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C-130's
Aug 22, 2009 12:23:20 GMT 9
Post by jimpadgett on Aug 22, 2009 12:23:20 GMT 9
A model or B model?
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C-130's
Aug 22, 2009 13:51:36 GMT 9
Post by Bullhunter on Aug 22, 2009 13:51:36 GMT 9
I have no idea. Mark likely can tell as he flys on them. Anyway if that C-17 lands on it - it will be an S model for squashed.
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C-130's
Aug 22, 2009 15:14:48 GMT 9
Post by Mark O on Aug 22, 2009 15:14:48 GMT 9
Neither actually. I'm pretty sure that's an MC-130W "Combat Spear". You can tell by the new style refueling pods. Mark P.S. We haven't flown any A or B models in years.
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C-130's
Aug 22, 2009 20:54:02 GMT 9
Post by jimpadgett on Aug 22, 2009 20:54:02 GMT 9
Think I would have a better eye having spent 2 years on Herks at "no hope Pope". Thanks.
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C-130's
Aug 23, 2009 21:42:31 GMT 9
Post by jimpadgett on Aug 23, 2009 21:42:31 GMT 9
Mmmmm? Pre 5BX. The large door forward was probably for oversize crew entry. LOL
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Post by Mark O on Aug 24, 2009 0:14:14 GMT 9
hey, guys, I took this C-130 photo with my "Brownie" camera at Scott AFB IL in 62. Is it first model? That is a C-130B. You can spot the B-models because they don't have external tanks. I don't remember when they got rid of the forward cargo door but I understand it was more trouble than it was worth. By the way, that plane, 61-0955 was written off after an accident at Ft. Cambell, KY in October, 1966. BTW Duy, can I use that photo? I'd like to post it on herkybirds.com. Thanks, Mark
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Post by Mark O on Aug 24, 2009 5:13:41 GMT 9
You can post the photo on herkybirds if you want. Maybe it will make photo of the week? The photo was taken in May 1962 at Scott AFB IL at their open house. Greg Duy Thanks Greg! That happened to be one of the tails they were missing from the Gallery so I know it will be well received. Mark
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 7, 2012 13:12:02 GMT 9
Morning mission
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 7, 2012 13:31:49 GMT 9
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Post by Mark O on Dec 8, 2012 1:03:05 GMT 9
[quote author=bullhunter board=photos thread=1319 post=38646 time=1354854709 Is that Mark's bird in the lead?[/quote] Nope. That is a VERY cool photo though! I have flown in some of their C-130s, but only over Iraq. Never in Japan. I did make a couple trips to Japan when I was on KC-135s, but never saw Mt. Fuji. Here's a shot of their "AF" bird (as opposed to a "wing" bird) I flew a few times. This was in 2008 in Baghdad waiting for our pax. 74-1690 may have had a nice paint job, but it was nothing special inside. No different than any of the other war horse Herks I flew.
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Post by LBer1568 on Dec 8, 2012 1:34:18 GMT 9
I would say that most C-130's flying today would be C-130H Models for Active duty along with some of the Super C-130's, the C-130J with it's six bladed props. The Guard/Reserve would mostly be C-130E/H models. Their were 3 versions of H models H-1 Early, H-2 middle and H-3 latest models for AF use. The Coast Guard, Navy and Marines also fly their own versions. The Marines use a lot of C-130K Tankers for helo's. Congress has kept the assembly line at Martin Marietta going continusly since 1955, not because the AF asked for them, but due to political pressure. Congress simply adds money to AF Budget and earmarks it for only C-130 purchases. Mark, does the MC-130W have the funny radome like all other MC versions? Could it be a HC-130P in McChord photo? They were the Rescue versions, used to be at Kirtland. lobby.la.psu.edu/_107th/092_C_130_Procurement/frameset_c_130.html
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Dec 8, 2012 1:47:58 GMT 9
Lorin said:
IMHO, this may be one thing the Parliament is doing right.
I know the 130 has been around since forever, but it still does the job, and with continual upgrades, no one has come up with a viable replacement.
Various companies have tried, but none, NONE, have measured up.
