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Post by Mark O on Apr 20, 2016 5:24:47 GMT 9
any ideas what this is?? Looks like a Rolls Royce/Packard Merlin. Mark O
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Post by Gene on Apr 20, 2016 6:06:04 GMT 9
might be the engine out of the mustang my dads working on?
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Post by Gene on Apr 20, 2016 6:08:07 GMT 9
any ideas what this is?? so this might be the powerplant out of a p51...
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Post by Jim on Apr 20, 2016 6:24:11 GMT 9
any ideas what this is?? [/quote ]should be a Rolls Royce Merlin, or second best, a Packard engine... With head(s) removed. The Allison built engine such as in the P-40 was an under powered engine
strange engine run JUST FOR GENE....... Leave this one play long after the video is done...To have flown in one of these was a greater thrill than my flight in the six.. To fly this thing for a total 3 hours, not even sex with 72 virgins could equal the orgasm of my solo flight!!!!!!! The only I could shut this off was to leave the site and come back!!!!!!
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Post by Gene on Apr 21, 2016 0:20:12 GMT 9
the whole film is interesting...but about 3 mins. in is about the 141... checkout the petal doors in the film... not what was used during its use.
check out the other videos at the end... the stealth 141 is really awesome...
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Post by Gene on Apr 27, 2016 2:43:51 GMT 9
for those of you that arent familiar...this is a 463L pallet with 2 side nets and 1 top net with plastic bag. its what i call 1 pallet position of cargo. there are rules about height and weight... there is another rule... it sits on 3 pieces of dunnage. primarily, so a forklift can scoop it up without to much hassle... during normal ops 'this' would be a no-no... a heavy pallet, nearing 10,000lbs in weight could damage the pallet, causing it to hangup in the intended a/c's cargo rail system... causing possible damage to a/c. and also causing delay of mission. class dismissed...
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Post by pat perry on Apr 27, 2016 8:26:38 GMT 9
for those of you that arent familiar...this is a 463L pallet with 2 side nets and 1 top net with plastic bag. its what i call 1 pallet position of cargo. there are rules about height and weight... there is another rule... it sits on 3 pieces of dunnage. primarily, so a forklift can scoop it up without to much hassle... during normal ops 'this' would be a no-no... a heavy pallet, nearing 10,000lbs in weight could damage the pallet, causing it to hangup in the intended a/c's cargo rail system... causing possible damage to a/c. and also causing delay of mission. class dismissed... Tell me all you know about LAPES.
Severe weather passing Abilene now headed for DFW. Hi winds, hail, rain due from 7-12PM. Tornado on the ground in OK.
Everyone is buckling up and battening down.
Pat P.
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Post by Gene on Apr 27, 2016 9:28:26 GMT 9
i worked the program at tcm in the '70's... they used 3 metric pallets joined together. added weight to simulate cargo... attached a cargo chute to the back. the 130 would come in low and slow. wheels down. there were timing panels setup on the makeshift extraction zone. at a certain point the aircraft would start a climb...the loadmaster would deploy the chute... the chute would pull the 3 pallet "sled" out the back ...the plane would power up and gain altitude... if the extraction was good the sled would hit the ground and slide forward eventually coming to a stop... sometimes the second pallet would jump up and piggyback the lead pallet.. this was not exceptable... the idea was thought up by a cmsgt in our aerial delivery shop several years before and used in viet nam. i dont remember his name, but he was a real good man.. always had good ideas.. the wing king wanted to re vitalize the program.( the first try at moses lake wa. was how i got involved with the combat control team (CCT) in the first place... after that i started getting recognized for my photo abilities and willingness to go the extra mile to complete the mission . not one of mine...
