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Post by Jim on Apr 30, 2020 23:52:30 GMT 9
Irs a slow night and I'm bored. Skipping through this thread about QC or QA reminded me of a QC inspector at Sembach Air Base, Germany.
He was a MSgt with a funny attitude. I was the NCOIC of phase dock engine section on OV-10A Bronco's) . He'd come out to do an inspection on and engine often after the phase was signed off.
When he found a discrepency he would burst out laughing and say I found another one. One time he wrote up a safety and documented it as the safety wire pig-tail was not bent over enough. I protested that it was bent over like a cane handle. He said it was not tucked back enough and a shirt or finger could get caught on it. Then he laughed out loud like he usually did.
One one phase inspection we had the fuel pump or fuel control removed for a spline check. We discovered the worn spline was barely with in limits as several of us used the micrometer and came up with the same reading. I red x'd it and ordered a new one. Got the word there were none anywhere in the supply system. They had to go to the manufacture to get one which might take a month or more.
Mr QC was sent down to check and he got the same reading that that the rest of us did that it was barely within limits. He told me to install the spline and fuel component and sign off the red X. I refused and said that it is so worn it won't last more than a few flights and if it fails on landing or takeoff it will kill somebody, so I'm not doing any of that. My NCOIC (SMSGT) backed me up. I was a SSgt at the time.
This QC Inspector and I never did get along.
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Post by LBer1568 on May 1, 2020 3:09:02 GMT 9
Gary,
I never worked QC as such, but when I cross trained into Flight Simulator career field we were not assigned to Maintenance Sq, but worked directly for the DO. So when I got to RAF Upper Heyford and the F-111E Simulator the techs assigned had never been under 66-1 maintenance requirements. But my time on the six was totally under QC/QA. So I was aware of most of the standard maintenance procedures. First thing I noticed was Maintenance records. They were non-existent. If the crew had a complaint they told the person on console. That was our Operations job. But when we started to work we were now the maintenance people. So I went to Branch Chief who was a real life SOB. I told him we should be documenting any discrepancies in a 781 Form. The crews were used to writing up in the "Aircraft Forms" and we should be no different. His comments after I explained the why and how was, just another paper pusher ATC Trained. Then he used the typical inbreed comment..."Them that can..do, those that can't teach school. Well as someone who just by passed most of the tech school without taking class (By pass Testing) and then 3 years as instructor on same computer (on F-4E Sim)as was on F-111E I knew more than him and his premia donna crew that were part of the installation when Sim was sent brand new from Singer Link. So instead of stroking the flames I just spoke with one of our best crew member who was also Chief of Stan Eval (Crew member version of QC). He casually went to same Branch Chief (SMSgt) and asked why we were not using a 781 like all other Sim Shops he had been associated with before coming to RAF Upper Heyford. He also asked why we didn't ask Stan-Eval to Certify our Operator's like other sites. So I wasn't there when the discussion took place, the Major told the Branch Chief he would be discussing these failures with the DO that afternoon. Well our Branch Chief was almost out-processing and told the fill in to Handle It.
So first thing he did was call me into office and ask how we should be doing it and would I take the lead in training the Techs in proper use of Forms as well as getting them ready for Certification. Since I was recently assigned and family wasn't there yet I spent a bunch of hours writing the criteria for Stan Eval cert and reminded the rest of shop on use of the 781 folder I started. So I answered the DO's query on why we weren't Certifying our people. I simply started training folders for everyone. That was another discussion I had with Branch Chief. His answer was us new people would need that, all his original crew had been "Factory Trained".
About 3 years later someone decided we should be part of the Maintenance Sq and reporting to AMS Sq and Maintenance Chief. That's another story. But my association with QA/QC was mostly positive. Once after getting a really bad report on one of our six's I went to our MA-1 guy in QA and questioned him on why he didn't have a checklist so we knew what he was looking for. Now that pissed him off as his boss was sitting near-by. His boss then asked him how valid his write-ups were if he didn't have a standard to go by. That lead to me having to go see MA-1 Branch Chief who just happened to be best friend of the QA guy.
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 10, 2020 3:01:22 GMT 9
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Post by LBer1568 on Dec 21, 2020 0:46:59 GMT 9
A nice video/narrative of F-106 pilot describing a failure of Generators at night and how he survived.
Lorin
Edit: Lorin, that's Bruce Gordon who always comes to our F-106 Reunions and give talks, shows videos, and answers questions. His "Spirit of Attack" book is really good.
