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Post by Mark O on Feb 19, 2024 14:56:27 GMT 9
So, I am always on the hunt for F-106 decals for models, and tonight came across one I have never seen from I believe, Russia. I have never seen, or heard of the company before, and having spent some time searching for the actual decals and, I'm stumped. However, they are interesting, and with a little creativity, one could easily do this themselves, as similar decals, and aftermarket parts are available. Now, if you read the text on these instructions you can see they really did not know what they were doing, but still, I'm sure their hearts were in it! Ha!! By the way, I have read -- and certainly don't know for sure as I was never a fighter guy -- that the MER they used to load the bombs on 457 had to be mounted backwards on the pylon to get it to fit. True? (Guess I should do some more research.) Anyway, enjoy! Mark O
(BTW, Pat P., I have a bunch of decals I would love to add to the Decals page on the main site. Not sure I have access to do that anymore. It's been a long time.)
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Post by LBer1568 on Feb 20, 2024 0:18:58 GMT 9
Mark, As someone who was at Osan with 318th (TDY Mobility from Tyndall) I stayed for 3 weeks after 318th went home and 48th FIS took over. The 48th flew their birds to McChord, home of 318th, and flew the 318th FIS Birds that were left behind at Osan when 318th returned from deployment. The 48th flew the 318th birds back to McChord when their tour was up and then took the remaining 48th birds back to Langley. While deployed several of 318th were transferred to 48th and vice-versa. As far as the F-106 that had the 500 # loaded it was a 318th bird, with the 318th tail marking and was 59-0047, not 60457 pic as shown on model. Both the words and photo on model are wrong. But was done by 48th FIS at Osan. The model also has the Six Shooter canopy way before it was built. While the 49th flew the 318th birds. As a side thought, while I was at Tyndall we had aircraft that supported the Test Sq there. 795 was our "A" Model, I don't remember tail number of "B" Model. We prototyped many weird things. We did ground work for the Gatlin gun "Six Shooter" Mod. I worked for a while doing those mods. Biggest job was bore-sighting the Gun. The MA-1 system had several things we had to bore-sight. We had a big yellow metal plate mounted on wheels/cart and had four corner jacks and different alignment marks for different systems that allowed us to level it at 1,000 inches from nose wheel well sight point on Six. We did aircraft first on jacks. It had to be level, at same elevation as bore-sight alignment board. Then we did Optical sight, radar antenna, IR head, and Missile racks. Later on in program we changed to an electronic Sight and had to play with bore sight points for it. Just a fraction of an inch off and bullets went way off target. We had engineers trying to calculate correct position, but we ended up having pilots tell us what felt best. One time we mounted two guns. Engineering built two conformal pods, mounted between wing root and where bay doors positioned when open. These looked good but had a lot of limitations. mainly ammo storage. We never fired those, just flew and monitored how they affected aero. I may have talked about our first RF-106A. When the Soviets started flying a lot of bombers into Alaska, we had F-102 doing air intercepts there. But by the time they could launch and climb to altitude the Bombers were long gone. We had a couple spare holes in MA-1 Radar Rack (Left forward electronics bay). So engineers designed camera mounts to fit in existing spots. They modified Bay Door with two openings with clear glass cut into them. One went straight outside and other had a 90 degree window built so a camera could film forward. We also had to boresight this position so it matched optical sight. We tested these to make sure they filmed clear and correct position. These were then built for two birds. Then sent to McChord where they were mounted on two 318th birds. The F-102 that were deployed for alert duty in Alaska flew like clockwork being changed out every two weeks. Well on day for replacements to fly the route, F-106's from 318th used F-106 calls signs and routes and flew into Alaska. Well first time after that when Soviet Bears flew into area, two F-106 intercepted the Bears and as they came in from rear to assume ID/Kill positions they also filmed intercept. The Soviet Bears quickly left area. In the coming weeks We filmed the intercepts. Like all pilots (Children) the Soviets pilots "Mooned" the Six and we had it on film. I was able to see copies of the intercepts and they were funny. f-106deltadart.com/korea.htmFunny how our memories remember certain things that we are able to remember even at our ages. Lorin
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Post by Diamondback on Feb 20, 2024 5:45:23 GMT 9
So, I am always on the hunt for F-106 decals for models, and tonight came across one I have never seen from I believe, Russia. I have never seen, or heard of the company before, and having spent some time searching for the actual decals and, I'm stumped. However, they are interesting, and with a little creativity, one could easily do this themselves, as similar decals, and aftermarket parts are available. Now, if you read the text on these instructions you can see they really did not know what they were doing, but still, I'm sure their hearts were in it! Ha!! By the way, I have read -- and certainly don't know for sure as I was never a fighter guy -- that the MER they used to load the bombs on 457 had to be mounted backwards on the pylon to get it to fit. True? (Guess I should do some more research.) Anyway, enjoy! Mark O
(BTW, Pat P., I have a bunch of decals I would love to add to the Decals page on the main site. Not sure I have access to do that anymore. It's been a long time.)