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Post by pat perry on Apr 27, 2016 21:37:53 GMT 9
i worked the program at tcm in the '70's... they used 3 metric pallets joined together. added weight to simulate cargo... attached a cargo chute to the back. the 130 would come in low and slow. wheels down. there were timing panels setup on the makeshift extraction zone. at a certain point the aircraft would start a climb...the loadmaster would deploy the chute... the chute would pull the 3 pallet "sled" out the back ...the plane would power up and gain altitude... if the extraction was good the sled would hit the ground and slide forward eventually coming to a stop... sometimes the second pallet would jump up and piggyback the lead pallet.. this was not exceptable... the idea was thought up by a cmsgt in our aerial delivery shop several years before and used in viet nam. i dont remember his name, but he was a real good man.. always had good ideas.. the wing king wanted to re vitalize the program.( the first try at moses lake wa. was how i got involved with the combat control team (CCT) in the first place... after that i started getting recognized for my photo abilities and willingness to go the extra mile to complete the mission . not one of mine...
Way cool! What extraction methods did we use in the middle east wars? What aircraft?
Most of the bad weather moved north around DFW and into OK. Had some 40-50 mph wind and some heavy rain for a short time here in Flower Mound.
Pat P.
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Post by MOW on Apr 27, 2016 22:14:24 GMT 9
for those of you that arent familiar...this is a 463L pallet with 2 side nets and 1 top net with plastic bag. its what i call 1 pallet position of cargo. there are rules about height and weight... there is another rule... it sits on 3 pieces of dunnage. primarily, so a forklift can scoop it up without to much hassle... during normal ops 'this' would be a no-no... a heavy pallet, nearing 10,000lbs in weight could damage the pallet, causing it to hangup in the intended a/c's cargo rail system... causing possible damage to a/c. and also causing delay of mission. class dismissed... When I worked on the C-141's at Travis thye were damn good beds for sleeping. When we flew that's where I was.
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Post by LBer1568 on Apr 27, 2016 23:16:05 GMT 9
i worked the program at tcm in the '70's... they used 3 metric pallets joined together. added weight to simulate cargo... attached a cargo chute to the back. the 130 would come in low and slow. wheels down. there were timing panels setup on the makeshift extraction zone. at a certain point the aircraft would start a climb...the loadmaster would deploy the chute... the chute would pull the 3 pallet "sled" out the back ...the plane would power up and gain altitude... if the extraction was good the sled would hit the ground and slide forward eventually coming to a stop... sometimes the second pallet would jump up and piggyback the lead pallet.. this was not exceptable... the idea was thought up by a cmsgt in our aerial delivery shop several years before and used in viet nam. i dont remember his name, but he was a real good man.. always had good ideas.. the wing king wanted to re vitalize the program.( the first try at moses lake wa. was how i got involved with the combat control team (CCT) in the first place... after that i started getting recognized for my photo abilities and willingness to go the extra mile to complete the mission . I remember a C-130 at Pope AFB back in 80's that was doing a LAPES delivery during an air show at Ft Bragg (Next to Pope). The pilot got behind the power curve and cut the corner too fast, losing Airspeed. As cargo was extracting he belly flopped the Herc and then slid into some Army guys/trucks watching from sidelines. Lorin not one of mine...
Way cool! What extraction methods did we use in the middle east wars? What aircraft?
Most of the bad weather moved north around DFW and into OK. Had some 40-50 mph wind and some heavy rain for a short time here in Flower Mound.
Pat P.
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Post by Gene on Apr 28, 2016 1:28:22 GMT 9
for those of you that arent familiar...this is a 463L pallet with 2 side nets and 1 top net with plastic bag. its what i call 1 pallet position of cargo. there are rules about height and weight... there is another rule... it sits on 3 pieces of dunnage. primarily, so a forklift can scoop it up without to much hassle... during normal ops 'this' would be a no-no... a heavy pallet, nearing 10,000lbs in weight could damage the pallet, causing it to hangup in the intended a/c's cargo rail system... causing possible damage to a/c. and also causing delay of mission. class dismissed... When I worked on the C-141's at Travis thye were damn good beds for sleeping. When we flew that's where I was. when i flew a low profile pallet was a good spot too. but usually there was a prc108. modified m151 jeep on board and we took turns snoozing in it...
