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Post by Mark O on Sept 21, 2012 10:33:43 GMT 9
What's your favorite? Does the time you spent in the squadron make a difference? I mean, cool is cool no matter when it was. (The "Rat Pack" will always be cool. The "Brat Pack" will never be cool! In other words, I generally tend to favor "early"!!) Here's what I mean. Early 539th FIS (my favorite), versus late 539th...   How about the 194th? A big white tail with the California bear, or the blue stripe?   |
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Post by Mark O on Sept 21, 2012 10:47:09 GMT 9
I'm on a roll here! What's your favorite? ADWC...   |
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Post by Mark O on Sept 21, 2012 10:58:37 GMT 9
An exception to my "early" favorite rule. The 171st FIS. Although the early markings are unique, and I would like to make a model with those decals, I really prefer the late markings on the Michigan "Six Pack" F-106s. What say you?   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2012 12:09:34 GMT 9
personally, I dont really remember the original 539th. But I like the latter anyway. I was there from Jan 63, thru June 67, they might have been changing around the time I got there. As an instrument weenie, I never had a whole lot of reason to look up. Was either inside something, or under something else. Same thing as weapons loader, keep looking down, if you look you'd whack your head on something.
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Post by Mark O on Sept 21, 2012 13:00:04 GMT 9
Okay. Here are three versions of the 318th FIS. (That last photo has my crazy English teacher brother trying to be cool in 1981 at Fairchild AFB during the Armed Forces Dad open house!) My favorite is the last one, but I do like, and would want to see the very early markings made into decals for models.    |
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Post by Diamondback on Sept 21, 2012 13:07:13 GMT 9
On 318th, I'm kinda torn... the 4-pointer is the marking from when my grandfather was there, but the [edit: late] 8-point is the marking in use when my prof was CO. Wish I could come up with a creative idea to put models of Norm's flagship and one of the birds from Grandpa's time side-by-side on the same ramp, kind of an 'across the generations' thing like that painting with HW's Avenger and Dubya's Deuce in formation...
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Post by Mark O on Sept 21, 2012 13:10:25 GMT 9
Jim Too? (And all you other 5th FIS guys!) I didn't forget you. Early, or late?   |
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Post by Mark O on Sept 21, 2012 13:19:01 GMT 9
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2012 13:48:49 GMT 9
I remember the older 95th, they often visited us at McGoo. Always thought that was the slickest emblem ever.
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Post by LBer1568 on Sept 21, 2012 22:45:49 GMT 9
Mark,
You hit me since I was with Ron during last days of 539th I was there from Apr 64 - June 1967. I also liked the earlier marking. I then went to 4756th ADW, which became the ADWC. I also liked the original ADWC marking's. I believe it changed to ADWC in 1968. So we had all aircraft remarked then. I was also TDY to Osan to serve with 318th. i also liked there early markings. Most of our 539th guys went to 95th at Dover in 1967 when Sq disbanded. 95th and 539th were both "Round Eyes" so we had a lot of cross country flights between the 2 sq. I liked the 95th with just the big "Bones" and without yellow stripes.
But you know what? A plain grey six looked good too.
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Post by sixfixer on Sept 22, 2012 1:30:03 GMT 9
Great topic ! :2thumbsup Yes I agree with you Mark - - - with a few exceptions, earlier Sq markings do seem to be better the their later versions. One exception I can think of that hasn't been talked about is the 460 FIS who went from the 456/437 FIS markings to their own design. Personally, I think the 318ths early tail flash , the North Star or Compass Rose design are one of the better "Six" Sq markings, nice and clean - - it really has its own charm ! Having said that, I do like the full "Starburst" (with tank design) better especially on the T-33's & F-15's. It may seem like me and Mark are working together - - but on my 318th FIS website ( www.318thfis.com ) I've completed a page covering the history markings of the 318th & another covering the various "flagships" that have flown with "Green Dragons", with an explanation of the use of command stripes - both pages will be up by Sunday (23 Sept). |
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Post by lugnuts55 on Sept 22, 2012 4:15:10 GMT 9
Mark,
Thanks for not forgetting us 5FIS alumni. I was hoping you would post some for us and you didn't let us down. Personally, I like the early markings better but I think it might be because that's what they had when I was there. The new markings are not really too bad either, though. They didn't let the new design get too far away from the original which is not too bad.
Mike
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Post by Jim on Sept 22, 2012 7:36:43 GMT 9
The best- without prejudice Attachments:
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Post by pat perry on Sept 22, 2012 8:57:13 GMT 9
The best- without prejudice Jim, I have got to give this one some high marks and this from the guy who did the 2nd generation tails for the 456th FIS. How many rolls of masking tape did it take to lay out this design? I would have gone nuts doing this one. Pat P. |
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Sept 22, 2012 10:20:26 GMT 9
My favorite is the early tail marking.
The straight line is more the Dart design than the lightning bolt design.
But, I'm prejudiced, as the early one is what I worked on.
I also prefer the original canopy, it just seems to blend-in better.
Early on we did not have command stripes.
I don't remember when they came in to being.
We also had an outstanding unit citation ribbon on the tail, under the dart.
We got that courtesy of Col. Broughton making the 5th a First Class Fighter Interceptor Squadron, from the mess he inherited.
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Post by MOW on Sept 22, 2012 18:35:35 GMT 9
This is a great thread Mark and one that I think will inspire an addition to the man website reflecting a comparison like this with photos of each FIS's varied tail markings. Maybe another Photo Gallery album. Good stuff my friend good stuff. Update: Something like this www.f-106deltadart.com/tailflashcompare.htm |
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Post by Tom Dlugosh on Sept 23, 2012 2:30:36 GMT 9
Ditto Jim!
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Post by Jim on Sept 23, 2012 2:53:45 GMT 9
The best- without prejudice Jim, I have got to give this one some high marks and this from the guy who did the 2nd generation tails for the 456th FIS. How many rolls of masking tape did it take to lay out this design? I would have gone nuts doing this one. Pat P. Digging back in my memory(getting to be a shallow subject) I painted the first 10 of our birds and I used more than a case of tape and more than 10 sheets of the stencil paper (30"x30")..... The sqdn patch was all done with hand cut stencils- 6 of them to be exact. They lasted for about 4 birds and I would have to make new ones.. We had the ADC decal for the other side....... I had a gofer 1 stripper for a helper and it took us 4 days to do a bird- hardest was prepping that hard gray epoxy paint to get nitro celluloise lacquer to adhere- about 25 sheets of 320 wet/dray sandpaper per bird- all hand sanded- the pneumatic jitterbugs made way too damn much noise and your hand would go numb. Checker board layout and keeping the red from bleeding back through the white and turning pink were the 2 worst parts of the job........ |
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Post by Jim on Sept 23, 2012 3:25:55 GMT 9
The nose art is a crashed duck with WW2 flying helmet.. Sign says "Flying without feathers is hard to do"- This cost Col Stewart a 5th of Bushmills Attachments:
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Post by Mark O on Sept 23, 2012 12:49:57 GMT 9
Hmmm? Who were those Virginia boys that seemed to get up and down the East Coast, but were particularly fond of Florida? Oh yes, the 48th FIS! (Notice also the curved anti-glare panel, compared to the very late, straight panel. Does anyone remember specifically when they changed that? I'm guessing late, 1982 based on photo evidence alone.)   |
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