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Post by jeffryfontaine on Oct 10, 2011 15:22:19 GMT 9
I sent an eMail to Pat McGee via his F-101 Voodoo page asking if he knew of anyone in his network that might have drawings, images, and other pertinent details concerning the wing mounted stores pylons that were seldom seen on the F-101 and RF-101.
Pat suggested that I join this forum and ask that same question here. So I joined and now I am asking.
The few images I have seen of this pylon have shown an RF-101 with a pylon mounted under each wing and what appears to be a very early ECM pod (perhaps one of the QCR-66 series).
From what I have read so far, these pylons were also carried by the F-101. Is this correct?
I would be very grateful for any assistance provided.
Thanks,
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Post by MOW on Oct 10, 2011 15:48:11 GMT 9
:welcome Jeff I hope there are some folks here that can help.
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Post by Jim on Oct 11, 2011 1:00:28 GMT 9
I sent an eMail to Pat McGee via his F-101 Voodoo page asking if he knew of anyone in his network that might have drawings, images, and other pertinent details concerning the wing mounted stores pylons that were seldom seen on the F-101 and RF-101. Pat suggested that I join this forum and ask that same question here. So I joined and now I am asking. The few images I have seen of this pylon have shown an RF-101 with a pylon mounted under each wing and what appears to be a very early ECM pod (perhaps one of the QCR-66 series). From what I have read so far, these pylons were also carried by the F-101. Is this correct? I would be very grateful for any assistance provided. Thanks, Jeff, the wing stores you see on an RF-101C are 450gal drop tanks... and presume they are the same on the A and B... They may have added an ECM pod after I left Nam.... Before that they had detectors for nose/tail warning and I believe the same on the wing tips.... Note: In April 1967, ALQ-71 ECM pods were fitted to provide some protection against SAMs. Although the Voodoo was again able to operate at medium altitudes, the added drag decreased the speed enough to make RF-101 vulnerable to MiGs and thus requiring fighter escort. BTW, a lot of those names on the Viet Nam Wall are from the 45th Tac Recon Sqdn (Misawa/TanSan Nuht) Jim |
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Post by Mark O on Oct 11, 2011 4:01:33 GMT 9
I got the F-101 bug, and started poking around. I found this 22 minute, USAF film (well, it's on video now!) with some cool footage of 437th FIS F-101Bs at Oxnard AFB from 1968.
I don't imagine they used this one for recruiting, but I do love the masking tape protection they used!
Interesting film to say the least, but the F-101 footage is cool. Shows some AIM-4s being loaded too.
This film from 1958 (it says 1957, but...) is a bit less dramatic, and focuses specifically on the "new" F-101B weapon system, but shows the development of the entire F-101 series. I like the footage of the "three-Falcon" arrangement, and firing which we talked about here some time back. (About 10+ minutes long.)
Mark
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Oct 11, 2011 5:27:30 GMT 9
Well, to say the least, the video was at least hokey.
Have you ever noticed that the narrator(s) of those films always sounds like Jack Webb, "Just the facts, ma'am"?
I don't ever remember going through all that was done in the film.
Maybe we were just too primitive at The SCAB and Minot.
We had exercises, but never went through all that was depicted.
Nor did we put reflective tape all over our fatigues.
Most of the time we just did what we always did, until the exercise was over, or we were declared dead.
Our shelter at Minot was the SAGE Building. But we only went there after we were supposed to have too much radiation.
All-in-all, it was the era of children in school getting under their desks to protect them from fallout.
During WW2 we did the same thing, along with going in to the hallway of our school and just sitting.
At the time, we thought it was going to help.
In reality, it was mostly eyewash.
In many ways those days were so innocent and we were filled with awe at the "technology" that would save mankind.
Maybe, just maybe, we were better off in those days of innocence.
