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Post by rockhpi on Oct 13, 2009 3:13:26 GMT 9
My dad was in the Air Force in the early 60s and has an interest in F-106s so I thought I'd build a model for him for his birthday. His job in the Air Force was to fix the yellow power units that, I believe, were used to start aircraft. I thought I'd make one of those as well, but I don't know if the F-106 used them, or if there was a particular kind they used. I don't want to ask my dad, as the model is a surprise. Can anyone shed light on this? Thanks in advance.
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Post by Jim on Oct 13, 2009 3:55:37 GMT 9
OK, you guys that were on the a/c in the 70-80s, your memory is sharper than mine, in addition to being younger................... Help the lad surprise his Dad................ The Old Sarge
BTW Pictures would really help the guy out.......................
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Post by adart on Oct 13, 2009 5:25:44 GMT 9
I have a snapshot of the power unit along a F106, but have no way of sending it. Sorry :scratch_head
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Post by MOW on Oct 13, 2009 6:08:48 GMT 9
It was the MD-3 Generator Set a portable unit designed to furnish AC and DC electrical power for the starting the Six and for ground maintenance power. And let's not forget the MC11 and MC1A Air Compressors
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Post by rockhpi on Oct 13, 2009 6:43:05 GMT 9
Thanks very much! Now I need to find a sneaky way of finding out if these were the ones he worked with...
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Post by daoleguy A.J. Hoehn (deceased) on Oct 13, 2009 6:58:09 GMT 9
There was also a power unit that plugged into the ramp electrically driven (EC someting I think - AGE guys chime in here). That was predominant in the 70's at Loring and Griffiss. The MD-3 was less used.
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Post by rockhpi on Oct 13, 2009 7:44:31 GMT 9
Well he was in the Air Force in 1963 when my sister was born, and I believe he was also there during the Cuban Missile Crisis, so 1961-1964, approximately.
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Post by daoleguy A.J. Hoehn (deceased) on Oct 13, 2009 8:25:18 GMT 9
Most likely MD-3 Generator Set then. Any one got a pic of the biz side of the unit with the cable and panel? Be sure to check out which squadron so you can get the tail plate design.
AJ
Edit: added line
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Post by kilroy on Oct 13, 2009 10:33:05 GMT 9
I thought the F-106 used the M-32A ground power unit,because of all the different voltages it used.
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Post by rockhpi on Oct 13, 2009 11:42:14 GMT 9
Ok, the plot thickens. I sent him your photo of the MD-3 (without telling him why) and he said:
"Yes, I worked on these. We had an older version called the C-26. They were used more for older aircraft. We had a much more sophisticated unit for the f- 106"
So I asked him if he remembered what it was. No answer yet.
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Post by jimpadgett on Oct 13, 2009 11:43:08 GMT 9
The A/M32A-13(engine driven) and AF/ECU-10M (electric motor driven) generators were used for power prior to the PUP (power upgrade program). The six was started with 3250 PSI air pressure at 15 CFM from an MC-11 air compressor. After the PUP power was supplied by MD-3 (engine driven) and an electric driven generator which I cannot remember the model designation of. Pat's pictures above show, from top to bottom, the MD-3, the MC-11 Joy compressor, and the MC-1A Joy compressor. MC-1A wasn't used to start aircraft but to service. The earlier versions of the MC-11 were made by both Ingersoll Rand and Worthington.
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Post by dude on Oct 13, 2009 12:44:24 GMT 9
I believe the all electric cart was the MD-4. I believe there may also have also been an MD-4A version. Anyone remember the designations for the ground cooling units? There was a gas and elecltric version.
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Post by MOW on Oct 13, 2009 19:50:03 GMT 9
C-26 MD-3
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Post by jimpadgett on Oct 13, 2009 22:51:11 GMT 9
Air conditioners: MA-3 Recony (engine driven), MA-3M manuf. (electric driven), A/M32C-5 Recony (electric driven). Man, these remembering exercises will drive the cobwebs out of your head.....or not!
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Oct 14, 2009 3:48:44 GMT 9
:confused Man, talk about cobwebs. All this talk about power carts has me wondering about the ones we used to start the pre-Century Series birds. The small one had a 4 cylinder aircraft engine and was a one-man mover. The bigger one was over 6 feet tall, about 8 feet long, and had a Chrysler V8 for power. We also had Jeeps with an extra 24 volt generator on top of the engine, it had a big blister on the hood. All of them were used on the line at The SCAB.
