9
While I am in Minot next week, I will try to drop by the museum and find out what I can.
I got a note from one of the guys, but he was going to have to check with the guy who is doing the acquisition, to see why they didn't just move the Six from the base.
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Post by Mark O on Sept 5, 2011 8:32:46 GMT 9
I think they would have to go through the AF museum at Wright-Pat to get permission to move the display at Minot. As I understand it the AF museum "owns" all the displays around the country, and through their good graces "loan" them to the organizations that display the aircraft. These folks can be anything from a local VFW, a city, or an accredited museum. To me, it would sure make sense to move 56-0460 off base. Or at least move it to the front gate. Besides, imagine how much money the Dakota museum would save. Not to mention how many more folks would get a chance to see a REAL LIVE F-106!!! Be sure to let us know which aircraft they are going to try to get. We're all curious about that. Mark Another couple views of the Minot Six. I wonder how much those plants have grown up in the six years since I've been there?
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Post by Jim on Sept 5, 2011 9:39:54 GMT 9
Negative on AF Museum ownership of all 106 museum displays.... It is my understanding that the one at KI Sawyer is owned outright by the museum there- Had the museum failed to reopen, Lee said he was going to put it in his front yard...............................
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Post by jeep3 on Sept 5, 2011 9:44:08 GMT 9
about 22 years ago, our Legion Post requested from AMARC, something to display. Wasn't long and a Loon missle located at Lackland came up for grabs, so we got in a truck and picked it up. I told them to be careful when they removed the wings to use a saw or disc grinder and cut a straight line so they are easy to weld back on. Well, they used a cutting tourch which made it look pretty rough but we got it back together, painted it and the stars and stripes and it looks good setting by Post #80. This was a direct copy of the German V1. A few years ago, control of it went to Wright-Patt, AF Museum instaed of AMARC. All we had to pay for was the transportation and the painting. :thanks :salute :us_flag
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Sept 5, 2011 10:25:59 GMT 9
It soounds like Tyler and Minot are after the same aircraft. It sure would make sence to move the one at Minot accross base, but some pencil pusher at an out of the way office will decide to move the one in AZ to ND and the one that already at Minot to TX to save money. Isn't that the way it's suppose to work.
Bear
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Post by Mark O on Sept 5, 2011 10:39:47 GMT 9
Yea Jim, I'm not sure on the exact ownership rules. I'd forgot about the deal with Lee, and the KI Sawyer museum. I remember talking to MGen (Ret) Metcalf when he ran the AF museum, and he explained a bit of it to me. Of course I was just a young SSgt at the time, so I felt lucky to even have a few minutes of his time. One thing I frequently see on the plaques in front of display however, is a small caveat explaining that the aircraft is "on loan" from the AF museum. Here's an example from Little Rock AFB. Note the line on the bottom of the plaque. (First picture of mine I found. I'm sure I have others.) Mark
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Post by Lee Nellist on Sept 5, 2011 10:49:38 GMT 9
There is a second way to get an 106 airframe that doesn't involve the AF Museum. We got ours through the GSA after it was declared surplus. Then the state of Michigan got it from the GSA. Then Forsyth township got it from the state. All of these people are qualified to receive surplus. The township gave it to us. Kind of complicated and took some doing but we own it. Pretty well gutted but we we were interested in the display and it fit the bill.
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Post by Mark O on Sept 5, 2011 12:29:29 GMT 9
Thank you for refreshing my memory Lee! My twins and I will never forget that fun trip we made to the dedication ceremony. That was quite an adventure for them! Mark Me at the dedication...
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Sept 6, 2011 8:16:33 GMT 9
Just got a note from the museum curator.
The Six they are getting is 59-0043.
No explanation, but will see what I can find out when I'm in Minot.
Jim Too
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Post by Mark O on Sept 6, 2011 8:48:33 GMT 9
59-0043. Interesting. Did you guys know there are decals for that aircraft with pre- and post-QF status markings available? I have the 1/72 scale version. (I thought I had the 1/48th too, but they may be in my kit stash somewhere in the man cave.) It's obviously well documented in the 119th FIS markings, so now I'm curious to know how the Dakota Museum will paint her. I vote for old-school 5th FIS markings from Col Broughton's days. Something like this...(Maybe not with the stripes, I don't know. 0043 wasn't even assigned to the 5th, so this will surely aggravate some folks. BTW, I have decals for these markings too.) www.convairf-106deltadart.com/57023703Large.htmlAlso, did the 5th use these markings when the canopies were modified to frameless? That might make a difference, but only to purists I suppose. Here are the decals I have.
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