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Post by Mark O on Feb 28, 2013 5:19:22 GMT 9
Very nice! No big, green birds in the big, blue sky. Just ADC grey Phantoms with a splash of color! Note that the 178th FIS (Fargo, North Dakota, "Happy Hooligans"), and the 179th FIS (Duluth, Minnesota) each have very unique anti-glare paint jobs forward of the windscreen compared to each of the other squadrons which are pretty uniform. The other squadrons are of course the 194th FIS (Fresno, California), 171st FIS (Selfridge, Michigan), 136th FIS (Niagra Falls, New York), and the 111th FIS (Houston, Texas). More to follow! Enjoy!     |
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Post by Mark O on Feb 28, 2013 5:43:25 GMT 9
A few more... 123rd FIS (Portland, Oregon), another 194th FIS - note the tail - and although technically no longer an FIS, the 199th TFS (Hickham AFB, Hawaii) still performed an Air Defense mission when they converted from F-102s to F-4s in 1977.    |
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Post by Mark O on Feb 28, 2013 7:17:40 GMT 9
An interesting one. Oregon ANG, 114th Tactical Fighter Training Squadron which trained F-4 crews for the Air Defense mission. I've also seen a reference to them as being the 8123rd Fighter Interceptor Training Squadron, and even as the 114th FIS. They are out of Kingsley Field by the way. In any event, they flew the Phantom in ADC grey! This is actually a very popular scheme for modelers. I admit I have never seen this first scheme with the chevrons on the tail, however. Note the "114 TFTS" stenciled on the baggage pod on the lower photo. (Little know fact - an old F-4 pilot I used to know told me travel pods were -- at least at one time -- made out of napalm canisters. Anyone else heard of that before?)   |
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Post by pat perry on Feb 28, 2013 8:22:27 GMT 9
Mark, I think Photobucket is having hi-traffic or some sort of outage today. I went to the site and it took a long time to come up.
Anyway, I agree that the F-4 is a pretty mean looking aircraft. If the Six is a Corvette, the F-4 is a MRAP. The Six says "I'm fast and dangerous to the enemy" while the F-4 says "I came to open up a can of Whup A$$ on ground targets".
Now the A-6 Intruder is a butt-ugly aircraft but also very effective at its mission.
Great photos of the F-4
Pat P.
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Post by Mark O on Feb 28, 2013 8:29:51 GMT 9
How could one forget the 57th FIS from NAS Keflavik, Iceland? This is probably one of the more well known photos, AND it has the ADC insignia on the intake. Just a cool photo!  |
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Post by Mark O on Feb 28, 2013 8:45:09 GMT 9
I know, I know. This is the third 194th FIS Phantom photo I've posted, but this one is sort of famous, with a possible connection to a regular here. He was in the unit that the famous flyer was in, but I'm not sure (or can't remember) if he was there for the event. Maybe he remembers this aircraft. There is a photo of it when he would have known it in the link, and I'm sure he will tell us either way! The answer to the specific history of this aircraft is here... www.thisdayinaviation.com/23-september-1968/By the way, that is a pretty cool web site. "This Day in Aviation." If you click on the "home" link on the top left of that page it will take you to today. Pretty good reading, and I can see myself spending some serious time there! (I found the site today looking for ADC, F-4 pics.) Gosh I really like that tail design!  |
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Feb 28, 2013 8:58:14 GMT 9
Mark, I think Photobucket is having hi-traffic or some sort of outage today. I went to the site and it took a long time to come up. Anyway, I agree that the F-4 is a pretty mean looking aircraft. If the Six is a Corvette, the F-4 is a MRAP. The Six says "I'm fast and dangerous to the enemy" while the F-4 says "I came to open up a can of Whup A$$ on ground targets". Now the A-6 Intruder is a butt-ugly aircraft but also very effective at its mission. Great photos of the F-4 Pat P.
One: One engine is on fire.
Two: Low on fuel.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Feb 28, 2013 9:18:20 GMT 9
Well I remember that day, Mark.
The base fire department was there to greet Col. Olds, as were every pilot and maintianer who could make it to the flight line.
The plane, at that time was in SEA camo paint, lots of patches.
If you look at the pictures of "The Boss", when he got out of the plane, he has a cigarette in one hand, and a giant smile on his face, as the pilots carried him away from the plane.
If you read his book, "Fighter Pilot", you also know it was a bittersweet day for him.
He had to give up, forever, the one thing he loved, leading fighters in to combat.
It was a sad day for all of us at Ubon, because we knew no one could do what Olds did for the 8th TFW.
Chappie James, his deputy wing co, was not allowed to take the wing co position, and he rotated to the States a few months later.
I was there during the transition with Col. Robert V. Spencer, who was universallly disliked.
Shortly after his arrival, he refused to fly on F-4, because the Aussies had painted Kangaroos inside the intakes.
Old had lots of problems, but he was a leader.
