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Post by larry on Aug 26, 2008 8:43:15 GMT 9
Does anyone have any pics, or know of any sites they can link to, that has pics showing the TSD in operation? I've seen the scope shots on this site. Did the TSD symbology look similar? I'd also love to see a night shot of a Six cockpit illuminated, and the dream would be the aforementioned with the TSD operational!
Any hep is appreciated. Thanks!
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Post by pat perry on Aug 26, 2008 22:41:25 GMT 9
Does anyone have any pics, or know of any sites they can link to, that has pics showing the TSD in operation? I've seen the scope shots on this site. Did the TSD symbology look similar? I'd also love to see a night shot of a Six cockpit illuminated, and the dream would be the aforementioned with the TSD operational! Any hep is appreciated. Thanks! Welcome aboard Larry - tell us about yourself. Here's some cockpit instrument pics and a TSD taken during the restoration of the F-106 at Castle Air Museum. From Erv Smalley's web site: www.convairf-106deltadart.com/580793CAMrestPage.htmlHere's some more: www.codeonemagazine.com/test/archives/2007/articles/jan_07/cockpits/cockpits.htmlScroll down and click on F-106 I don't recall seeing any pics of the cockpit or TSD in a power-on condition anywhere on the Internet. Maybe some of the other forum members have. Thanks, Pat P. 456th FIS
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Post by larry on Aug 26, 2008 23:40:31 GMT 9
I'm a 37 y/o guy from your neck of the woods (Richardson) with a long time interest in things aerospac-y. I desperately wanted to be in the Air Force but was medically disqualified. I do alot of reading on aviation related subjects, and my favorite area of study is US tactical aircraft/interceptors of the period 1950~1970. Obviously, the Six fits right in there. I've read quite a bit about the Six, never seen one in person, and I'm here to learn more. That's minimizing it.......the Six is one of my top two or three favorite aircraft of all time.
While I do have a very strong interest in combat aircraft and their technology in general (I'm an engineer, but I don't work in aerospace), I have a particular interest in the development of cockpit/displays/instrumentation in tactical aircraft over the years. That's one reason I find the period 1950-1970-ish so interesting......so many new technologies coming together to radically change the way information was presented to the aircrews. While today's MFDs are definitely impressive in their capabilities, I find some of their technological antecedents more interesting. Hence my question about the TSD....it represented, to my knowledge, the first attempt to provide a kind of general situational awareness to the pilot of the airspace around him.
Probably more than you wanted to know. I'll be browsing the boards for the next few days, asking questions here and there, hope folks don't mind.
BTW, is there a FAQ for the forum?
And thanks for the links. Anyone who gets to work on restoring a Six like that is a very fortunate individual, in my estimation.
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Post by pat perry on Aug 27, 2008 0:58:36 GMT 9
I'm a 37 y/o guy from your neck of the woods (Richardson) with a long time interest in things aerospac-y. I desperately wanted to be in the Air Force but was medically disqualified. I do alot of reading on aviation related subjects, and my favorite area of study is US tactical aircraft/interceptors of the period 1950~1970. Obviously, the Six fits right in there. I've read quite a bit about the Six, never seen one in person, and I'm here to learn more. That's minimizing it.......the Six is one of my top two or three favorite aircraft of all time. While I do have a very strong interest in combat aircraft and their technology in general (I'm an engineer, but I don't work in aerospace), I have a particular interest in the development of cockpit/displays/instrumentation in tactical aircraft over the years. That's one reason I find the period 1950-1970-ish so interesting......so many new technologies coming together to radically change the way information was presented to the aircrews. While today's MFDs are definitely impressive in their capabilities, I find some of their technological antecedents more interesting. Hence my question about the TSD....it represented, to my knowledge, the first attempt to provide a kind of general situational awareness to the pilot of the airspace around him. Probably more than you wanted to know. I'll be browsing the boards for the next few days, asking questions here and there, hope folks don't mind. BTW, is there a FAQ for the forum? And thanks for the links. Anyone who gets to work on