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Post by daoleguy A.J. Hoehn (deceased) on Apr 5, 2008 22:58:46 GMT 9
Found this on another board. The closest I can say to this was the crash of 021 at The Griff killing Gen Price. That AC impacted about 20 yards from an occupied home. I remember working crash recovery and being amazed at how close the plane hit and that the resident was sitting in a room that close when it hit sparing him. No casualties except the General. Strange how these things work out at times. Another odd thing on 021 is the pitot boom was not found at the scene. It was a few months later when another local resident exploring a leaking roof found it had penetrated into his attic.
This reminds me of back in the 50's of another crash. I was way too young, but a fighter took off from the Griff and had failures. Instead of ejecting he flew the aircraft into a small field north of a housing area to avoid harming civilians. I don't know the pilots name or AC type, but a huge salute to his honor ensuring the lives of civilians over his. I do recall hearing my dad say the plane was fully armed and it was years before they could plow the field it crashed in. (Note: it was off Potters Road near Ridge mills if any old timers were at the Griff back then)
Here's the McChord vid and narrative. Interesting.
AJ
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Post by Mark O on Apr 5, 2008 23:42:50 GMT 9
Wow, that was pretty good. Looks like he go a bunch of his photos from the 318th page here. In fact, I sent in one of them. The photo of 58-0767 being towed was given to me by Mark Harlin (he took it) and I scanned it!
It was neat they got Bruce Miller's recording of the incident and the ATC tapes.
Mark
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Post by pat perry on Apr 6, 2008 0:37:34 GMT 9
Found this on another board. The closest I can say to this was the crash of 021 at The Griff killing Gen Price. That AC impacted about 20 yards from an occupied home. I remember working crash recovery and being amazed at how close the plane hit and that the resident was sitting in a room that close when it hit sparing him. No casualties except the General. Strange how these things work out at times. Another odd thing on 021 is the pitot boom was not found at the scene. It was a few months later when another local resident exploring a leaking roof found it had penetrated into his attic. This reminds me of back in the 50's of another crash. I was way too young, but a fighter took off from the Griff and had failures. Instead of ejecting he flew the aircraft into a small field north of a housing area to avoid harming civilians. I don't know the pilots name or AC type, but a huge salute to his honor ensuring the lives of civilians over his. I do recall hearing my dad say the plane was fully armed and it was years before they could plow the field it crashed in. (Note: it was off Potters Road near Ridge mills if any old timers were at the Griff back then) Here's the McChord vid and narrative. Interesting. AJ Wow! A great find AJ! There are also a number of other very good videos after that one.  Pat Perry |
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Post by Jim on Apr 6, 2008 12:26:04 GMT 9
We have all known that the SIX was a great a/c, but with the old JP4 weighing in at 6.8 lbs per gal, the fuel load itself (21,260gal x
6.8 lbs) would weigh approx 145,568.0 lbs.......the Capt had God as his AC that day........The Old Sarge
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Post by Bullhunter on Apr 6, 2008 15:23:01 GMT 9
I sure remember that crash at McChord. I installed a new jet engine in that bird.
It flew it's FCF and then crashed on it's first mission takeoff.
The engine was fairly intact and was able to be inspected do to hitting the pond.
We were later briefed that the depot installed one of the engine bearings wrong. Seems odd now they say it was a defective weld. Go Figure.
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Post by lindel on Apr 6, 2008 23:03:08 GMT 9
Wow! Great outcome to a bad situation.
I'm not surprised about the mistake on the engine malfunction, look how little the press gets right concerning the military today.
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Post by Mark O on Apr 7, 2008 8:36:49 GMT 9
I remember going through crew chief school at Sheppard and one day our instructor finished the lesson early so we got to take a "field trip" to the accident investigation school down the street. (The "kids" had to march but as the old man I got to drive!) Our civilian instructor probably just wanted to see her husband who was an instructor at that school.
Anyway, we got the tour and went into the room with parts from all sorts of different crashes. The instructor pointed out what was left of an engine and said, "That was from an F-106." My eyes shot open and I said, "That's a J-75?!" His eyes shot open and gave me a sort of, "Holy Smokes!" look! I know I surprised him! We chatted a bit and I told him that I did indeed know what a J-75 was. Turned out that engine was from a Montana crash but even he didn't know the specifics. I don't think it was the 186th but I'm not sure it was from either the 71st or the 319th either. All the photos in the book with the engine had the tail number and other specifics edited out. It just said it was in Montana. I'm still not sure what aircraft it was. The aircraft nosed in and the pilot was killed though.
Mark
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Post by Bullhunter on Apr 7, 2008 13:03:18 GMT 9
My photo's of crash site.  My photo's of crached parts in the hanger.  *Click on pic's to enlarge |
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Post by Gene on Jun 14, 2008 16:30:02 GMT 9
my names gene johnson. i was the alert photog. on duty the day it crashed.. i knew miller from before the crash. the jet was upside down in a pond in an apartment complex. two apartments were destoyed by fire balls erupting from the tail section. a lot of lawn furniture was melted. and a duck expired. miller ejected and was ok. he got out shortly there after. i spoke to him several years after the crash. he just felt it was time to find something else to do
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Post by falcon012 on Jun 15, 2008 0:57:14 GMT 9
That was a great little mini documentary. What an amazing story.