Mark, I'll have to keep an eye out for that set because it's the tail-flash from Grandpa's day. Here's the Scalemates database on Six decals: www.scalemates.com/search.php?fkSECTION[]=Decals&q=Convair%20F-106%20Delta%20Dart&fkTYPENAME[]="Decals" So far the only lead is user "UpRise" at ScaleModels.ru - I'll look into this further but my gut is saying "proceed with caution." As for modeling this... I hope nobody minds that I'm linking to one specific hobby shop that's usually been helpful to me before. You can get the MER's in 1/72 from the Monogram B-52 (build the BUFF with "slippers" in a metal-and-white, then chop a MER off one of the disused pylons), or most 1/48 or 1/72 A-6 Intruder kits. Alternatively, consider the various Hasegawa Aircraft Weapons Sets, each a veritable Buffet of Boomstuff. 1/48 Hasegawa Aircraft Weapons Set A: spruebrothers.com/has36001-1-48-hasegawa-weapons-set-a---us-bombs-tow-targets/1/72 Hasegawa Aircraft Weapons Set I: spruebrothers.com/has35001-1-72-hasegawa-weapons-set-i---us-bombs-rocket-launchers/Note that 1/48 sets are designated with letters, 1/72 with Roman numerals. My personal referral link: i.refs.cc/QqEMllS2?smile_ref=eyJzbWlsZV9zb3VyY2UiOiJzbWlsZV91aSIsInNtaWxlX21lZGl1bSI6IiIsInNtaWxlX2NhbXBhaWduIjoicmVmZXJyYWxfcHJvZ3JhbSIsInNtaWxlX2N1c3RvbWVyX2lkIjo3NjY4NjU0NTd9 If you use this link to make your first purchase, we both get a $5 coupon. Pat P., should we consider a new thread where we can exchange referral links at various sites for "mutual aid"?
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Post by pat perry on Feb 20, 2024 9:57:42 GMT 9
So, I am always on the hunt for F-106 decals for models, and tonight came across one I have never seen from I believe, Russia. I have never seen, or heard of the company before, and having spent some time searching for the actual decals and, I'm stumped. However, they are interesting, and with a little creativity, one could easily do this themselves, as similar decals, and aftermarket parts are available. Now, if you read the text on these instructions you can see they really did not know what they were doing, but still, I'm sure their hearts were in it! Ha!! By the way, I have read -- and certainly don't know for sure as I was never a fighter guy -- that the MER they used to load the bombs on 457 had to be mounted backwards on the pylon to get it to fit. True? (Guess I should do some more research.) Anyway, enjoy! Mark O (BTW, Pat P., I have a bunch of decals I would love to add to the Decals page on the main site. Not sure I have access to do that anymore. It's been a long time.)