Jim Too
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Post by Gene on Oct 11, 2011 6:42:34 GMT 9
well i'll tell ya partner... that was william conrad narrating the d.p. film... first he was marshall dillon on the radio series "gunsmoke" and then he was the fatman p.i. on cannon.... that film brought back memories of the '70's... when we ran out of exposure suits, we got out the masking tape to simulate... even into the '80's we had to load a plane monthly with all the d.p. gear on, and we documented the hell out of it...havent seen it at all in the '90's right up to my retirement...
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Oct 11, 2011 7:21:41 GMT 9
That is why the voice sounded familiar.
I used to listen to him as Marshall Dillon on the radio.
Can't imagine why he didn't get the TV series job?
Don't suppose it was because he was a big around as he was tall.
Nah.
That would never happen in Hollywood.
I guess I got out too early to have been involved in those fun and games being played.
Either that or ADC and TAC had two different ways of doing things, depending on the base.
I'm just happy I never had to play those games.
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Post by Gene on Oct 11, 2011 7:33:05 GMT 9
those were the MAC days for me... also, they wanted john wayne for the t.v. show...he just made a movie with jim arness and was impressed enough to reccommend him... and you were lucky not to have to play games...some were totally pointless.. William Conrad was a fighter pilot In World War II when he was still able to squeeze into the cockpit of an F-51 (Mustang). He was inspired to fly under the Golden Gate bridge, which was quite the fighter pilot thing to do in those days. But some one got his tail number so he was grounded and never went overseas to combat the Bad Guys. Can any of you William Conrad bashers match that  |
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Post by Gene on Oct 11, 2011 7:49:35 GMT 9
you got to check this out... :salute :salute |
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Post by Jim on Oct 11, 2011 8:29:20 GMT 9
Quote Jim Too:
Nor did we put reflective tape all over our fatigues.
Sac had a supplement to AFM 35-10 concerning the reflective tape as follows:
After a snow blower ate a couple of Airmen at Loring (1960 or 61), every body on base had to get a big plus sign sewed on the back of the parka and field jacket, with a strip on the zipper flap on these jackets and on each cuff...Also had to have a one inch band sewn on the bottom of fatique pants and the big bunny pants... The video looks contrived - I don't ever remember seeing our CO wearing his garrison hat with the orange flight suit, or a breifing like the one depicted......
hokey is right- The reflective tape shown isn't what we wore and it wasn't on the fatique shirt.... Only as described above...... When I arrived at Misawa in Jan 64, they also were wearing reflective tape as described..
In 53-54 while at George, during CBR ( chemical, Biological and Radiological) Warfare exercises we did use masking tape much as shown, it still looks contrived.
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Post by Gene on Oct 11, 2011 9:43:57 GMT 9
the base reg. at mcchord said you had to have reflectorized gear 1/2 before sunset... it started out as reflector tape sewn to the cuffs of fatique shirts and pants, then vests, and finally a belt worn around the waist...
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Oct 11, 2011 10:11:03 GMT 9
That was great.
I always like Conrad, and think he had one of the best voices in any broadcast medium.
Those who never had the experience of feeling a B-36 take off, have missed a treat.
I did say feeling.
You didn't have to see that giant Convair bird take off, you felt it and heard it.
They would usually have a pretty good separation between takeoffs, even with LeMay's Elephant Walks.
It was an amazing machine.
There was even one built to use a nuclear power plant.
Didn't make it in to production.
Jim Too
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Post by Mark O on Oct 11, 2011 11:01:05 GMT 9
Guys, I'm pretty sure that was not reflective tape they put on their fatigues. It was just masking tape to seal up any opening that radioactive fallout could get into. Buttons, zippers, pockets, wrists, ankles, etc.
Why they didn't tape up their collars (our use protective masks for that matter) was probably due to the naiveties of the time.
