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Post by Mark O on Mar 26, 2010 5:52:46 GMT 9
Sitting in class today our instructor (who's never met a word he didn't like!) started talking about infamous C-130 crashes, and mentioned one where there was a couple survivors, blah, blah, blah. Okay, he started talking about different incidents where folks survived. He mentioned an unknown F-106 ejection from the early '60s where the pilot ejected, but the seat did not seperate and the pilot rode it down onto a snow-packed mountain, and survived. That's all the details he mentioned, and we pressed onto other subjects.
Does that ring a bell to anyone?
I'll pimp my instructor for more info tomorrow.
Mark
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Post by daoleguy A.J. Hoehn (deceased) on Mar 26, 2010 7:14:21 GMT 9
Mark that might have been an incident in the early 70's out of Griffiss. The seat fired but the pilot didn't separate. From what I heard he survived impact only to die from exposure.
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Post by lauren044 on Mar 26, 2010 7:48:01 GMT 9
Mark, When I was at the Griff 69-72 we had a young captain eject from a F-106A in 70 or 71, his engine went into after burner and wouldn't dissengage.........they told him to put it into a dive and eject. The recovery team said that the impact of the F-106A when it hit the bolder which was about 50 feet in diameter moved it 100 feet, the pilot got out with a broken left arm. As I recall he was walking with a limp and his back was a bit bruised too from the ejection. Lauren
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Post by Gene on Mar 26, 2010 8:39:05 GMT 9
has this one been listed under the "ejections" section??
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Mar 26, 2010 8:57:58 GMT 9
Mark, according to Jack Broughton, there were no successful ejections with the rocket seat. He, and other commanders, fought like mad to get a reliable ejection seat for the Six. He goes in to quite a bit of detail in his most recent book, "Rupert Red Two".
Every ejection with the original rotating rocket seat ended up with the pilot dead.
I never heard of any partial ejection that the pilot survived the crash.
We had one at Minot in the early Sixties that the pilot rode it in to a snowy field near Flasher, North Dakota, South of Bismarck, with the seat rotated.
Maybe the instructor can give you more details.
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Post by Bullhunter on Mar 26, 2010 14:49:26 GMT 9
Why in the hell would you want to build up speed for ejection? I'd put the jet into a climb and pop the speed brakes and slow it down then eject. By-the-way, Wouldn't the Engine T-handle cut-off the engine? : :fire_missle_ani
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Post by cc790 on Mar 26, 2010 20:23:39 GMT 9
Why in the hell would you want to build up speed for ejection? I'd put the jet into a climb and pop the speed brakes and slow it down then eject. By-the-way, Wouldn't the Engine T-handle cut-off the engine? If he put it in a dive it may have been to prevent another pilotless landing. Why not just turn the fuel off, flame it out, and try to restart. :
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Post by Jim on Mar 27, 2010 1:28:50 GMT 9
Why in the hell would you want to build up speed for ejection? I'd put the jet into a climb and pop the speed brakes and slow it down then eject. By-the-way, Wouldn't the Engine T-handle cut-off the engine? If he put it in a dive it may have been to prevent another pilotless landing. Why not just turn the fuel off, flame it out, and try to restart. Being as how there was no mechanical linkage between the throttle and the a/b fuel control, shutting the engine down to flame it out and the resulting loss of DC power, along with shutting off the battery should have allowed the solenoid in the control to have closed.. Restart should then have been possible either by windmill or combustion/ air start....... After turning the battery back on of course.... T handle ?
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Post by cc790 on Mar 27, 2010 1:49:26 GMT 9
.... T handle ?[/quote] I don't remember any fire suppresion on the six. If memery serves, it had two fire loops (a & b or 1 & 2). It would flash with an overheat and go steady with fire. But I just don't remember any fire bottles on board.
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Post by lauren044 on Mar 27, 2010 7:19:08 GMT 9
When that ejection happened I was a A1C new to the F-106A/B and learning ther hydraulic systems. I only passed on what I was told (hear-say). As to the throttle cut off etc. I profess no knoweledge of that or the engine system and its workings.
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Post by tmbak on Mar 28, 2010 0:40:35 GMT 9
There were successful ejections with the rocket seat. When I was stationed at McChord in the early 60's we had one pilot who ejected twice from the F-106 with the rocket seat. After the second time he got out of the Air Force.
One of the major problems with the seat is that it would start up the seat rail, rotate and then stop. There was a small universal joint under the seat that was determined to be the major problem.
