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Post by Mark O on Apr 13, 2013 7:22:04 GMT 9
It is very difficult to see a thin, yellow stripe in a B&W photograph, and almost as hard in color, but I was able to make a quick search, and came up with these photos. I zoomed in as much as I could, and put arrows where the yellow stripes are. (You should be able to see them! Trust me! I hope some of y'all do not have to squint too much!) I couldn't find a decent belly shot, but there may be one out there. In any event, I hope these help...    |
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Post by Jim on Apr 13, 2013 7:25:02 GMT 9
Sorry Jim - but the forward jack point was forward of the Nose wheel well. It was almost directly below the IR head and the point where the cockpit forward wind screen blended into the upper fuselage. Actually it was by the lower right side of the RADAR door. As for opening the 05 door, I found that by getting in a bent over-crouched position I could hold the door with my shoulder and then unscrew the last two camlocks. I would let he door come to rest n my shoulder then move outboard and let the dood come down against me - SLOWLY! In the end of the proram, the 05 door was entirely devoid of anything attached to it other than the internal UHF antenna. You could hold it with one hand to open and close. Just had to get that first camlock into position right away. MArv    Sorry MArv, but the fwd jack point was located aft of the nose wheel well. It was also located on the center line of the fuselage... To repair damage when a/c jumped off nose jack during CG transfer testing, we had to remove fuselage fuel cell to gain access. The jack also had to be positioned so that 2 legs were at right angles to the fuselage centerline so that the jack was directly under the jack point- would be cocked because of tire contact. It is 53 years ago, I could be wrong- but don't think so...... 3 primary jack points/tie downs were marked by an anchor symbol The Old Sarge Apology here MArv........One thing about being half right, I was also half wrong.... Now I will try and remember what damage we had to remove the fuselage fuel cell for. We had to bolt it in like the cornfield bomber because they felt that we would crack the casting. The Old slipping memory Sarge..... My apology to my old weeeeennnie friend MArv. Another benefit was we got another photograph posted |
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Post by Jim on Apr 13, 2013 7:29:06 GMT 9
Believe stripes indicate where lifting sling or a support cradle would be placed. Jack point would be in this area. If the jack point was as MArv indicates, (IR head right side of center?) there would have been one on the other side to prevent asymmetrical (twisting) imbalance on a structural member
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Post by LBer1568 on Apr 13, 2013 8:11:39 GMT 9
As I remember the front jack point was forward of the nose wheel well on centerline of course. It was actually about equal distance between rear of MA-1 front doors and front of wheel cover. I did many Bore sighting of all MA-1 components using A/C on jacks and leveled. We had bore sight stand out at exactly 1000 inches from the bulkhead holding the radar antenna. We also had to have the jack stand aligned so we could do rail bore sights. We had a whole package of bore sight adaptors and a monocular scope with about 5 power glass. It's also funny in a way, but we also aligned the Angle of attack vane as part of total alignment.
The optical sight was also dropped down and aligned to same stand out at 1000 inches.
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Post by LBer1568 on Apr 13, 2013 8:15:02 GMT 9
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Post by Jim on Apr 13, 2013 9:17:14 GMT 9
One thing about being only half right, I was also half wrong.... Now I will try and remember what damage we had to remove the fuselage fuel cell for. We had to bolt it in like the cornfield bomber because they felt that we would crack the casting. The Old slipping memory Sarge..... My apology to my old weeeeennnie friend MArv. Another benefit was we got another photograph posted |
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Post by pat perry on Apr 13, 2013 10:01:39 GMT 9
Believe stripes indicate where lifting sling or a support cradle would be placed. Jack point would be in this area. If the jack point was as MArv indicates, (IR head right side of center?) there would have been one on the other side to prevent asymmetrical (twisting) imbalance on a structural member Jim, you may be correct on the yellow stripes being a sling or cradle area for lifting. I don't recall ever seeing the two yellow stripes on any of our 456th FIS birds. But I do remember seeing guys having a hard time lifting that hinged door. Some guys with long legs would lay on the ramp and push that door up while their buddy screwed in a few fasteners to hold it. I just found a pic of 57-2486 with the jack installed fore of the nose wheel well. It was in for engine change and landing gear retraction during a periodic dock inspection.. I don't remember ever seeing a jack point aft of the nose wheel well but I could be wrong. Wish we had a full set of TO's to refer to. Pat P. |
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Post by ma1marv on Apr 13, 2013 10:04:27 GMT 9
Jim - I'll take a sip o "DEW" for the apology! Now - the aircraft you removed the fuel cell from - was it perhaps the "6" that had the air flask blow up?  That has been a while! As for that boresight board - He is correct - we boresighted all those components to it - including all four rails. The optical sight was the worst for me. Make an adjustment, swing it up -down - then look again and it was off - in a different direction. So we generally had to make the adjustment several tmes before it was close. I could NEVER understnd why we had to be so precise with the Special Weapon sight when it was just a proximity bomb!!! MArv |
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Post by jeep3 on Apr 14, 2013 3:44:25 GMT 9
When I clicked on the reply up in the RH corner of a post, my screen goes back to the e-mails, anyone know why? - so will do it this a way. Thanks Mark & all you fellas for the help with the yellow stripes. Will put them on this 106 since it has the markings for 1972 5th FIS. Like Pastor Jim said, in the early years he didn't recall any stripes & neither do I. The next model I build will be the early one so will leave them off. The painting instructions said to paint the LH lite under the wing red & the RH green. There are no instructions for the top side of the wing. Would appreciate some advice about this. Getting close to camera time - thanks guys.