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Post by Mark O on Apr 28, 2016 6:35:31 GMT 9
Way cool! What extraction methods did we use in the middle east wars? What aircraft? Pat P.
They stopped using LAPES long before I became a Herk FE. I remember that incident at Bragg, as I had just PCS'd to Ft. Lewis. The comments made in the video pretty much hit it right on. He came in too steep, and too fast. (BTW, that was a 40th Tactical Airlift Squadron C-130. Same unit I was in before they moved to Dyess.) Over in the desert we rarely needed to make drops, but I got lucky enough to do one in Afghanistan. It was a standard, nothing unique about it drop of 'beans & bullets' to some Special Forces bubbas who were out in the middle of nowhere. We practiced drops like that all the time, and that was why we practiced. No videos from the desert, but we did stuff like they did in this video from Khe Sanh. The rolling offload you see we also practiced, but rarely did. (I only did it a couple times in school.) A bit on the LAPES near the end of the video. On occasion the C-17s would do mass drops of humanitarian rations over there. The reason they did them is they could carry more than we could, and do it with fewer aircraft. Mark O
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Post by Gene on Apr 28, 2016 7:06:31 GMT 9
they started doing what is shown here, with C17s at tmc about 10 years ago... we built dummy loads using the metric airdrop pallets... dummies were about 4,000lbs. a C17 would do a fast taxi into the infield short strip, that was built for the herks in the 70's., drop the ramp to almost ground level and do a quick start that would jettison the pallets onto the ground, then they would do a fast taxi, either to the active for a local or back to their parking spot. after the a/c was away from the area a waiting 10K AT would be waiting to pickup and stack the ' pallets' out of the way so the next a/c could do it too. this was the bane of my day... go out with the AT and wait... because the ATOC told us to. those 'A' holes didnt want the aircrews inconvenienced. somtimes we went out and just sat there, cause for some reason that 'mission' was canx'ed... but wait we (i) did... the tower rats werent happy either cause we had to go into the activeway to do this... had to use a radio with the tower 'freq' and use the language protocols to communicate... at the end of these practice runs a loading truck would come out and we loaded the pallets on them... they returned the pallets to out duty section where we had to check for wear and tear on the loads...
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Post by pat perry on Apr 28, 2016 9:41:00 GMT 9
Thanks Mark, I was in the 374th FMS at Naha AB, Okinawa. We had a lot of Hercs in country all the time and in Ubon AB Thailand.
Was always amazed at what that bird could do.
Have never seen a C-17 up close but look forward to it. Thanks, Pat P
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Post by Jim on Apr 28, 2016 10:09:47 GMT 9
they started doing what is shown here, with C17s at tmc about 10 years ago... we built dummy loads using the metric airdrop pallets... dummies were about 4,000lbs. a C17 would do a fast taxi into the infield short strip, that was built for the herks in the 70's., drop the ramp to almost ground level and do a quick start that would jettison the pallets onto the ground, then they would do a fast taxi, either to the active for a local or back to their parking spot. after the a/c was away from the area a waiting 10K AT would be waiting to pickup and stack the ' pallets' out of the way so the next a/c could do it too. this was the bane of my day... go out with the AT and wait... because the ATOC told us to. those 'A' holes didnt want the aircrews inconvenienced. somtimes we went out and just sat there, cause for some reason that 'mission' was canx'ed... but wait we (i) did... the tower rats werent happy either cause we had to go into the activeway to do this... had to use a radio with the tower 'freq' and use the language protocols to communicate... at the end of these practice runs a loading truck would come out and we loaded the pallets on them... they returned the pallets to out duty section where we had to check for wear and tear on the loads... Now, that is a forklift.......
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Post by Gene on Apr 28, 2016 11:32:37 GMT 9
and a kick in the ass to operate...
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