I remember seeing a list in the late 60's, when I was at a conference at the F-106 depot, that showed all of the ejections that were attempted with the rocket seat. If I remember right there was a 9 out of 10 failure rate with the seat.
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Post by Jeff Shannon on Mar 28, 2010 18:02:37 GMT 9
Ive never heard of anyone "riding the seat" down and surviving, even at a low level ejection, or even a Zero-Zero ejection. when you eject you pull some heavy "G's" I cant remember the number now (darn it) the seats are pretty heavy, then add survival kit weight, Parachute, and pilot, all this hitting the ground. even in snow, if it's hard it would be like landing on cement and if it's soft you would sink like a stone in a pond. Shoot come to think of it I would have had a heart attack if I realized the seat didn't separate and I was riding it to the ground. The only story I remember is a skydiver landing in snow somewhere in Europe in the 70's with a total chute failure who lived. I sure there are others, just haven't heard of an ejection. Partial ejection, the one which comes to mind is Lt. Gallagher US Navy, B/N he partial ejected thru the canopy of an A-6 and the pilot landed on a carrier with him still hanging out of the canopy strapped into the seat. you can read more about it here www.gallagher.com/ejection_seat/I'll do some research on it and see what I can come up with.
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Post by biendhoa on Mar 29, 2010 5:00:56 GMT 9
I happen to be lucky enough to have got the oppertunity to ride the training rocket seat at Tyndall.It was just like the actual seat only it was operated by high pressure air.When you pulled the handle it locked your feet in the pan ,slapped you in the ass and sent you up the rails for around ten feet or so and rotated you for rocket ride.
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Post by Gene on Mar 29, 2010 5:43:24 GMT 9
Ive never heard of anyone "riding the seat" down and surviving, even at a low level ejection, or even a Zero-Zero ejection. when you eject you pull some heavy "G's" I cant remember the number now (darn it) the seats are pretty heavy, then add survival kit weight, Parachute, and pilot, all this hitting the ground. even in snow, if it's hard it would be like landing on cement and if it's soft you would sink like a stone in a pond. Shoot come to think of it I would have had a heart attack if I realized the seat didn't separate and I was riding it to the ground. The only story I remember is a skydiver landing in snow somewhere in Europe in the 70's with a total chute failure who lived. I sure there are others, just haven't heard of an ejection. Partial ejection, the one which comes to mind is Lt. Gallagher US Navy, B/N he partial ejected thru the canopy of an A-6 and the pilot landed on a carrier with him still hanging out of the canopy strapped into the seat. you can read more about it here www.gallagher.com/ejection_seat/I'll do some research on it and see what I can come up with. back in the late '70's there was a young lady who had a "total mal function" fro 10000 and survived...can't rememberv if she was crippled or not... also back in the '70's the russians dropped about 500 para's in the snow, low level, without chutes as a test... it made me feel good about being an american
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Mar 30, 2010 2:03:39 GMT 9
The humble, low and slow, de Havilland Beaver, L-20/U-6, doesn't come close to being a supersonic jet fighter. Not even in your wildest dreams. However, it has an ejection system. Well, sort of. The first time I flew in one, at The SCAB, the pilot gave us a briefing on how to get out of the Beaver in and emergency. There were four of us going to Dicky Goober to fix a Saber Dog. The first thing that would happen is the pilot yelling at you that we were going to abandon ship. You probably would have noticed that the cooling fan on the front of the engine had quit turning, and it got very quiet. Chances are you would not be asleep during the flight. The Beaver is, to say the least, noisy, bouncy, and the back seat is not very comfortable. At that point the pilot would grab a handle next to the pilot seat and pull it. The pulling of the handle pulled the pins on the back doors. The back doors would fall off in to the empty air. Then the back seat passengers would go out the door and, as they fell through the air, the passengers would pull the rip cord and then ride the silk elevator down to the ground. The pilot, and whoever was in the right seat, would pull the handle under the front of those seats. As they pulled the handles, they would push back on the seats. That would cause the seats to fall back to the back seat. Then the pilot, and the guy in the right seat, would roll out the openings where the back doors had been. They, too, would fall in to open air and then open their chutes and await the gentle landing on Terra Firma. I have been told that it was possible to get out the front doors with a chute on your back, but pretty tight quarters in an emergency. Thus the "ejection" system. I never heard of anyone bailing out of a Beaver. They are so tough and able to land on just about any surface longer than a dollar bill, there may not be much need to jump out while in flight. Bur, Air Force regulations said the passengers had to be briefed. On the way home from Dicky Goober there was no briefing. Just get in and go. Jim Too :god_bless_usa