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Post by Gene on Jul 4, 2008 12:42:53 GMT 9
the cleanup took a while.. civil engineers brought in a large fork lift to cart out the wreckage... it ruined the apartment complex drainfield with it oversized tires...the a.f. spent a group of bucks making them happy..
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Post by chiefothedarts on Jul 4, 2008 14:59:31 GMT 9
:-XI thought that I would jump in here with you guys from the 318th FIS and McChord. Here at the Castle Air Museum, we are about to place a scaled down version of an F-15 at our main entrance. It is about 16 ft by 26 ft and made of fiberglass, metal, wood and aluminum. It will be placed on a pedestal or pole and it will be our Gate Guard. It was given to Castle Air Museum by the F15 guys when the were pulling alert after the 84th FIS was deactivated. Does anyone have the history of the model? When was it built, where , by who, and what was the purpose? The reason I ask, is because it was built so well, an excellent job. Any information would be appreciated. Ralph L. Robledo
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Post by MOW on Jul 4, 2008 17:32:24 GMT 9
:-XI thought that I would jump in here with you guys from the 318th FIS and McChord. Here at the Castle Air Museum, we are about to place a scaled down version of an F-15 at our main entrance. It is about 16 ft by 26 ft and made of fiberglass, metal, wood and aluminum. It will be placed on a pedestal or pole and it will be our Gate Guard. It was given to Castle Air Museum by the F15 guys when the were pulling alert after the 84th FIS was deactivated. Does anyone have the history of the model? When was it built, where , by who, and what was the purpose? The reason I ask, is because it was built so well, an excellent job. Any information would be appreciated. Ralph L. Robledo  Holy crap I know that model! That F-15 model spent a lot of time up at the alert barn over in bay 4, the bay we used for repacking chutes, storage etc. I was a 318th Det 1 alert crew dog from 81-83 in fact Randy Adams and I were the last 2 F-106 alert crew chiefs at Castle before our F-15 guys took over. The 318th brought down the 15's several months before the swap, maybe 3 months or so I don't really recall, and the jets of the 194th out of Fresno came up and sat alert while the 15 guys edumacated themselves. Randy and I launched them out during the official swap. I wish I had photo's of all that. I'm not sure exactly where that model began life, I think it was actually started down in one of the 84th shops in 1981 as a 318th display project in prep for the F-15's. But I remember it coming up to the alert barn and a lot of fiberglass work done on it in bay 4. I wish I could remember the guy who worked on it most, maybe he was MA1, no maybe sheetmetal, hell I can't remember, but he was an ex 84th sixer who became an alert guy with us in the 318th. Not sure why it was never finished, but I remember our Det CC LtCol Fortmeyer giving some guys hell for spending so much time on it one time. Actually it wasn't the 15 guys that gave it up it was us Sixer's. We ended up giving it to the museum as we were final cleaning the bays before departed. It sat over in the museum maintenance hanger for a long time. It was never painted, always just gray and fiberglass and I don't recall it ever having any gears or anything, always sat on the table in bay 4 on its belly. Several of us worked with the museum back then in fact quite a few of those planes have my blood, sweat and tears on them: Vulcan, B-17, C-123, B-50, F-102, F-101 man this brings back memories! I spent a lot time out at that place both in the hanger and at the museum... long before the renovations  We had only two buildings then one was the gift shop and the other had old memorabilia inside. I remember the C-123 always getting blown around during storms and we had to go re-seat it. And the B-50 that was supposed to be haunted because of the spliced in tail section from another plane.  those were the days :yellowbeer: Glad to hear it will finally get a real home! Photo's when it's done!! |
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Post by az09 on Oct 9, 2008 7:50:16 GMT 9
Mark Williams - I left the 84th FISq and Hamilton AFB, Ca in 1971. My next stop was Chanute to teach in the basic jet engine 3-level course.
I took the Jet Engine Accident Investigation course while the school was shut down for the the Christmas / New Years holidays.
That same J-75 was there and I was surprised that the engine was operating at 100% at afterburner and the controls were locked up on the F-106. The pilot selected to eject and the seat sequencing failed and he got trapped half way out of the plane. The plane auggered in at super sonic speed and caused a 30' deep hole in the rocky ground. We weren't told where the crash site was, but was allowed to read most of the accident records to learn from the crash results. The whole engine was still there, about 6' long with the afterburner still there. The engine was just over 19' long and this was on a special display stand. Crushed like a giant soda can, end to end.
After I knew the stories of all the displays in the accident display rooms, I started taking my students there on day 5 of my block to talk about the results of when things go wrong. The next 5 days of the block I had the students total attention as we went through the Major Sections of the J-57.
Motivation to learn comes from many areas, this was just one.
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Holy crap I know that model! That F-15 model spent a lot of time up at the alert barn over in bay 4, the bay we used for repacking chutes, storage etc.
We had only two buildings then one was the gift shop and the other had old memorabilia inside. I remember the C-123 always getting blown around during storms and we had to go re-seat it. And the B-50 that was supposed to be haunted because of the spliced in tail section from another plane. 
those were the days :yellowbeer: 