During my entire career we trained for nuke protection on a semi-frequent basis starting from basic in 1983, to the present. The big protection was our MOPP gear. Mission Oriented Protective Posture. In other words, our chemical suits. ("MOPP-suits", or Chemical Protective Over Garments, CPOG, or "Cee-Pogs") In fact, during Desert Storm we wore the tops, and bottoms of our suits during the entire ground campaign. We carried our gloves, boots, and masks with us everywhere we went.
You know what though? When you are 19 years old it made a lot of sense. (I was 26 when I got there, and turned 27 during the war.) You would wear that stuff, do your job, and KNOW you would be safe. I did have some questions then, however!
Not so much in the latter half of my career. I can honestly say I don't know what I would have done if the horn went off, and I knew it wasn't a drill. I really don't know.
Mark
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Post by lindel on Oct 11, 2011 11:03:26 GMT 9
Back in the day at the Griff, you'd have grabbed a deck of cards and gone to the hanger with the rest of us...
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Post by Mark O on Oct 11, 2011 11:45:27 GMT 9
Back in the day at the Griff, you'd have grabbed a deck of cards and gone to the hanger with the rest of us... Yea, if you weren't on the line during the exercises in my day, we were doing the same thing. BTW, since the subject of reflective tape on uniforms came up, does anyone recognize this? I know it's hard to tell, but if I had to guess I think this might be a 318th bird. Not 100% on that though. You can definitely see the reflective tape sewn into the back of his field jacket though. This is not the first photo I've seen with guys on the line with tape sewn into their jackets. Never on their fatigues, but I've seen photos of the reflective tape on the jackets. Mark  |
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Post by MOW on Oct 11, 2011 11:53:08 GMT 9
Back in the day at the Griff, you'd have grabbed a deck of cards and gone to the hanger with the rest of us... Yea, if you weren't on the line during the exercises in my day, we were doing the same thing. BTW, since the subject of reflective tape on uniforms came up, does anyone recognize this? I know it's hard to tell, but if I had to guess I think this might be a 318th bird. Not 100% on that though. You can definitely see the reflective tape sewn into the back of his field jacket though. This is not the first photo I've seen with guys on the line with tape sewn into their jackets. Never on their fatigues, but I've seen photos of the reflective tape on the jackets. Mark Oh, absolutely we had reflective tape sewn on the back of our field jackets. Can't remember when it started, but we did it at KI Sawyer as well in the late 70's early 80's. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 11:57:52 GMT 9
ditto at McGuire from early 60's to late 60's. Remember the reflector tape on the parka's, not on fatigues, not sure about other jackets, but dont think we had them on field jackets.
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Post by Mark O on Oct 11, 2011 12:06:59 GMT 9
ditto at McGuire from early 60's to late 60's. Remember the reflector tape on the parka's, not on fatigues, not sure about other jackets, but dont think we had them on field jackets. Yep, that sure is a parka. That's one of the few items the Ohio ANG made me turn in when I left them to go on active duty. I sure wanted to keep that parka! BTW, we didn't have the reflective tape on ours then though. (2001-2003 when I was there.) The funny thing is they had those parkas at Grand Forks, but didn't issue them to the flight line guys. We got insulated Carhartt outerwear. The pukes that worked in finance, and every other back office got them though! Pissed me off! I gave my Carhartts to my son when he went back up to Grand Forks to go to the University of North Dakota. Not much need for it down in Texas! Mark |
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Post by lindel on Oct 11, 2011 12:32:40 GMT 9
Had it at the Griff too, before I left, they modified it to a velcro tape to comply with the subdued fatigues.
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Post by Mark O on Oct 11, 2011 12:54:06 GMT 9
I would be very grateful for any assistance provided. Thanks, Hey Jeffry - :welcome Bet you didn't think your question would turn into something like this did you? This is how we roll around here! I think Jim gave you the best information however. I've been poking around, and really can't find anything other than the ALQ-71 info he provided, and Jim ought to know! He was there. Don't be a stranger though! It's always good to get some other Century Series fans here. Mark |
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