When you consider the number of combat missions some of those Old Girls have flown since their introduction, and are still flying, it is an amazing machine.
If any airplane has come close to replacing the C-47, it has to be the 130.
It, like the Gooney Bird, has become iconic.
I'm in favor of never shutting down that assembly line.
They are still being sold to other countries, for military and commercial purposes.
Long Live the Herc.
Jim Too
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Post by LBer1568 on Dec 8, 2012 2:12:40 GMT 9
Having worked C-130 Program from 1980 until 1998 in some fashion I got to meet almost all verrsions of C-130. I worked Tech Data/manuals for about 8 years. I led a Configuration Control/Identification project for WPAFB and went to over 16 bases to look over some of the different versions. Of course Hurbert AFB Fl had the widest selection since AFSOC has so many Special Birds. Many of the newer C-130H-3 aircraft were fitted with new Digital Low Power Color Radar, GPS Navigation add-ons etc. The AF also has many Compartmentilized Pallot/Containers which would roll onto a specially modded C-130 and hook up power and antenna and become different variations. Compass Call was such a Container for ECM/Info gathering. They had 4 modified for Radio/TV transmission to spread Propoganda and mis-information to civilian TV/radios.
I also got to see some of newer Tanker/sprayer aircraft. Luckily, all the Agent Orange sprayers were boneyarded. Mostly for excessive corrusion.
The artic circle LC-130 fitted with skies were neat.
"MC-130W Dragon Spear was renamed the AC-130W Stinger II. The primary mission of the AC-130W Stinger II is armed overwatch. While similar to the AC-130's missions, Stinger II is primarily focused on performing reconnaissance over friendly positions and may directly deliver ordnance to precise targets to support ground forces."
Primary Role Specialized Model/Variant
Attack Gunship AC-130 (Spectre/Spooky II) Drone Control DC-130 Combat Communications C-130B (Talking Bird) Command and Control EC-130E (ABCCC / Commando Solo) Electronic Warfare EC-130H (Compass Call) Maritime Patrol HC-130H, EC-130V Arctic/Antarctic Support LC-130 (formerly C-130D) Special Operations MC-130E/H (Combat Talon), MC-130P (Combat Shadow) Aerial Refueling HC-130N/P, MC-130E, MC-130P, KC-130 Search and Rescue HC-130N/P, HC-130H, EC-130V Weather Reconnaissance WC-130
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Post by Mark O on Dec 8, 2012 2:13:49 GMT 9
Mark, does the MC-130W have the funny radome like all other MC versions? Could it be a HC-130P in McChord photo? They were the Rescue versions, used to be at Kirtland. I believe most -- if not all -- of the E-models are in the boneyard by now. I really haven't kept up on it much. Dyess got rid of it's last H-model a few months ago, so all they have are J-models now. (No more engineers, or navigators.) For about 5-6 years now there have been several associate units formed using ANG, and active folks that fly the same airframes. That's where several of the guys I worked with ended up. The aircraft we had probably went to Little Rock for training, but may have been farmed out to some others. The active duty (non-training) units at Little Rock flew E-models, and I flew a few of those aircraft over in Iraq. (I also originally learned on E-models in school, then qualified on H, and H1 when I got to Dyess.) We would have to stay current on them, and if one went non-current we would have to take a short class, then fly with an instructor. Pretty simple, but it was a pain because you had to carry two sets of books. Some days you would fly an E-model, and the next day you would fly an H, then the next day an H1. There were enough differences to keep you on your toes! I always thought it was interesting that most of the guard, and reserve units had newer Herks than we did! Several had H2s, and H3s which I never got to fly -- much less qualify on. As far as the special ops Herks I never could keep them all straight! I think they all have funny noses!
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Post by pat perry on Dec 8, 2012 3:07:14 GMT 9
Next to the F-106, the C-130 is my favorite aircraft. Worked on both. I agree with the rolling replacement. I don't remember how many C-47s we had to build when WWII broke out but it would be hard to duplicate that manufacturing activity in a short time if a WWIII broke out and we had to have them "yesterday". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-130_HerculesExcerpt: The C-130 entered service with U.S. in the 1950s, followed by Australia and others. During its years of service, the Hercules family has participated in countless military, civilian and humanitarian aid operations. The family has the longest continuous production run of any military aircraft in history. Pat P.