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Post by pat perry on Feb 28, 2013 9:24:29 GMT 9
5195 Phantoms were built. In case you missed it on Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-4_Phantom_IIHere's a excerpt: NicknamesAn F-4F on display described as the "World's largest distributor of MiG parts", because of the high number of this type of enemy aircraft shot down The Phantom gathered a number of nicknames during its career. Some of these names included "Rhino", "Double Ugly",[108] the "Flying Anvil", "Flying Footlocker", "Flying Brick", "Lead Sled", the "Big Iron Sled" and the "St. Louis Slugger".[109] In recognition of its record of downing large numbers of Soviet-built MiGs,[110] it was called the "World's Leading Distributor of MiG Parts".[108] As a reflection of excellent performance in spite of its bulk, the F-4 was dubbed "the triumph of thrust over aerodynamics."[111] German Luftwaffe crews called their F-4s the Eisenschwein ("Iron Pig"), Fliegender Ziegelstein ("Flying Brick") and Luftverteidigungsdiesel ("Air Defense Diesel").[112] Imitating the spelling of the aircraft's name, McDonnell issued a series of patches. Pilots became "Phantom Phlyers", backseaters became "Phantom Pherrets", fans of the F-4 "Phantom Phanatics", and call it the "Phabulous Phantom". Ground crewmen who worked on the aircraft are known as "Phantom Phixers".[2]  Pat P. |
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Post by Mark O on Feb 28, 2013 9:47:54 GMT 9
Yes, I have heard most of those! Flying Brick you say? How about this? During my search today I came across this photo. It was on a forum where someone asked if the USAF Phantoms had wing folding mechanisms like the Navy, and Marine Corps. Yes they did, said the poster, and apparently they were known to have folded in flight at least once to a Navy crew that ejected because their runway was a carrier, and to a 57th FIS crew that was able to land. (I'm guessing back at Kef, but he didn't say. Probably because it was a story passed down many times?) I did some more poking around, and it seems that a Navy F-4 actually did land with it's wings folded (picture 2), and a few others are saying that the F-4E (picture 1) is a fake. Just the same, there is a well documented F-8 Crusader that had that happen, and the pilot was able to land, so I suppose it's not out of the realm of possibilty it could happen to an F-4. The second photo does seem more believable than the first. I haven't made up my mind about the whole story regarding the top photo, however. This is how rumors get started!   |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2013 11:10:47 GMT 9
Was that an experimental F106 with a second engine and bent wings?
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Post by LBer1568 on Feb 28, 2013 12:33:27 GMT 9
We had an F-4E take off from Spangdahlem AB Germany one foggy morning during an ORI. Pilot lost one engine at lift off. He declared an emergency, started dumping fuel and flew down the valley accross from local village, and managed to just keep it airborn around the base and did an approach end engagement with barrier. Pilot got an award and an article in Inteceptor magazine. GIB got a new flight suit, couldn't get the stains out.
ORI Team wrote us up because it was a repeat write-up. A/C suffered a flameout on approach on previous mission.
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Post by Jim on Mar 1, 2013 0:09:26 GMT 9
One is on take off and the other on landing?  Bullshit- 2 different operating parameters for the engine, unless that 45,000 lb piece of pig iron could get airborne with throttle less than min afterburner.. Reason for lighter weight? All the potting compound turned liquid and was all over the ground after the C/C  cleaned it off the access panels |
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Post by Jim on Mar 1, 2013 0:11:17 GMT 9
Was that an experimental F106 with a second engine and bent wings? NOT SOMETHING THAT UGHLY- THE FATHER OF ALL THE UGHLY AIRPLANES TO FOLLOW |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 2:04:26 GMT 9
To my eye, the F4 was one of the prettiest planes around. Just like a bull dog, you either have to love them or hate them. I just loved them.
The A-10 is another one of those kinds of things, and the old Studebakers.
I used to own a 1970 GTO Judge, when you looked at it, you could feel the rumble as it idled up to the line, then an explosion as it took off. The same with the F4. Fold those wings down, and from any angle that sucker looked like raw power.
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Post by Bullhunter on Mar 1, 2013 3:04:13 GMT 9
All great pictures. Thanks.
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Post by lindel on Mar 1, 2013 5:48:27 GMT 9
I've always heard that the F-4 didn't fly, the earth repelled it.
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Post by Mark O on Mar 1, 2013 10:32:45 GMT 9
No, I did not forget about the ADWC. It just took me forever to find a photo, and this is IT! Not the greatest, but here ya go. As I understand it, the ADWC didn't have the Phantom for long when it was decided the Oregon ANG would take over as the FTU for Phantom interceptor crews. I'm guessing this photo was taken around 1978, but not sure exactly. Notice the external tanks have markings on both sides!  |
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Post by Mark O on Mar 1, 2013 10:37:56 GMT 9
I've always heard that the F-4 didn't fly, the earth repelled it. Kind of like this? (An "F-4BEE"?)  |
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