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Post by pat perry on Dec 23, 2020 6:36:46 GMT 9
Gary, I played the video four times and it was short with a medical worker getting a shot of Covid 19 vaccine. The second video that came up was always different. I'm not understanding what you saw in the video that related to "we all had plenty of shots in the military". I didn't see anything wrong with the video and have seen the same type images on the local DFW news a few times. Please explain. Thanks, Pat P. |
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Post by LBer1568 on Dec 23, 2020 7:46:50 GMT 9
Pat, Gary. I watched the video and unless you know how much serum was being used for shot, from some angles it looks like they just stuck patient and nothing was injected. But I watched several times and it looked normal shot to me.
Gary, is that what you were implying with post?
Gas here in Ohio shot up just in time for Christmas travelers. Went from $1.97 to $2.35 overnight. I went on base last evening and after seeing all stations off base at $2.35 I filled up on base and with $.05 gal discount I got it for $2.00 even. But did not fill wife's car.
Everyone done with Christmas shopping? We decided to just get a small gift for everyone then give all for kids $1,000 each. With the virus they can all use a little extra cash.
For the wife and I I went to BX, after getting weekly ad in e-mail, and bought a Samsung smart TV 75" and it is very high resolution. First comment from wife...boy that is big. But she was asking about getting one. BX sale price was $699, no tax. So I think I got good deal. Best Buy was just over $1,000.
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 23, 2020 9:21:37 GMT 9
Pat, Gary. I watched the video and unless you know how much serum was being used for shot, from some angles it looks like they just stuck patient and nothing was injected. But I watched several times and it looked normal shot to me. Gary, is that what you were implying with post? Gas here in Ohio shot up just in time for Christmas travelers. Went from $1.97 to $2.35 overnight. I went on base last evening and after seeing all stations off base at $2.35 I filled up on base and with $.05 gal discount I got it for $2.00 even. But did not fill wife's car. Everyone done with Christmas shopping? We decided to just get a small gift for everyone then give all for kids $1,000 each. With the virus they can all use a little extra cash. For the wife and I I went to BX, after getting weekly ad in e-mail, and bought a Samsung smart TV 75" and it is very high resolution. First comment from wife...boy that is big. But she was asking about getting one. BX sale price was $699, no tax. So I think I got good deal. Best Buy was just over $1,000. Lorin Looks damn empty to me ! False shot for false news. |
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Post by Bullhunter on Mar 28, 2021 22:56:44 GMT 9
Just a quick story.
It was late spring1990 and I'd been feeling poorly for a few years, but getting by. I was working Maintenance Supervision on the flightline as the Squadron Production Superintendent.
My wife was a RN at the time and one day she said, you look like a cardiac case. Well she called the doctor who had been treating me for allergies and high clorestrol and told him I had all the signs of a cardiac case. She told the doctor that she wanted this and that done so he did it. My EKG was very bad, but an EKG 6 months before during an industrial physical showed no issues. To shorten this part up, I had a single by-pass, with 30 days medical leave then 30 days of half days. Because of my medical profile I was put in the Engine Management Office (boring paperwork job) that was low stress. Then came word that the engine overhaul shop was relocating to the depot. Most of the Engine people would be transferred or find a job out on the flightline. I loved the flightline and went out to interview with the CO. I was told that my medical profile (Restricted from eating MRE's) prevented me from being deployed and everyone had to be deployable on the flightline.
I was still in the Engine Management Office and the Brach Office was next door. There was a OIC, NCOIC, and Civilian. Almost everyday the officer came up to me and asked, "MSgt Price you find a job yet?" My reply was always, "Not yet Sir." Then he would add, "If you don't find a position then you have to get out on a medical." I was a year away from my 20 year retirement. I could see a fight in the near future, so this was causing me stress.
This went on for a month or more and one day I heard a MSgt at the Air Museum was retiring and they were looking for a replacement. I went right up there and talk with him and the heads of the Museum Foundation. I told them I was from the Aircraft Maintenance Sq and knew just about everyone, so I'd be very helpful for getting support from the squadron. They took me that day.
A few days later the officer hit me again with his bullshit and I told him in a very loud voice so all could hear me, "Sir I have a position and its the Administrator Of the Air Museum." He responded, "That isn't a promotable position from MSgt to SMSgt." I sort of interrupted him and said loudly, "After you been on the operating table being gutted like a deer not know if you would live or die, the thought of another stripe doesn't mean anything to me, Sir!" He was speechless. He just gave me a nod and walked away. The room was silent and everyone looking at us. For the next two weeks before I was reassigned to the museum the officer avoided me.
He was a waste. All I remember about him is he followed the chief around and several times a year he would come around with a sports betting pool and ask if people wanted to pick a square and bet. I told him 2 or 3 times that I did not believe it was proper to gamble on government time and that it was likely against the UCMJ.
I heard he got rifted and left the USAF. No loss there. Ya think?
