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Post by Mark O on Sept 23, 2012 13:14:27 GMT 9
11th FIS... Some other squadron was hogging the frame in this photo of 59-0097 in 11th FIS colors. (Looks like they ran out of places to put some color on 59-0148!)  Actually, that was a pretty common scheme for early F-106 squadrons. Seriously, does anyone know the history of that style? Other 11th FIS markings on 59-0097 on the bottom. Pretty neat composition whoever took that picture! Of course, "early" is a relative term. Notice also in the bottom photo the "early" (non-supersonic) drop tanks. To be honest, I'm not even sure which version of the tail markings came first, but I suspect it was the top photo. Any help?   |
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Post by MOW on Sept 23, 2012 16:57:33 GMT 9
Good stuff Mark :2thumbsup
You should be updating the new photo gallery with them. I think I made you an account before.
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Post by sixfixer on Sept 23, 2012 23:20:18 GMT 9
Hey Mark - the 11th FIS markings worn by 097 was the early version of the units markings, I believe it was a common tailflash for many of the units in the 29th Air Division. It a pretty nice design - personally I like it better than their next tailflash, the red chevron design which I think came in during the mid 60's.
The Chevron design is one of the simpler designs used on the F-106, but fit well with the tail and the overall profile of the Six.
I have to say it's hard to pick a favorite - a lot of them are cool for different reasons - - the late 498th / 84th, and the 5th are the best of the "lightning bolt" themed markings (FL ANGs simple but not bad), the 27th & 83d are the best of the "stripe" marks (with early 71st, 94th, 319th, 11th markings coming in 3rd) of the chevron marked Sixes 48th (great tail / tank combination) 460th, MI ANG, ADWC, are the best of that bunch, and the Red Bulls & Green Eagles and the Starburst of the 318th are in a class all of their own ! - - I think if I went on, I think I would hit each squadron !
I can say the one unit that took the biggest fall was CA ANG - going from a simple (but nice) red and white "state flag" tailflash to the tiny blue "California" tailband. - They did redeem themselves later with their "Griffon" tailflash on their F-16's.
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Post by Mark O on Sept 24, 2012 7:17:50 GMT 9
Good stuff Mark  You should be updating the new photo gallery with them. I think I made you an account before. Yea, I got to get on that. More to come... |
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Post by jeep3 on Sept 24, 2012 10:07:27 GMT 9
yup, also favor the early markings since they were there when I was. Does anyone know when they switched to the later markings? Was it when they went from ADC to TAC? :thanks  :salute |
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Post by Mark O on Sept 24, 2012 10:45:34 GMT 9
Does anyone know when they switched to the later markings? Was it when they went from ADC to TAC? No. Certainly the ADC badge was changed to TAC for the few remaining FIS's, but most markings changed well before that. In fact, the squadrons that were still around when ADC went TAC (including the ANG units) didn't change much at all before they were deactivated, or went to F-15s. (5th, 318th, and 48th were the only active duty units to convert to the F-15.) |
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Post by Diamondback on Sept 24, 2012 11:06:09 GMT 9
The easiest way is to round up every dated photo from a squadron you can find and run 'em down to narrow it to an "approximate range". The most effective, thoguh probably hardest, would be to see how many of the surviving Six squadron commanders you can find to contact and interview them... which, well, IMO those of you who were there, and those of us younger in position to listen and document, owe it to posterity to try to document the Six Story for future generations, the catch being not everyone's "plugged in," some are in failing health and others have chosen to go off-grid or otherwise sever ties, sometimes with good reasons.
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Post by lindel on Sept 24, 2012 11:08:44 GMT 9
As far as I know, the 49th stayed the same from 78 til the end. Can't say before that tho.
We went from ADC, to AD-TAC, and then finally to TAC. Then came the subdued patches.
The squadron insignia never changed while I was there.
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Post by pat perry on Sept 25, 2012 0:14:15 GMT 9
Here's an old post from 2006 where we discussed Tail Flashes
I have attached a low res PDF file of Wings Of Fame Vol 12 pages that show tail flashes. You may have to enlarge it to read the faint blue text on some pages.
This may help in the discussion. There were several other threads from years ago that talked about favorite tail designs but I'm still looking for themthrough our search tool.
Pat P.
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Post by Mark O on Sept 25, 2012 10:29:13 GMT 9
Pat P. - Ya beat me to it. I was planning on doing some high-res scans when I get my new copy of WOF 12.