Mark, I'll have to keep an eye out for that set because it's the tail-flash from Grandpa's day. Here's the Scalemates database on Six decals: www.scalemates.com/search.php?fkSECTION[]=Decals&q=Convair%20F-106%20Delta%20Dart&fkTYPENAME[]="Decals" So far the only lead is user "UpRise" at ScaleModels.ru - I'll look into this further but my gut is saying "proceed with caution." As for modeling this... I hope nobody minds that I'm linking to one specific hobby shop that's usually been helpful to me before. You can get the MER's in 1/72 from the Monogram B-52 (build the BUFF with "slippers" in a metal-and-white, then chop a MER off one of the disused pylons), or most 1/48 or 1/72 A-6 Intruder kits. Alternatively, consider the various Hasegawa Aircraft Weapons Sets, each a veritable Buffet of Boomstuff. 1/48 Hasegawa Aircraft Weapons Set A: spruebrothers.com/has36001-1-48-hasegawa-weapons-set-a---us-bombs-tow-targets/1/72 Hasegawa Aircraft Weapons Set I: spruebrothers.com/has35001-1-72-hasegawa-weapons-set-i---us-bombs-rocket-launchers/Note that 1/48 sets are designated with letters, 1/72 with Roman numerals. My personal referral link: i.refs.cc/QqEMllS2?smile_ref=eyJzbWlsZV9zb3VyY2UiOiJzbWlsZV91aSIsInNtaWxlX21lZGl1bSI6IiIsInNtaWxlX2NhbXBhaWduIjoicmVmZXJyYWxfcHJvZ3JhbSIsInNtaWxlX2N1c3RvbWVyX2lkIjo3NjY4NjU0NTd9 If you use this link to make your first purchase, we both get a $5 coupon. Pat P., should we consider a new thread where we can exchange referral links at various sites for "mutual aid"? Mark O and Diamondback, Patrick McGee is the owner of the F-106 and F-106 Forum websites so you should send your suggestions to him at mcgeepj2@hotmail.com. I'm in the process of moving from my current home to a new location in Flower Mound, TX and I don't have the authority to make decisions that Patrick McGee has the only right to make. Thanks for your suggestions but these are Patrick McGee's call, not mine. As an Admin for Patrick McGee (my boss) I can only interact with Pro Boards to solve connection or user problems. Thanks, Pat P.
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Post by LBer1568 on Feb 20, 2024 22:52:32 GMT 9
Pat, Are you making a second career out of moving? lol, Hope all is going smoothly. Do you have any family helping you? Lorin
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Post by pat perry on Feb 21, 2024 3:08:15 GMT 9
Pat, Are you making a second career out of moving? lol, Hope all is going smoothly. Do you have any family helping you? Lorin Lorin, we've had a lot of offers to help but we have an Estate Sale program team that is taking more time than expected. They must be done with the Estate Sale by Saturday Feb 24th so they can take the stuff that didn't sell and move it elsewhere (to their next assignment or to a charity organization). Good news is we found a place that shredded about 2000 pounds of paper files for $150. Normally shredding costs about $1 per pound. Our home is currently pending sale to a new owner. We have enjoyed living there the past 28 years, but maintenance became too much, on my 78-year-old body. Thanks, Pat P.
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Post by Mark O on Feb 21, 2024 7:07:29 GMT 9
Mark O and Diamondback, Patrick McGee is the owner of the F-106 and F-106 Forum websites so you should send your suggestions to him at mcgeepj2@hotmail.com. I'm in the process of moving from my current home to a new location in Flower Mound, TX and I don't have the authority to make decisions that Patrick McGee has the only right to make. Thanks for your suggestions but these are Patrick McGee's call, not mine. As an Admin for Patrick McGee (my boss) I can only interact with Pro Boards to solve connection or user problems. Thanks, Pat P. Thanks Pat. MOW actually had me authorized to post new photos, but it's been so long, I don't remember my login information. I thought he turned most of it over to you as I haven't seen him post anything here in some time. I'll drop him a note. Mark O
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Post by Mark O on Feb 21, 2024 7:13:01 GMT 9
Mark, I'll have to keep an eye out for that set because it's the tail-flash from Grandpa's day. Here's the Scalemates database on Six decals: www.scalemates.com/search.php?fkSECTION[]=Decals&q=Convair%20F-106%20Delta%20Dart&fkTYPENAME[]="Decals" So far the only lead is user "UpRise" at ScaleModels.ru - I'll look into this further but my gut is saying "proceed with caution." As for modeling this... I hope nobody minds that I'm linking to one specific hobby shop that's usually been helpful to me before. You can get the MER's in 1/72 from the Monogram B-52 (build the BUFF with "slippers" in a metal-and-white, then chop a MER off one of the disused pylons), or most 1/48 or 1/72 A-6 Intruder kits. Alternatively, consider the various Hasegawa Aircraft Weapons Sets, each a veritable Buffet of Boomstuff. Yea, thanks. I'm on that site frequently, and I did find the UpRise web site, but they no longer list those decals. Not a big deal, as I could make it with what I have. I'm actually way ahead of you as I have most of the parts needed if I ever get around to it in my stash. (150-plus un-built kits, and counting!)