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Post by Bullhunter on Jul 18, 2021 14:23:00 GMT 9
I arrived at LA airport on I believe Dec 2, 1971 from jet engine school at Chanute AFB. My Aunt was picking me up and I was staying with her 2 days in Hollywood and then she was taking me to Norton AFB.
As I was walking through the crowded airport there was an open area very well lite. I took advantage of it and made my break across it. As I got through it and back into the crowd I heard, "Airman, Airman Stop!" I was in uniform so I figured it was meant for me and I stopped. This person came up to me and told me I had just crossed a movie set during filming. That I needed to sign this release incase they used it in the movie. I was in a hurry and quickly signed and was on my way. Later I thought, "Why didn't I get the name of that movie?" I quickly got my bag and met up with my aunt and we were on our way.
I was a young 2 striper at Norton AFB working the flightline. About 2 months into my assignment the shop chief said to me, "Airman Price look real sharp tomorrow." I wondered what that was about as I always looked sharp and just received Airman of the Month. The next day was normal and about 2 hours into the day shift the Chief told me to get my tool box and our maintenance truck would take me out to a job. We pulled up to this C-141 and I got out of the truck. As I looked around there were mirrors and a movie camera. This gentleman came up to me and said, "Airman, we are making a training film about using technical maintenance manuals that was to be shown at technical schools." There was a young Sgt and another Airman. We were instructed on where to stand, what to do, and motions to make. I was to hold a maintenance manual. There were no speaking parts. My first though was, "Will I need to sign a release?"
Anyway it took a couple of hours and after it was all over I got a bit brave and asked if I could get a picture of us doing it?" He answered, "No, but I can take a head shot of you and send it to your shop." I thanked him and he asked for my shops address. Couple of weeks later I received a nice 8x10 shot of myself. I never did get to see that movie and was not asked to sign a release form. 
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Post by Mark O on Jul 18, 2021 14:59:52 GMT 9
I need to send that picture to the 2A7 Tech school bubbas at Sheppard! Show the new guys what a real MFE troop looks like!!
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Post by pat perry on Jul 19, 2021 1:08:34 GMT 9
I arrived at LA airport on I believe Dec 2, 1971 from jet engine school at Chanute AFB. My Aunt was picking me up and I was staying with her 2 days in Hollywood and then she was taking me to Norton AFB.
As I was walking through the crowded airport there was an open area very well lite. I took advantage of it and made my break across it. As I got through it and back into the crowd I heard, "Airman, Airman Stop!" I was in uniform so I figured it was meant for me and I stopped. This person came up to me and told me I had just crossed a movie set during filming. That I needed to sign this release incase they used it in the movie. I was in a hurry and quickly signed and was on my way. Later I thought, "Why didn't I get the name of that movie?" I quickly got my bag and met up with my aunt and we were on our way.
I was a young 2 striper at Norton AFB working the flightline. About 2 months into my assignment the shop chief said to me, "Airman Price look real sharp tomorrow." I wondered what that was about as I always looked sharp and just received Airman of the Month. The next day was normal and about 2 hours into the day shift the Chief told me to get my tool box and our maintenance truck would take me out to a job. We pulled up to this C-141 and I got out of the truck. As I looked around there were mirrors and a movie camera. This gentleman came up to me and said, "Airman, we are making a training film about using technical maintenance manuals that was to be shown at technical schools." There was a young Sgt and another Airman. We were instructed on where to stand, what to do, and motions to make. I was to hold a maintenance manual. There were no speaking parts. My first though was, "Will I need to sign a release?"
Anyway it took a couple of hours and after it was all over I got a bit brave and asked if I could get a picture of us doing it?" He answered, "No, but I can take a head shot of you and send it to your shop." I thanked him and he asked for my shops address. Couple of weeks later I received a nice 8x10 shot of myself. I never did get to see that movie and was not asked to sign a release form.
The USMC just started a new program to shoot an annual picture for every Marine every year. It was not for publication but the stipulation was made that no recent picture would be made available to Promotion Boards. The reporter and some Marines were asking questions about why spend the time and money doing this? So far, they have not received any further explanation. This story appeared on MSN news feed from one of their hundreds of other "News sources" and disappeared the same day. The story was strange so I didn't post it because it may have been "bait" for conspiracy writers (both Liberal and Conservative) to spin new stories.
Everyone on the Internet today can be a "journalist" and feed the fire of FEAR without reporting valid facts and sources referenced. This is an attack on our 1st Amendment and keeps us divided by creating Bull Schmidt journalism that riles up both sides to keep the fire going. It's all about Economics for ad space that keeps them funded.
Thanks,
Pat P.
