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Post by Gene on Oct 11, 2011 14:50:07 GMT 9
everybody on the night shifts all over mcchord started out with the reflective tape on shirt cuffs andpant cuffs, and, they had it on the field jackets....even the rain gear had reflective material built in...
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Post by jeffryfontaine on Oct 12, 2011 8:30:59 GMT 9
Jeff, the wing stores you see on an RF-101C are 450gal drop tanks... and presume they are the same on the A and B... They may have added an ECM pod after I left Nam.... Before that they had detectors for nose/tail warning and I believe the same on the wing tips.... Note: In April 1967, ALQ-71 ECM pods were fitted to provide some protection against SAMs. Although the Voodoo was again able to operate at medium altitudes, the added drag decreased the speed enough to make RF-101 vulnerable to MiGs and thus requiring fighter escort. BTW, a lot of those names on the Viet Nam Wall are from the 45th Tac Recon Sqdn (Misawa/TanSan Nuht) Jim Hi Jim, I am referring to the small pylons mounted under the wings outboard of the main landing gear not the fuel tanks that are normally seen under the aircraft fuselage attached under the engines on either side of the aircraft centerline. The small wing mounted stores pylons would be quite impressive if they were capable of holding a full 450 gallon fuel tank. Most images I have encountered showing a Voodoo with the small wing pylons have been head on or oblique images that show little detail. I was hoping someone would have a decent copy of the F-101/RF-101 TO that covers the pylons in detail that was willing to share the intel. |
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Post by Mark O on Oct 12, 2011 9:39:46 GMT 9
Most images I have encountered showing a Voodoo with the small wing pylons have been head on or oblique images that show little detail. I was hoping someone would have a decent copy of the F-101/RF-101 TO that covers the pylons in detail that was willing to share the intel. Can you post, or link the photos you have? I've done a few cursory searches, but can't find anything and am very curious. It might help refresh some memories too! Thanks! Mark Edit: Does anyone know what this is hanging from the centerline of the RF-101C they have on display at the USAF Museum at Wright-Patt? Photos are here in the link. www.primeportal.net/hangar/bill_spidle3/rf-101c_56-0166/ |
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Post by Mark O on Oct 12, 2011 10:34:24 GMT 9
Sh-sh-shaa!! I found a photo of an outboard pylon on an RF-101C! AN/ALQ-71-? (QRC-160-?) Here is the link to the forum where I found the photo. The entire thread is pretty interesting actually. It was started back in 2009, and kind of dragged on. Good photos, and some good history. forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=89507Mark  |
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Oct 12, 2011 12:43:06 GMT 9
Mark, I'm not 100% sure, but the picture of the Voodoo with the pylon looks like either an A or C model.
The afterburner looks to be too short to be a B model.
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Post by Mark O on Oct 12, 2011 14:47:02 GMT 9
Mark, I'm not 100% sure, but the picture of the Voodoo with the pylon looks like either an A or C model. The afterburner looks to be too short to be a B model. Jim Too  That's true Jim Too, but please notice I wrote that it's a photo of an RF-101C. This whole thread got off track when I posted that nuke preparedness video, then we started talking about reflective tape! Entirely my fault!  Mark |
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Post by MOW on Oct 12, 2011 15:23:09 GMT 9
Mark, I'm not 100% sure, but the picture of the Voodoo with the pylon looks like either an A or C model. The afterburner looks to be too short to be a B model. Jim Too That's true Jim Too, but please notice I wrote that it's a photo of an RF-101C. This whole thread got off track when I posted that nuke preparedness video, then we started talking about reflective tape! Entirely my fault! Mark Yea, it's your fault, damn you Mark  how dare you start posting stuff that 'nobody' is interested in You crack me up, this is great stuff and you, me and everyone else here knows that all who read it... love it   |
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Post by Jim on Oct 12, 2011 15:33:04 GMT 9
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Oct 13, 2011 0:10:09 GMT 9
Mark, had I read all the letters and numbers at the beginning of that post, I would have seen it was an RF-101C.
Should have done more than look at the picture.
Going down Rabbit Trails is something we all do.
I find most Rabbit Trails to be interesting and educational.
I tend to do it as much as anyone.
But, But, we always manage to get back on track.
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Post by jeffryfontaine on Oct 13, 2011 15:22:51 GMT 9
Thanks for all of the input you guys have provided so far.
After reading through the forum discussion provided in the link I am still at a loss on increasing my knowledge of the wing mounted stores pylon. Is it correct to take as fact the claim that these stores pylons were fabricated locally? Was there any MWO published that provided directions and instructions on what materials were to be used for fabricating these stores pylons? More important, where is the detailed information on the dimensions that were used to create these stores pylons.
While this information is not critical it would be nice to have. My goal is to build a model of the Monogram 1/48th scale F-101B Voodoo that will be fictional. Or as some folks would describe it, a what-if model or WHIF for short.
My intentions are at this point to fabricate wing mounted stores pylons from parts available in models of the F-4 Phantom and just sand them down to get the desired shape. I guess I am focusing on something trivial but it would be nice to have the details so that my fictional Voodoo looks authentic at first glance.
