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Post by Jim on Sept 14, 2010 0:28:41 GMT 9
Damn, all the mass loads and demo loads I did for ADC, and I can't be positive of the stowed position of the Genie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Old Sarge
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Post by Mark O on Sept 14, 2010 1:16:07 GMT 9
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Post by victoralert on Sept 14, 2010 2:08:47 GMT 9
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Post by f89j1905 on Jan 11, 2011 15:32:43 GMT 9
Victoralert, the Genie didn't need any air conditioning or heating. The weapons bay on the F-106, and on the F-101 were not heated or cooled. The Genie was hung on a wing station of the F-89J, and there it was hanging out in the air, no matter the temperature or other conditions. One tough missile, just like the others the Six and other Interceptors carried. Jim Too  |
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Post by f89j1905 on Jan 11, 2011 15:39:02 GMT 9
Don't want to be a nit picker but the Genie was an unguided Rocket not a Missile. The rocket motor had a fiberglass heater blanket and the storage cells had stepdown transformers so that heater blanket voltage could be supplied in extreme cold weather. There was also a heater blanket that could be put on that covered the entire rocket when it was hung on the F-89J.
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Post by Jim on Jan 12, 2011 0:21:53 GMT 9
Don't want to be a nit picker but the Genie was an unguided Rocket not a Missile. The rocket motor had a fiberglass heater blanket and the storage cells had stepdown transformers so that heater blanket voltage could be supplied in extreme cold weather. There was also a heater blanket that could be put on that covered the entire rocket when it was hung on the F-89J. Right in regards to the type of projectile........... I was told many years ago that if it had any sort of guidance system, it was a missile, otherwise it was a rocket, such as the 2.75 Mickey Mouse folding fin and the 4 " rockets and the MB1 genie and its variants..... You should know, because I was also taught that the MB1 was designed and intended to be launched by the F-89.......... I think that the 465th FIS/49th FIS at Griffiss had a mixture of 89Js and other models before they got the 101..... ( I was a member of both outfits for 10 days before I went back to the 27th FIS and headed for Loring)... The Old Sarge |
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Post by f89j1905 on Jan 12, 2011 7:20:20 GMT 9
 VA, the F-101B originally carried six AIM rockets. Two on each main panel of the rotating missile carrier, and one on each side. They were modified to carry two AIMs on one flat panel, two Genies on the other one. They did away with the AIMs on the edges. When they would land, and taxi to their parking place, the crew chief would open a panel and use a switch to rotate the missile panel to about a 45 degree position. That way the weapons crew could check, and de-arm all four missiles. When the plane got ready to take off, the missiles were re-armed, and the panel rotated to have the AIMs on the outside. It was not a complex system, just had to know how to do it. Needless to say, the missile platform was pretty long to hold the rockets, and the bay was deep enough to allow for the panel to rotate and keep the Genies out of sight. It was more work to install a new drogue chute, than to do the missile platform. You had to use a stand to install the chute, the missile panel was below eye level. Jim Too -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm confused by the statement about the Falcons on the F-101 rotary door,"two on each main panel and one on each side"? f89j1905
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Jan 12, 2011 9:12:01 GMT 9
Jim, here is my source for the six missiles. Don't ask why I wrote there was one on each side of the platform. Must have been a senior moment. Jim Too :god_bless_usa www.fisrg.com/F101info3.htmlThe F-101B retained the center and rear fuselage sections and the wing and tail surfaces of the F/RF-101A. However, it had a revised forward fuselage housing the MG-13 fire control system with automatic search and track mode, a two-seat tandem cockpit with pilot in front and radar operator in the rear, a retractable flight refuelling probe in front of the pilot's cockpit, and an all-missile armament. The internal fuel capacity was reduced to 2053 gallons to provide more room for electronic equipment and armament. Since the F-101B was heavier than its single-seat predecessor, it employed larger tires with a beefed-up undercarriage. Bulges had to be installed in the lower gear doors and in the undersides of the fuselage in order to accommodate the larger tires. Armament consisted of six Hughes GAR-1 semi-active radar homing or GAR-2 infrared-homing Falcon missiles carried on and launched from a rotary armament door covering the fuselage bay beneath and behind the rear cockpit. Three missiles were attached to recessed slots on each side of the door, with three missiles sitting outside exposed and three inside. After the first three missiles were launched, the door was flipped over, exposing the other three. |
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Post by f89j1905 on Jan 12, 2011 15:54:03 GMT 9
I knew of the six Falcon configuration, 3 and 3 but it sounded like 2 on each side of the door and 1 on a pylon on each side. Now it's clear.
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