Thanks!
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Post by pat perry on Sept 25, 2012 12:47:35 GMT 9
Pat P. - Ya beat me to it. I was planning on doing some high-res scans when I get my new copy of WOF 12. Thanks! Mark, Go ahead and make a hi res copy and we'll get MOW to put it on the main site. I just made that less than 1 meg version to store it on the forum for now. In fact, it would be nice to have a PDF copy of that entire 62 page F-106 section of WOF Vol 12. I think the company that published WOF is no longer in business - I'm not sure. They made a hard bound version (usually $125 plus) and a magazine style version (usually $35 plus) Thanks, Pat P. |
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Post by Mark O on Sept 25, 2012 15:20:11 GMT 9
119th FIS... A good couple of shots that show early, and late together. The first shows the early best, and the second shows what I guess was taken during the change. Notice how the early are reflecting the light. Interesting. I never knew that.   |
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Post by LBer1568 on Sept 25, 2012 22:25:44 GMT 9
Mark,
I guess everything is relative. When I talk about early I talk about back when sixes were front line and still had the FE markings on body. When I talk about late I talk about before the aircraft or squadron was deactivated. The 539th FIS early would be like 59-63, late would be 64 until 67 when they deactivated. Tyndall early would be old Air Defense Wing, middle would be when they changed in 1968 to Air (Aerospace) Defense Weapon Center and late would be TacAir.
Early in my mind wouldn't include Guard Uints which happened late in life of Six.
But yes, you could have early and late marking while in Guard... so it's all relative.
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Post by Diamondback on Sept 26, 2012 3:49:56 GMT 9
Oh, addendum to my prior post: and we of MY generation owe it to both you BTDT's and posterity to make sure that you all who gave some, and the some who gave ALL, are not forgotten.
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Post by Mark O on Sept 27, 2012 11:56:13 GMT 9
Tyndall early would be old Air Defense Wing, middle would be when they changed in 1968 to Air (Aerospace) Defense Weapon Center and late would be TacAir. Agreed. (To all of it, not just the above quote.) However, since you mentioned it, how about this? Every photo caption I've seen with these markings say "73rd Air Division." Fair enough. Would it also be correct to caption these markings as "4756th ADW?" (This is from Erv's site. Taken during WT '63 from Marty Isham's collection." P.S. I've wanted to see these markings as decals for an F-106 model for years! |
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Post by LBer1568 on Sept 27, 2012 23:51:38 GMT 9
July 1, 1957 Tyndall became part of ADC, Headquarters ADC activated the 73rd Air Division (Weapons) at Tyndall under the command of Brig. Gen. Milton Ashkins. The 73rd AD included two wings: the 4750th Air Defense Wing and the 4756th Air Defense Wing.
The 4750th ADW was joined by the 4750th Test Squadron.
The 4750th TESTS mission was to conduct operational test and evaluations of ADC weapons and equipment and to manage the interceptor firing program at Tyndall. They managed all live firing at Tyndall and Willie Tell. They also picked up the Mod's for F-106 including Six Shooter.
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Post by Mark O on Oct 1, 2012 10:23:23 GMT 9
I finally got my "new" copy of Wings of Fame, Volume 12 in the mail this weekend. It's a hard cover version (unlike my original paperback) so I need to take it easy scanning photos with it. The CinC has control of the desktop with the scanner, so I'll have to wait for some free time to get the tails scanned.
Just nice to have a decent copy again. No basement, so I don't have to worry about the flooding again.
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Post by Mark O on Feb 11, 2013 11:07:09 GMT 9
Okay! I finally got off my ham radio long enough to get a decent start on the tail design page. I added a bunch of squadrons with at least one early, and one late tail design in each folder. Of course this is a work in progress, and I'll update when I can. Here's the link... www.f-106deltadart.com/tailflashcompare.htmMOW, thanks for the help! |
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Post by MOW on Feb 11, 2013 11:08:53 GMT 9
Mark O that is a great page! Good start, you got a lot of good examples in there now.
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Post by Mark O on Feb 11, 2013 11:25:12 GMT 9
Mark O that is a great page! Good start, you got a lot of good examples in there now. Thank you. Like I said, this is just a start. There are plenty of examples to come, including some more one-off's like the 71st WT65 special markings, and stuff like that. Maybe some with markings that may not be on the tail, but are unique just the same! |
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