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Post by daoleguy A.J. Hoehn (deceased) on Apr 1, 2010 10:02:49 GMT 9
Okay, we know the gun was installed only on A-models with vertical tape instruments, and no B-models had vertical tape, so does that have anything to do with it? Which begs the question, why the gun just on the vertical tape instrumented aircraft? Thanks! Mark Not true. All the B's I worked at the Griff and Loring were verticle scale equiped. (1969 - 1973 timeframe). AJ
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Post by Mark O on Apr 1, 2010 11:48:33 GMT 9
Well, cool! Thanks guys! :thanks I don't know why I never knew that. Guess it never came up.
So why did they just put the gun on the ones with vertical tapes then?
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Post by marv2 on Apr 1, 2010 12:12:46 GMT 9
I don't know the answer to that Mark, except to ask another question. I worked Insturments on 6's for years, but never worked a round eye, did they also have the CPU-111, (air data computer)? Might be the clue for the gun if they didn't have it. But again I do not know so don't beat me up....
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Apr 1, 2010 21:21:49 GMT 9
The coffin rack in the B model was in the way for mounting the gun. Also didn't the round eyes go to the Guard first? Orginally they had an 823 and 646 for the Air Data Computer, I don't remember if they were mod for CPU 111. :
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Post by daoleguy A.J. Hoehn (deceased) on Apr 2, 2010 8:57:16 GMT 9
Not sure but the bulk of SIXES by 70 were pretty much all tape. I only saw a few roundeyes and that was at Tyndall. Looked weird. Yes the old 646 was the black can ADC at first. I think it was in 72 the CPU-111V mod was initiated. They sent my butt to Atlanta for famiiarization school for a week on the unit. I recall the TCTO change over was a pain in the ass. (So was the Nucleonic Oil Qty TCTO - That was a joke!)
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Apr 2, 2010 21:47:43 GMT 9
According to Erv Smalley web site there were 88A &23B with round eyes, 35 were mod Test-To-Tac. They got new fusealage from aft missle bay forward to the radome ie new electronics cockpit ect. The round eyes that were at Castle went Oxnard, Kalmath Falls, Great Falls,and then MT Guard in 72.
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Post by cc790 on Apr 3, 2010 8:52:31 GMT 9
I can confirm the MT guard sixes were round eye.
They would come to Minot for re-interductions.
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Post by oswald on Apr 4, 2010 1:31:50 GMT 9
um. Just what is a round eye?
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Post by marv2 on Apr 4, 2010 1:48:39 GMT 9
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Post by oswald on Apr 4, 2010 5:46:19 GMT 9
Thanks for clearing that up Marv2. The bottom photo is something I haven't seen before.
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Apr 4, 2010 21:37:38 GMT 9
The Vertical had a 420 unit instead of a 823 before the CPU-111 Mod. Both were a bitch to change to many plugs, But hardest to changewere the xfer boxes in rear seat of any B model. Also there was pitch G accormeter mounted above the rt wing aft of the intake. It seem like it was mounted then the skin was put on, saftie wired bolts and plug what a pain.
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Post by LBer1568 on May 13, 2010 1:57:23 GMT 9
All the birds at McGuire were round-eyes. Part of them went to Dover, also round eye squadron, and the rest to Tyndall. I had the pleasure of mostly working round-eyes since aI was at McGuire 1964-1967 and transferred to Tyndall in 1967 until cross-training to Flight Sims in 1971. I worked first gun birds as well at Tyndall. Coffin rack kept guns from B'Models. Retirement is great and even though I loved the six, I can say cross-training out gave me much more free-time. MA-1 was plagued with overtime while I worked them. We just expected to work normal shifts, except alerts, and then every 3rd weekend was 12-hour bouts. Don't remember getting much comp-time either while a MA-1 guy. We definately weren't the Maytag guys. Lorin Berry Retired CMSgt
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Post by sixerviper on Jun 16, 2010 11:58:39 GMT 9
If memory serves, the original CADC system in the Six consisted of the 320, 420, 646, and 721 units, all in the nose wheel well. The 646 was the ADC and was held in by two straps that you couldn't overtighten because it would cause the gear trains inside it to bind. The 420 was on the rt. side of the wheel well and was the Air Data Converter. The 320 (if I remember right) had something to do with vertical velocity, and the 721 was the AOA converter.