Thinking of equipment. What about Tugs? I remember the little tugs with a Dodge flat-head 6 engine in them that would go any place and could pull pretty big birds. We also had one that was a monster. Had a big engine and two steering wheels, one in the front and one in the back. All four wheels steered and you could almost turn that big dude in it's own length. It was pretty long, so not a big deal. It was as tall as a semi-tractor. Then there was the Coleman tug, with the crew seats in the back, out in the open, of course.
Can anybody come up with names and/or pictures?
Jim
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Post by dude on Oct 14, 2009 10:42:22 GMT 9
Air conditioners: MA-3 Recony (engine driven), MA-3M manuf. (electric driven), A/M32C-5 Recony (electric driven). Man, these remembering exercises will drive the cobwebs out of your head.....or not! Wow nice catch. I remember the beasty three now. Wasn't one of the electrics self propelled? :
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Post by rockhpi on Oct 14, 2009 11:01:02 GMT 9
Here's what he answered:
"ecu-10, m32a-13"
Thanks a lot for all your help! I'll try and post pics of the model if it's worth seeing.
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Post by MOW on Oct 14, 2009 19:49:38 GMT 9
Man, talk about cobwebs. All this talk about power carts has me wondering about the ones we used to start the pre-Century Series birds. The small one had a 4 cylinder aircraft engine and was a one-man mover. The bigger one was over 6 feet tall, about 8 feet long, and had a Chrysler V8 for power. We also had Jeeps with an extra 24 volt generator on top of the engine, it had a big blister on the hood. All of them were used on the line at The SCAB. Thinking of equipment. What about Tugs? I remember the little tugs with a Dodge flat-head 6 engine in them that would go any place and could pull pretty big birds. We also had one that was a monster. Had a big engine and two steering wheels, one in the front and one in the back. All four wheels steered and you could almost turn that big dude in it's own length. It was pretty long, so not a big deal. It was as tall as a semi-tractor. Then there was the Coleman tug, with the crew seats in the back, out in the open, of course. Can anybody come up with names and/or pictures? Jim MB4 Coleman's oh yea I remember those!
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Post by jimpadgett on Oct 15, 2009 23:21:19 GMT 9
The air conditioner I couldn't remember the maker of was Keco (a huge heavy brute of a thing). They all had propulsion systems to begin with but, could not be supported when shown to be unreliable and were disabled. A contributing factor was people running them into things. There were a lot of units with propulsion systems. The only ones that lasted were the MD-3 family and the -60 turbine compressors/generators. The MD-3 had a tendency to lunge at you and the -60 had a puzzling time delay. Oh, earlier power units. One with a four cylinder engine was the A-1. Sounded like a machine gun when running. The one with the four cylinder engine was a C-21, I think. The one with the Chrysler Fire Dome V8 was the A-7. All of those were 28 VDC output only. I remember the MB-4 Coleman. It was our go-to when we couldn't get AGE out of or through deep snow. Our Ford tractors, even with antifreeze in the tires were good but, not that good. And the Case tractors were a piece of cr*p. There was a later "Coleman" that had 4 wheel steering. Think it was designated an MB-4 also. The big monster was a Uke and did have 4 wheel steering. Don't remember the designation. We used it to tow the E-3As. The "little" tugs I remember were made by Clark, among others. They would pull OK if the ramp was dry but, had no traction in the snow. Plus the front end was a half inch steel plate that allowed only about 6 inches of ground clearance. Thanks. Cobwebs almost gone now. I am sure they'll be back though.
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Post by rockhpi on Dec 21, 2009 4:51:57 GMT 9
Thanks for all the help, guys. The F-106 is almost done and the power unit kit just arrived. I'm a bit late for his birthday but he'll get it at Christmas. Another question: The kit is for an M32A-60, not a -13...does anyone know the visual differences between the two (if any)? I can only find internet photos of the -60 and none of the -13 and I'm happy to modify it to a -13 f necessary. I did manaqe to confirm (at his 70th birthday party) that his units were yellow, not green (as were most of the photos I've seen).
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