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Post by Mark O on Mar 30, 2010 9:19:18 GMT 9
Ive never heard of anyone "riding the seat" down and surviving, even at a low level ejection, or even a Zero-Zero ejection. when you eject you pull some heavy "G's" I cant remember the number now (darn it) the seats are pretty heavy, then add survival kit weight, Parachute, and pilot, all this hitting the ground. even in snow, if it's hard it would be like landing on cement and if it's soft you would sink like a stone in a pond. Shoot come to think of it I would have had a heart attack if I realized the seat didn't separate and I was riding it to the ground. The only story I remember is a skydiver landing in snow somewhere in Europe in the 70's with a total chute failure who lived. I sure there are others, just haven't heard of an ejection. Partial ejection, the one which comes to mind is Lt. Gallagher US Navy, B/N he partial ejected thru the canopy of an A-6 and the pilot landed on a carrier with him still hanging out of the canopy strapped into the seat. you can read more about it here www.gallagher.com/ejection_seat/I'll do some research on it and see what I can come up with. Col. Bud Day survived a no-chute ejection in 1955 (or 1957, I don't have my book with me) from an F-84 when he was in England. As I recall he landed in some trees. The chute did not open. BTW, if you get a chance, find his book "American Patriot." Well worth the read. He's one tough SOB!! Mark Edit: Link to his book... www.amazon.com/American-Patriot-Life-Wars-Colonel/dp/0316067393/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269908311&sr=8-3
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Post by gogitem on May 30, 2010 13:32:51 GMT 9
May just be urban legend, but.... Dover AFB is surrounded by marshlands. As a kid ('66-'68) I spent plenty of time out there are can personally attest that the thick, pudding-like mud is very very deep. So as the story goes, a 'Six' flames out just after takeoff out over the marshes the pilot ejects. He's on seat-oxygen and his chute "streamers" (partial malfunction, so he's got something slowing him down). He hits the muck and is buried alive. Watching in amazement from their duck-blind (the Dover area was great for hunting), two seargents rushed over where they found a bit of the pilot's unburried streamer, and pulling hard, they managed to pluck the guy and his life from the muck. Anyone heard of that one?
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Post by Jeff Shannon on May 30, 2010 21:53:57 GMT 9
May just be urban legend, but.... Dover AFB is surrounded by marshlands. As a kid ('66-'68) I spent plenty of time out there are can personally attest that the thick, pudding-like mud is very very deep. So as the story goes, a 'Six' flames out just after takeoff out over the marshes the pilot ejects. He's on seat-oxygen and his chute "streamers" (partial malfunction, so he's got something slowing him down). He hits the muck and is buried alive. Watching in amazement from their duck-blind (the Dover area was great for hunting), two seargents rushed over where they found a bit of the pilot's unburried streamer, and pulling hard, they managed to pluck the guy and his life from the muck. Anyone heard of that one? I haven't heard of this one before, but if this guy ejected during take off seat/man separation would have happened right after ejection.
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Post by Bullhunter on May 31, 2010 0:25:03 GMT 9
My Dad told me a story during WWII of a crew member of a B-17 that was on fire. The crew was jumping out but his parachute was in the fire. is options were to ride the aircraft into the ground and burn with it or jump. He jumped and hit some big fir trees before he hit the ground. Story goes that he hit the branches just right to slow his fall. He was beat up and cut but he survived. Real luck man.
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Post by flyingfist on Sept 9, 2010 6:45:56 GMT 9
I heard sketchy details of the commander of the 328th Fighter Wing at R-G, Col. Bastian, having ejected from what I seem to recall was the original 106 seat and permanently burned the hair off the back of his head. Don't know what truth there was to it and didn't ask, even when we had a one-to-one talk in his office when I first arrived there. Also heard of one of our 71st FIS pilots that punched out over Alaska earlier in the 60's and had to live in survival mode for several days or more before being rescued. Can't remember his name and, now that I think of it, just assumed it was a 106 but not sure. Any further details of either of these incidents would be appreciated. Oh, also met a pilot when TDY in Okinawa that the 71st pilot I was with said "is the one" that could not reduce throttle and on approach cut fuel switches. But when the fuel never shut off, he touched down still balls-to-the-wall, dropped his hook, engaged the cable, pulled the stick back and ejected the 106 as it dragged the cable behind it. It was written up in the ADC publication, I remember, but don't remember the issue (I think I have it tho in the archives).
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