restoring a Six like that is a very fortunate individual, in my estimation. Thanks for the info Larry. Site webmaster Pat McGee doesn't have a FAQ but if you use the search feature on this forum and the one on Pat's home page www.f-106deltadart.com/home.htmyou can find most anything you want. On the home page, look on the left side and see a lot of topics. Two that will interest you are F-106 cockpit and F-106 scope intercept. Also see Erv Smalley's sites at www.f-106deltadart.com/home.htmfor more information. I've spent the last 7 years looking at all these sites and have yet to visit every single page. But, I'm work'in on it! Members of this forum have contributed a lot of time and money over the years to save a number of F-106s from the scrap heap at AMARC (the boneyard). The F-106 had fewer production units than the rest of the century series aircraft but probably has a higher percentage of museum displays. It still amazes me that a new F-106 back in the day cost $3.5M and a F-22 Raptor today costs over $100M. Wonder what the Six would do and look like if we had today's technology and bucks back then? Thanks, Pat P. 456th FIS (visit www.456fis.org )
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Post by lindel on Aug 27, 2008 3:01:02 GMT 9
Welcome aboard Larry! Ask all the questions you want, we don't mind. IIRC, there's a Six on display in San Antone at Lackland/Kelly. That's the only one that I know of in the TX area, but Erv's info will say for sure.
There's also a few decent books available about the Six, and either Ebay or Amazon will be your friend in that regard.
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Post by larry on Aug 27, 2008 4:30:12 GMT 9
Thanks for the info Larry. Site webmaster Pat McGee doesn't have a FAQ but if you use the search feature on this forum and the one on Pat's home page www.f-106deltadart.com/home.htmyou can find most anything you want. On the home page, look on the left side and see a lot of topics. Two that will interest you are F-106 cockpit and F-106 scope intercept. Also see Erv Smalley's sites at www.f-106deltadart.com/home.htmfor more information. I've spent the last 7 years looking at all these sites and have yet to visit every single page. But, I'm work'in on it! Members of this forum have contributed a lot of time and money over the years to save a number of F-106s from the scrap heap at AMARC (the boneyard). The F-106 had fewer production units than the rest of the century series aircraft but probably has a higher percentage of museum displays. It still amazes me that a new F-106 back in the day cost $3.5M and a F-22 Raptor today costs over $100M. Wonder what the Six would do and look like if we had today's technology and bucks back then? [/quote] With today's technology....probably like the F-22 and cost $100 million a copy. There were plans for advanced version of the F-106. One of these versions would have added more advanced intakes with "nodding" hoods that would function similarly to the F-15s intakes. A version of the J58 powerplant from the YF-12, or f the J93 from XB70A would have powered it and provided, according to GD (who had acquired Convair) something close to Mach 3 performance. In addition, forward canards were considered, as well as a more advanced radar and other avioinics upgrades. These upgrade programs were known variably as the F-106C/D and the F-106X. McNamara used these proposed upgrades to the F-106 to cancel the YF-12A program, and then in turn canceled the F-106 upgrades. One of the myriad reasons I have such a low, low opinion of that spineless megalomaniac.
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Post by dude on May 7, 2009 12:55:13 GMT 9
Larry. In regards to your TSD question. There may be a picture of an operating TSD in the F-106 Squadron Book you can get at most hobby shops. Essentially what you had was a circular film projector of pseudo-topographical maps. When turned on the display had something of a parchment colored hue to it unless you had the red night filter on. I believe there were four range settings for 50, 100, 200 and 400 mile radius on the maps. There were three grid lines on the display, which would rotate to the heading markers on the outer ring based on what TACAN station was selected. You would also get an Interceptor Bug on the display showing your relative position on the map and heading. It was an elongated triangle (like the six) with a circle at the nose. Likewise if SAGE was up you might also see a target bug, which I remember looking somehting like a four legged spider, or more like a circle with an X through it All in all the thing I remember most is it was one royal pain to get in and out of the cockpit. Hope this helped
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