Mark O
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Post by Diamondback on Feb 21, 2024 7:44:00 GMT 9
Yea, thanks. I'm on that site frequently, and I did find the UpRise web site, but they no longer list those decals. Not a big deal, as I could make it with what I have. I'm actually way ahead of you as I have most of the parts needed if I ever get around to it in my stash. (150-plus un-built kits, and counting!)
Mark O
I hear ya, the back porch is a graveyard of unfinished builds from 20-25 years ago back in college. Right now I have the Atlantis (old Revell) B-36 on my desk, trying to find a way to motorize the props. I'll keep the motorizing proof-of-concept myself since I'm correcting it to the YB-36 (yeah, the one that USED to be at the Air Force Museum before some heathen savage took a bulldozer to it and the remains ended up on Soplata Farm), then I'll proceed with the one I was ASKED to build for a buddy's Wings of War 1/200 miniatures-wargaming tabletop, and then possibly a third--my college mentor is in failing health, but he once told me the B-36 was the plane that made him want to join the Air Force and since his Six slot is covered by a 318th pilot bak in the '80s who built every pilot a model of his own plane, if he's got room and I can get it to him it might be a nice gesture since it's only 15" span. Apropos of nothing: No timetable set, but my old FFL moved to Post Falls after being chased out of WA by our gun grabbing morons, so my first out-of-state roadtrip is going to be visiting them with some toys they want to test fire. If schedules can be worked out and a venue found, think you and the Mrs. might be interested in joining the fun?
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Post by Diamondback on Feb 21, 2024 10:14:19 GMT 9
At the start: I have a space about the size of a cigarette filter to work with in each nacelle. I'm just thinking some simple 3v motors underfed at 1.5v to get to RPM's down, but an electronics-nerd buddy is really trying to push stepper motors and fancy timer circuitry trying to make sure all six turn at same speed. Me, if I'm gonna fight with fancy stuff I'd rather put in a sound board playing recorded audio even though I'll never get enough ultralow-frequency rumble to do the beasts justice... As of now: tailplane assembled, wings in test-fit, custom decals generated waiting for printing. Since I'm modeling the YB that leaves out the wingtip jets--the kit is almost ang on for the two B-models that tested the jet-engine retrofit, other than needing to omit the bracing strut, cut/sand off the bottom "skis" and replace the spurious 452057 tailnumber with correct either 492057 or 492046. (D and after require new tail radomes, and YB, B-36A and all "Featherweight" models require removal of the nose turret. If anybody wants gory details beyond that I'll start up a new thread in the Models section.)
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Post by Mark O on Feb 22, 2024 4:53:45 GMT 9
You're not going for the 1/72 scale Peacemaker kit?! I have two in the stash!
Mark O
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Post by Diamondback on Feb 22, 2024 4:59:12 GMT 9
Mark, put that big beast (there's one in the graveyard here too) on a Wings gaming table and you could almost have an entire game on its back! I doubt Norm would have room for one, and I'm fighting for workroom on the 'little' monster as it is.