All except the 721 were replaced by the CPU-111. My experience at Duluth and Minot was that the CPU-111 was far superior to the old system.
Incidentally, the CPU-111 was also installed in the F-105, but all three modules on it were different from those on the Six. The middle module on the Thud's CADC was dedicated either to the "D" model or to the "F" model. There was also one for the "B" model. This is in contrast with the F-106 modules which were marked "F106A/B". :e8new
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Post by victoralert on Sept 12, 2010 5:44:31 GMT 9
I a thread somewhere there was talk about boxes in the nose wheel well. I said I'd get photo's on one of my trips there to the McChord Museum. So here thery are. Sorry I can't find the thread. I anyone recalls which thread maybe someone can move this post over to it Hello Bullhunter, I have read the weapon bay F-111 is air conditioned and is heated. As grounds the AGM-69 SRAMs are called. These nuclear rockets need special conditions in the weapon bay. Does the nuclear Genie need rocket also such special conditions, was the weapon bay F-106 air conditioned or similar?
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Sept 12, 2010 12:41:49 GMT 9
Victoralert, the Genie didn't need any air conditioning or heating.
The weapons bay on the F-106, and on the F-101 were not heated or cooled.
The Genie was hung on a wing station of the F-89J, and there it was hanging out in the air, no matter the temperature or other conditions.
One tough missile, just like the others the Six and other Interceptors carried.
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Post by victoralert on Sept 12, 2010 17:15:20 GMT 9
Victoralert, the Genie didn't need any air conditioning or heating. The weapons bay on the F-106, and on the F-101 were not heated or cooled. ... Hello Jim, Thanks for your answer. How many Genie rockets could one accommodate, actually, in the weapon bay? I read different information. This is very bewildering . I see four Falcon rockets in the weapon bay place found. www.dataviewbooks.com/genie-rocket.htmlMay I put here this question: I think this the Genie rockets of F-101 not in the weapon bay hung separate outside? But I can wander. 1.1.1.1/bmi/www.456fis.org/F-106/genie.jpgVA
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Sept 13, 2010 7:09:48 GMT 9
VA, the F-101B originally carried six AIM rockets. Two on each main panel of the rotating missile carrier, and one on each side.
They were modified to carry two AIMs on one flat panel, two Genies on the other one. They did away with the AIMs on the edges.
When they would land, and taxi to their parking place, the crew chief would open a panel and use a switch to rotate the missile panel to about a 45 degree position. That way the weapons crew could check, and de-arm all four missiles. When the plane got ready to take off, the missiles were re-armed, and the panel rotated to have the AIMs on the outside.
It was not a complex system, just had to know how to do it.
Needless to say, the missile platform was pretty long to hold the rockets, and the bay was deep enough to allow for the panel to rotate and keep the Genies out of sight.
It was more work to install a new drogue chute, than to do the missile platform. You had to use a stand to install the chute, the missile panel was below eye level.
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Post by victoralert on Sept 13, 2010 23:40:45 GMT 9
Hello, I have made a drawing. I would like to know with pleasure the arrangement of the rockets in the weapon bay. With the red colour I have marked the Falcon rockets and with the white colour I have marked the Genie rockets.
I have chosen variations because I do not know how many Genie rockets in which position were used.
Unfortunately, I cannot sign very well. I have shown the rockets only schematically.
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Post by victoralert on Sept 13, 2010 23:43:52 GMT 9
or this?
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Post by victoralert on Sept 13, 2010 23:45:27 GMT 9
last variants VA
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