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Post by pat perry on Jul 19, 2021 11:32:01 GMT 9
I found these links today. Now I can see why the first article was pulled from MSN News Feed:
Excerpt:
Following a directive from Defense Secretary Mark Esper, to remove photos from that paperwork, top Pentagon leadership Friday discussed the possibility of further streamlining the information available to promotion boards, to focus on accomplishments and experience. While senior officials have previously acknowledged that photos can affect a decision about a promotion, Esper is also considering whether names or sex “may trigger unconscious bias,” he said in a town hall livestreamed from the Pentagon briefing room.
www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2020/08/26/marine-corps-officially-removes-photo-requirements-for-promotions-packages/
www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/06/25/army-ditches-promotion-photos-as-part-of-an-effort-to-eliminate-unconcious-bias/
My take on this is when you are looking for a leader of Marines or Soldiers it's important not to make decisions based only on written evaluations of accomplishments and experience without names, pictures, or sex. You must consider the Mission of the receiving group for that promotion which may or may not be answered by the evaluations and accomplishments alone.
Is this assignment a hostile combat zone or a stateside training assignment? Can the candidate manage the transition based on previous experience & accomplishments? If this person is killed in action is anyone on the team able to take over immediately?
This is no decision a civilian Defense Secretary should make. We are not hiring for a McDonalds crew manager. We are hiring for force leadership and protection. We want the best person for the job no matter their name, sex, evaluations or accomplishments. The mission comes first or people will die. If our promotion boards can't be trusted to make good decisions they must be replaced by people who can.
Mark Esper is a combat veteran and the Republican appointed to the SEC DEF position:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Esper
I trust his decisions but hope he hasn't discounted putting the right people in place under him to make decisions.
Thanks,
Pat P.
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Post by Jim on Jul 19, 2021 13:16:40 GMT 9
I found these links today. Now I can see why the first article was pulled from MSN News Feed:
Excerpt:
Following a directive from Defense Secretary Mark Esper, to remove photos from that paperwork, top Pentagon leadership Friday discussed the possibility of further streamlining the information available to promotion boards, to focus on accomplishments and experience. While senior officials have previously acknowledged that photos can affect a decision about a promotion, Esper is also considering whether names or sex “may trigger unconscious bias,” he said in a town hall livestreamed from the Pentagon briefing room.
www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2020/08/26/marine-corps-officially-removes-photo-requirements-for-promotions-packages/
www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/06/25/army-ditches-promotion-photos-as-part-of-an-effort-to-eliminate-unconcious-bias/
My take on this is when you are looking for a leader of Marines or Soldiers it's important not to make decisions based only on written evaluations of accomplishments and experience without names, pictures, or sex. You must consider the Mission of the receiving group for that promotion which may or may not be answered by the evaluations and accomplishments alone.
Is this assignment a hostile combat zone or a stateside training assignment? Can the candidate manage the transition based on previous experience & accomplishments? If this person is killed in action is anyone on the team able to take over immediately?
This is no decision a civilian Defense Secretary should make. We are not hiring for a McDonalds crew manager. We are hiring for force leadership and protection. We want the best person for the job no matter their name, sex, evaluations or accomplishments. The mission comes first or people will die. If our promotion boards can't be trusted to make good decisions they must be replaced by people who can.
Mark Esper is a combat veteran and the Republican appointed to the SEC DEF position:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Esper
I trust his decisions but hope he hasn't discounted putting the right people in place under him to make decisions.
Thanks,
Pat P.
, as was Affirmative action. Place, Griffiss AFB, Rome, NY. 27thFIS. Needing 2 months TIG for TSGT....(I have told part or all of this story before, and you ain't seen nothing yet.) Word came to report to the orderly room- some of you might remember what that was. SSgt Gier to Chief Clerk " what do you need?", Chief Clerk, Sgt Gier you need to take this black marker and blacken out all reference to race on your Form 201 (that is or was that yellow 2 sided form that told a whole lot about you)" "Why?" Because ADC said so........ Yep, followed orders...... The following week all NCOs and A1c ordered to report to Base Photo Lab in Class A blues. Question: "Why?' Answer: " for your promotion selection folder." Additional info: Squadron commanders no longer promoted NCOs- Major Commands - Air Divisions and up promoted NCOs. Those who fail to remember history, are doomed to repeat it. It didn't work then, it won't work now.
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Post by Mark O on Jul 19, 2021 16:00:48 GMT 9
Totally get what you are saying there Old Sarge. Get this...
Black Airmen with shaving waivers are getting promoted slower than the rest? How about any other minority? WTF?? How in the world would the USAF know this for promotions to E-5 & E-6? They take a written test to get promoted for Jiminy Christmas. No pictures are involved, yet how do they know?
So tired of this stuff.
Mark O
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