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Post by LBer1568 on Feb 22, 2024 6:08:11 GMT 9
I remember that AF aircraft are numbered by year of contract to buy, and serial numbered during that year. But it doesn't make sense when we look at Aircraft Assignments. 539th FIS McGuire was first Sq assigned F-106 Aircraft. But all of our aircraft were 57. models. And we all had Round Instruments. We were not the first Sq to be operational because we had a lot of early issues with MA-1. We had a lot of local mod teams to update/fix issues in-house. On top of that were always had 3-4 birds at IRAN Sacramento CA. We were also first to get most of the new systems. But after we disbanded in June 1967 majority of our A/C went to Dover, some to Castle and rest to Tyndall. Our B Models, except 57-2527 went to Tyndall. That was 2528, 30, 32 and 32. Many of early Rounf Instrument A/C were updated to Vertical Inst during IRAN, but ours were never updated. I like to say that we had 4 types of F-106 A/C. We had the two distinct Instrument configurations which required specific Tech Data and Eq locations. Then we had A models and B Models. The A Model had the MA-1 System while the B Models had AN/ASQ-25 systems. MA-1 Flight line shop at Tyndall had a set designation of work assignment to fix "MA-1" issues. First was Round Eye or Vert Tapes. Second was A or B model. Since I came from 539th Round Eye. I got assigned first to Those A/C. I was also assigned to Test Sq Birds. That was 58-0795 as main test A/C it was also first Six Shooter. A lot of the history talked about on our web page History pages talks about Six Shooter Program starting in 1972. That was when they went to production and adding clear canopy. I remember working prototype gun system as early as 1968/9. Originally, we used gun with old optical sight which was mounter on left windshield. We later put in a lead computing optical sight from a different fighter. F-105 if I remember. Tyndall had an assigned Test Sq which basically ran the live fire programs. Every Sq came to Tyndal and got to go shoot live missiles/Rocket at Ferebee Drone. They also had a large engineering group which included Hughes Engineer who helped us prototype all sorts of mods. Out first one I worked was the Boresight Sw mounted on 464083 Control Stick. It provided a fixed position freeze on both Radar antenna and IR seeker head. That was used in Air to Air Combat sorties. The F-106 MA-1 was soo complex that they had to ass a second handle to flight control stick so pilot could contro both A/C and weapons system without reaching for separate controller. The Boresight came about because in close air combat the pilot couldn't control moving antenna/IR head and still stay in the fight, so we fixed MA-1 so that pilot could use his finger to move sw position and place both Radar and IR in fixed position with capability for system to lock on when tone was heard. Tone was generated when target was straight ahead of Six. We ended up getting a lot of IR Missile kills with that. The Viet Nam war against Migs showed us our pilots were doing poorly against MIGs in dog fights. So USAF/Navy started the Fighter Instructor School at Nellis. The Navy was destroying USAF pilots in F-106, even though Six was much better suited for dogfighting. So our boresight switch turned the six into the best at the time. Only problem was missiles sucked. We fired two missiles a same time to increase Probability of Kill (PK). Modern day missiles are a 1000% better. One of the main reasons why F-110 (F-4) was chosen over F-106 as next generation Fighter was PK. The F-4 had slightly better missiles with Sidewinder. Got to go Lorin
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Post by Diamondback on Feb 22, 2024 6:26:55 GMT 9
One of the main reasons why F-110 (F-4) was chosen over F-106 as next generation Fighter was PK. The F-4 had slightly better missiles with Sidewinder. Got to go Lorin Seems to me there coulda been a Quick & Dirty fix to that: Strip all the pneumatics and convert the forward weapons bay to a fuel tank, put a Dual Rail Adapter with two Sidewinders on the wing pylon. You have the same fuel, less weight AND higher PK. I see no reason why "fixed" doors couldn't have been redesigned with Sparrow wells like F-4, F-14 and F-15 too, possibly compensating for the extra weight with an uprated engine. But the McDonnell Mafia, p--- be eternally upon them, strikes again...
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Post by Mark O on Feb 22, 2024 7:49:31 GMT 9
Funny how this topic got off topic... Oh well. Want to read something from Bruce Gordon on why the F-106 was not used in Vietnam? Mark O
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Post by Diamondback on Feb 22, 2024 10:43:19 GMT 9
Funny how this topic got off topic... Oh well.
What happens with long rambling conversations between friends... there's thread drift and then there's "corkscrew," and eventually somebody finds a segue back to topic.
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