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Post by MOW on Apr 14, 2013 6:56:37 GMT 9
When I clicked on the reply up in the RH corner of a post, my screen goes back to the e-mails, anyone know why? - so will do it this a way. Thanks Mark & all you fellas for the help with the yellow stripes. Will put them on this 106 since it has the markings for 1972 5th FIS. Like Pastor Jim said, in the early years he didn't recall any stripes & neither do I. The next model I build will be the early one so will leave them off. The painting instructions said to paint the LH lite under the wing red & the RH green. There are no instructions for the top side of the wing. Would appreciate some advice about this. Getting close to camera time - thanks guys. Not sure why jeep3 what browser are you using? Have you cleared your browser's cookies, history, cache out lately? |
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Post by Mark O on Apr 14, 2013 8:28:16 GMT 9
The painting instructions said to paint the LH lite under the wing red & the RH green. There are no instructions for the top side of the wing. Would appreciate some advice about this. Getting close to camera time - thanks guys. Here is a photo of 57-2533 on display at the Kelly Annex in San Antonio. This is the red navigation light on the underside of the left wing. Notice how the forward part of the lens is red, and the aft is clear. The right wing is just the same except it is obviously green/clear. The top of the wing is the same, and you can see the locations immediately above the lower lenses just outboard of the elevons in the second photo. Hope this helps!   |
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Post by jeep3 on Apr 15, 2013 11:32:19 GMT 9
Thanks again Mark
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Post by jeep3 on Jan 31, 2014 2:39:50 GMT 9
Getting ready to build another "6" to display at our Legion Post. I purchased a set of decals from Sprue Brothers LLC which said the kit part number "The six Pt 4 #48219" had the markings of the 460th FIS, Grand Forks AFB, ND and also the ones for the 5th FIS, Minot AFB, ND. The kit has drop tank decals for th 460th but not for the 5th FIS. Do anyone out there know where I could get a set of decals with the old FIS markings which have the drop tank decals? Ben looking but so far, no luck!
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Post by Mark O on Jan 31, 2014 16:38:58 GMT 9
Getting ready to build another "6" to display at our Legion Post. I purchased a set of decals from Sprue Brothers LLC which said the kit part number "The six Pt 4 #48219" had the markings of the 460th FIS, Grand Forks AFB, ND and also the ones for the 5th FIS, Minot AFB, ND. The kit has drop tank decals for th 460th but not for the 5th FIS. Do anyone out there know where I could get a set of decals with the old FIS markings which have the drop tank decals? Ben looking but so far, no luck! I have the same decal set. It was produced by Eagle Strike Productions. (It was my "Decal of the Day" over on the Facebook F-106 group on January 26th, in fact.) The markings for 57-0237, 5th FIS, were based on this photograph. There were no external tank markings in the photo, so they didn't make any. I suspect there were NOT any markings on the supersonic, external tanks with that tail flash design, as the only early markings I have seen were on the SUBSONIC tanks. Jim Too may have more info, and I can ask over on the Facebook page as well. You can see what I mean in the links, and photo below. The photo of 57-0236 with the markings on the subsonic tanks is here. www.f-106deltadart.com/lineage/57023604Large.htmlThis is the page for '237. www.f-106deltadart.com/lineage/570237Page.htmlEDIT: By the way, Eagle Strike had notoriously bad comments in their F-106 decal instructions. For example, in the instructions for this particular decal set they say those markings for 57-0237 were from 1974. Wrong. They are from approximately 1971 when the photo below was taken. By 1974 the 5th was using the new-style markings. Perhaps they got confused in that '237 crashed in 1974.
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Post by Mark O on Feb 1, 2014 1:49:12 GMT 9
Okay Jeep, I got this reply from Tom Foard over on Facebook... "The supersonic tanks had no markings in 1971 when I got to Minot. When we changed over to the new tail flash in 1972, they added markings to the externals. We had just finished repainting all the jets when, in early 1973 ADC dictated that all units remove all tail flashes. By the time I separated from the Air Force in May 1973 they were starting to paint the flashes back on. I suppose ADC miscalculated the hit that morale took when they dictated the grey tails."
So, no need to look for external tank markings. There weren't any. (P.S. We still need pics of your models!)  Mark O |
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Post by jeep3 on Feb 2, 2014 4:57:15 GMT 9
thanks for the info Mark. I didn't remember the subsonic tanks w/o the decals. Will try to get some pics for you guys. thanks again
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Post by Mark O on Feb 2, 2014 13:04:20 GMT 9
thanks for the info Mark. I didn't remember the subsonic tanks w/o the decals. Will try to get some pics for you guys. thanks again No problem! I learn something every time I research something like that. Specifically, now I know why there are so many pics of Sixes from several squadrons with just the unit insignia on the tail. (Versus the entire tail flash.) I never knew that ADC "went grey" for a time. Makes perfect sense now! |
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