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Post by pat perry on May 28, 2014 6:22:39 GMT 9
THE C-130 ON DISPLAY AT THE FRONT GATE OF LITTLE ROCK AFB, ARKANSAS
From Convair Tech Rep Joe Sylvia: This C-130A Hercules was the 126th built by Lockheed Aircraft corp. of Marietta, Georgia. It was accepted into the Air Force inventory on 23 August 1957. On 2 November 1972, it was given to the South Vietnamese Air Force as part of the Military Assistance Program. A few years later, the aircraft would be involved in a historic flight. On 29 April 1975, this Herk was the last out of Vietnam during the fall of Saigon. With over 100 aircraft destroyed on the flight line at Tan Son Nhut Air Base, some of them still burning, it was the last flyable C-130 remaining. In a very panicked state, hundreds of people were rushing to get aboard, as the aircraft represented a final ticket to freedom. People hurriedly crowded into the Herk, packing in tighter and tighter. Eventually, the loadmaster informed the pilot, Major Phuong, a South Vietnamese instructor pilot, that he could not get the rear ramp closed due to the number of people standing on it. In a moment of inspiration, Major Phuong slowly taxied forward, then hit the brakes. The loadmaster called forward again stating he had successfully got the doors closed. In all, 452 people were on board, including a staggering 32 in the cockpit alone. Using a conservative estimate of 100 pounds per person, it translated into an overload of at least 10,000 pounds. Consequently, the Herk used every bit of the runway and overrun before it was able to get airborne. The target was Thailand, which should have been 1:20 in flight time, but after an hour and a half, the aircraft was over the Gulf of Slam, and they were clearly lost. Finally, a map was located, they identified some terrain features, and they were able to navigate. They landed at Utapao, Thailand after a three and a half hour flight. Ground personnel were shocked at what "fell out" as they opened the doors. It was clear that a longer flight would almost certainly have resulted in a loss of life. In the end, however, all 452 people made it to freedom aboard this historic C-130. Upon landing, the aircraft was reclaimed by the United States Air Force and assigned to two different Air National Guard units for the next 14 years. On 28 June 1989, it made its final flight to Little Rock Air Force Base and was placed on permanent display.
Pat P.
Hmmmm. 3.5 hour flight, 452 souls on board and only 1 of them could probably get to the potty. Poor crew chief.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on May 28, 2014 8:12:31 GMT 9
THE C-130 ON DISPLAY AT THE FRONT GATE OF LITTLE ROCK AFB, ARKANSAS
Pat P.
Hmmmm. 3.5 hour flight, 452 souls on board and only 1 of them could probably get to the potty. Poor crew chief.
Pat, I suspect the only way to clean the Herk out was the way cargo planes have been cleaned out for many years.
A fire hose through the front passenger door, with a fan stream to wash her out.
It would also help to raise the nose up a bit to make sure the water and ?? all flow aft.
After all the water draines out, leave the ramp down and the passenger door open to let it dry out.
Always worked when carrying puking passengers through bad turbulance and you ran out of Airsick Bags.
Then wash the ramp with the same hose.
Jim Too
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C-130's
May 28, 2014 12:10:52 GMT 9
Post by LBer1568 on May 28, 2014 12:10:52 GMT 9
The A/C is detailed as a C-130A. But it clearly has 4-bladed props. Was there a mod that upgraded A Models from 3 bladed props? All the A models I remember had the old 3 bladed props. Lorin
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C-130's
May 28, 2014 13:42:23 GMT 9
Post by pat perry on May 28, 2014 13:42:23 GMT 9
The A/C is detailed as a C-130A. But it clearly has 4-bladed props. Was there a mod that upgraded A Models from 3 bladed props? All the A models I remember had the old 3 bladed props. Lorin Lorin, I believe the E models were the first to have 4 blade props.
The C-130J had a 6 blade prop
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-130_Hercules
A great aircraft with many variants.
Pat P.
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