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Post by LBer1568 on Mar 1, 2013 11:33:18 GMT 9
And all 4 of those big boys had to be unbalanced to shake as much as it did. I had the pleasure of riding on C-124's during my early years. When Einstein said going back in time was impossible, he never rode Old Shaky. It seemed like every flight I had on one was facing a head wind and we went backwards. Never a dull moment for crew on one.
But they did carry a lot of cargo and served our nation when nothing else was available. Don't they still fly a couple of teh pregnant Guppies for missle command?
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Post by MOW on Mar 1, 2013 15:00:20 GMT 9
No, I did not forget about the ADWC. It just took me forever to find a photo, and this is IT! Not the greatest, but here ya go. As I understand it, the ADWC didn't have the Phantom for long when it was decided the Oregon ANG would take over as the FTU for Phantom interceptor crews. I'm guessing this photo was taken around 1978, but not sure exactly. Notice the external tanks have markings on both sides!  And that's in the masonry 'brick' gray color right  |
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Post by Bullhunter on Mar 1, 2013 17:06:46 GMT 9
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This what a F-4 looks like after a flat spin and it hits the ground.
The Pilot and WSO were both lost. Waited to long before trying to eject. |
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Post by jimpadgett on Mar 2, 2013 8:02:21 GMT 9
Yes, I have heard most of those! Flying Brick you say? How about this? During my search today I came across this photo. It was on a forum where someone asked if the USAF Phantoms had wing folding mechanisms like the Navy, and Marine Corps. Yes they did, said the poster, and apparently they were known to have folded in flight at least once to a Navy crew that ejected because their runway was a carrier, and to a 57th FIS crew that was able to land. (I'm guessing back at Kef, but he didn't say. Probably because it was a story passed down many times?) I did some more poking around, and it seems that a Navy F-4 actually did land with it's wings folded (picture 2), and a few others are saying that the F-4E (picture 1) is a fake. Just the same, there is a well documented F-8 Crusader that had that happen, and the pilot was able to land, so I suppose it's not out of the realm of possibilty it could happen to an F-4. The second photo does seem more believable than the first. I haven't made up my mind about the whole story regarding the top photo, however. This is how rumors get started!   The story about the 57th FIS F-4C is true as far as it goes. I was there. It both took off and landed with the wing folds up. These folds on the "C" were mechanical (armstrong). The preflight,aircrew walkaround and the end of runway missed the fact that the lock indicator tabs for the folds were not up. Took off nose high with burners going. Alert scrambled to assist. Burned off/dumped(we never dumped hah hah) fuel. Came in and did a nearend barrier engagement. Wing folds removed and hinges NDIed and flew the next week. |
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Post by Mark O on Mar 2, 2013 8:32:30 GMT 9
Thank you Jim P.!!! That's good to know. Glad to know I can say I heard that story from someone who was there. (Ya never know; I may win a bar bet someday!)
Now, speaking about the USAF versions only, didn't the early Phantoms (C/D) have hydraulic actuators for the wing fold mechanism, and the E was just mechanical? Seems I read that somewhere.
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Post by jimpadgett on Mar 2, 2013 23:04:35 GMT 9
Don't know about the "D', but the "E" was hydraulic and the "C" was mechanical.
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Post by Mark O on Mar 3, 2013 2:34:00 GMT 9
Don't know about the "D', but the "E" was hydraulic and the "C" was mechanical. Ah-ha! I knew there was a difference. Just had it backwards!  |
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Post by Mark O on Mar 6, 2013 10:52:48 GMT 9
Does anyone catch the subtle uniqueness about one of the aircrat in this photo?  |
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Mar 6, 2013 12:55:43 GMT 9
Does anyone catch the subtle uniqueness about one of the aircrat in this photo?
Other than that, they look like F-4s usually do, UGLY. 
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Post by Mark O on Mar 7, 2013 0:09:10 GMT 9
Jim Too - Nope!
Anyone else see it?
(Hint: It has nothing to do with the structure, anything mechanical, or any appendages!)
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Post by Lee Nellist on Mar 7, 2013 2:30:22 GMT 9
If I didn't know better I would think the tail hook is missing on the upper F-4.
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Post by Mark O on Mar 7, 2013 3:56:55 GMT 9
If I didn't know better I would think the tail hook is missing on the upper F-4.
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Nope again. Remember -- it's not mechanical, nor does it have anything to do with the airframe itself. You will crack up when you notice it! I admit I did not see it at first either. (BTW, it has a tail hook, and no Jim Too, the splitter is not painted white. That's just an optical thing caused by the sun, and the angle the photograph was taken from. Oh, and no more hints! Someone other me HAS to see it!!) |
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Post by code1 on Mar 7, 2013 5:06:19 GMT 9
The ACFT# on the rudder.
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Post by code1 on Mar 7, 2013 5:09:18 GMT 9
Or is it the antenna on the spine?
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Post by Mark O on Mar 7, 2013 6:09:42 GMT 9
Or is it the antenna on the spine? Nope (already asked - you lose a point!) Nice try, and although I like that design -- however difficult I believe it may be to see air-to-air -- nope again! Okay. I know I said no more hints, but think "paint." (No, it's not the intake splitter on 952! That has been dismissed already as incorrect!) I'm telling y'all, this is VERY SUBTLE, CREATIVE, ORIGINAL, AND FUNNY, and IT IS THERE if you look!! |
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Post by pat perry on Mar 7, 2013 6:25:39 GMT 9
I'd have to say the Happy Holidays on the vertical stab. You don't see that very often - guess it's seasonal in that squadron. |
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Post by Mark O on Mar 7, 2013 6:37:37 GMT 9
I'd have to say the Happy Holidays on the vertical stab. You don't see that very often - guess it's seasonal in that squadron.   WINNER!!!!I'm telling you, it took me forever to notice that! Cracked me up when I saw it too! I mean, the font matches, it starts and ends in the right letters (Hooligans), it just looks right. The thing that caught my attention was the word "The" missing in front of the word "Happy." That's when I actually read the tail. LOVE IT!!! |
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Post by pat perry on Mar 7, 2013 11:28:37 GMT 9
I'd have to say the Happy Holidays on the vertical stab. You don't see that very often - guess it's seasonal in that squadron. I'm telling you, it took me forever to notice that! Cracked me up when I saw it too! I mean, the font matches, it starts and ends in the right letters (Hooligans), it just looks right. The thing that caught my attention was the word "The" missing in front of the word "Happy." That's when I actually read the tail. LOVE IT!!! Mark, you did a damn good job setting up this brain twister. Being a former painter the first thing I noticed was the Happy Holidays and I thought WTF is this? Then I thought there must be something different than you would normally see on a F-4 that Mark is pointing out. I shoulda' stuck with my first instinct. Great job on the setup! I didn't catch it until you gave the clue for paint. For that you get a whack in the + karma. Pat P. |
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Post by Mark O on Mar 9, 2013 5:10:23 GMT 9
I can't believe how difficult it is to find photographs of ADWC Phantoms. I did manage one more. At least it looks like the photographer was holding the camera level for this one. (P.S. Another MiG killer.)  |
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