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Post by Mark O on Oct 13, 2011 16:49:10 GMT 9
While this information is not critical it would be nice to have. My goal is to build a model of the Monogram 1/48th scale F-101B Voodoo that will be fictional. Or as some folks would describe it, a what-if model or WHIF for short. I gotta be honest here Jeffry. If your intent is to build a WHIF, who cares if it's "accurate" as long as it's something that looks okay to you? I understand how you feel, but remember, when they hung those ECM pods out there on the RF-101s it caused a bunch of problems performance wise. There's a reason it was never done on the B-model Voodoo. I've always felt even WHIF's have to have a certain degree of reality even if they aren't "accurate". That said, if you make your own pylons, and they "look like a duck..." Well, you get what I mean. What do you intend to hang from these WHIF pylons anyway? ECM gear? Modern (AIM-7/AIM-9/etc.) missiles? A toilet? (Don't laugh! The Navy did it on a SPAD in Vietnam, and there are photos out there to prove it!) Good luck, seriously; whatever you decide to do. Mark |
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Post by Jim on Oct 14, 2011 1:36:10 GMT 9
If you are building a what-if thing, there would be nothing to compare it to anyways...... Look at the garbage they hung off fully loaded F-5s......
As Mark said "reality".......................... You might not remember Buck Rogers, but look around you today..... Plausible might be a better word....
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Post by jeffryfontaine on Oct 14, 2011 4:35:59 GMT 9
Jim and Mark,
Thanks for the comments. Definitely no toilets. I have seen the images you refer to of the Skyraider carrying the Mk 1, Mod 0 Toilet.
As far as the wing mounted stores pylons go, I suppose my main concern is size and placement on the wing. From the few images available, it is apparent that the stores pylon was just large enough to cover the bomb rack with an aerodynamic fairing. It is obvious that it does not extend in to the movement arc of the flaps. I believe with a bit of sanding and cutting, the outboard wing stores pylon from a 1/48th scale F-4 Phantom will work without too much effort.
The main concern is the pylon location on the wing which was one of the main reasons for posting this question on this forum. In every image I have seen so far, this detail is not provided thanks to the images being taken from head on or from an oblique angle which does not show much detail on where the pylon is mounted on the wing.
As far as what would be carried on these stores pylons. Definitely something small. Nothing outlandish like fuel tanks or large bombs. Something more subtle like the ECM pods that were carried on the reconnaissance Voodoos. Maybe mount an extra pair of air to air missiles such as the AIM-9 Sidewinder or a pair of AIM-7 Sparrow missiles for the enhanced interceptor Voodoo? How about a Wild Weasel Voodoo with a pair of AGM-45 Shrikes? Mounting an AGM-78 Standard ARM on the centerline stores station might be pushing it too far but it is certainly worth consideration.
My first attempt at a WHIF Voodoo will be to keep it simple as possible. I want to build a strike Voodoo based on the F-101B with ECM pods on the wing stores pylons, two fuel tanks, and a B43 (sourced from the Monogram B-58 Hustler) on the centerline stores station. The missile pallet area in the fuselage will be blanked off with the blanking plate that is included in the Monogram RF-101B kit.
There you have it, my complete confession. Is this an indication of a sick and perverted mind? :^)
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Oct 14, 2011 4:58:27 GMT 9
Jeffry asked?
Well, Jeffry, if what you are doing is the sign of a sick and perverted mind, you are certainly in very good company on the Six Forum.
I do believe, that if you read a good selection of past postings, you will find lots of us are in the same category.
Welcome to the club.
Waiting to see what your Voodoo model looks like.
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Post by Mark O on Oct 14, 2011 9:57:03 GMT 9
..... Plausible might be a better word.... Enjoy yourself.............. The Old Sarge Plausible! That's the word I was looking for! Thanks Jim!! Perhaps I should have written, "rooted in reality". What I know of the F-101 nuke missions (which could apply to any other tactical aircraft flying a nuke mission I suppose) is the goal was to get in quick, drop their weapon, and get the H-E-double-hockey-sticks out of there as quickly as possible. No reason to hang around and fight your way out of "Indian country" against the bad guy's fighters. Just RUN! Why have stuff hanging from your wings when you're doing that? Especially any ECM equipment. I imagine as soon as the nuke went off it would be worthless anyway from the electromagnetic pulse. Anyway, I sure want to see that model!! :2thumbsup Mark |
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Post by jeffryfontaine on Oct 15, 2011 4:52:27 GMT 9
What I know of the F-101 nuke missions (which could apply to any other tactical aircraft flying a nuke mission I suppose) is the goal was to get in quick, drop their weapon, and get the H-E-double-hockey-sticks out of there as quickly as possible. No reason to hang around and fight your way out of "Indian country" against the bad guy's fighters. Just RUN! Why have stuff hanging from your wings when you're doing that? Especially any ECM equipment. I imagine as soon as the nuke went off it would be worthless anyway from the electromagnetic pulse. Hi Mark, Sometimes the idea for a what-if such as the Strike Voodoo looks great in your imagination but to actually craft one from the available kits and accessories it may turn out to be impractical. That being said, most of my What-If schemes are grounded in real aircraft and weapons systems that did exist but might never have been applied towards a specific mission. Case in point, the Strike Voodoo being based on the F-101B. The countermeasures pods (jammers and dispensers) might have been desirable after the Russian and Warsaw Pact air defense system become better integrated. After the introduction of the look down radar capability that was introduced with later generations of Russian fighter/interceptor aircraft like the MiG-23 Flogger it might well have been the difference between success or failure of a strike mission with penetration aids such as the jamming pods or chaff dispensers being the necessary and needed force multiplier that allowed the mission to succeed where it would not, had these devices not been carried. As far as the carriage of air to air missiles on this Strike Voodoo goes, that might be nice but certainly not practical as you say. If the strike aircraft is given the option to turn and fight instead of hitting the target at the prescribed TOT in accordance with the strke plan. The Strike Voodoo has been a project for several years on my to do list of what if projects. I have the aircraft, just need the details on what to add or remove from it. The wing mounted stores pylons have been one of those things that has held me back for quite some time now. I wanted to know as much as I could about the things before cutting plastic and making it happen. Still have plenty of other what-if projects on the list ahead of the Voodoo but in time, that project may get a bit further than just a note on a list.
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