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Post by Jim on Jul 30, 2014 14:28:13 GMT 9
Hi Jim, Amazing story. Regret to say that I am familiar with the "rewards" given to enlisted troops for doing the right thing. Oh well, "no good deed goes unpunished," right? Fortunately, I have to say that most of the officers that I've worked for in my former Army Reserve unit took great care of us and still look out for us even after our days in uniform are over. But there have been just a handful of very conspicuous exceptions.... I think that people really underestimate just how much of a beating the F-101 could take. As I recall, it was a chemically-milled skin. What is it made out of? From photographs of bare metal aircraft, it has the same dull look of areas that have magnesium or Alclad panels. I could see McDonnell doing something like magnesium to save weight in what was originally a long-range escort fighter, but it seems like even back in the Gung-Ho fifties using magnesium in such a critical area might have been pushing it a bit. Cheers! It was a chemically milled aluminum skin that was then clad in almost pure aluminum for corrosion and then heavily coated in zinc chromate on the underside with different alloy coating on top, the reason for the dull appearance...... The reason for using chem milled skin was that there were no machine marks for stress to originate in. It was extremely expensive and rarely was it ever repaired with standard sheet metal practices......... The vast majority of the six's wing skin is also chem milled.
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Post by bigron427 on Dec 3, 2014 13:19:25 GMT 9
Hi Jim, Very sorry for the long absence. It is hard to believe that it's been that long. Recently, in Florissant, MO, the Missouri Aviation Historical Society had an event commemorating the 60th anniversary. A lot of retired McDonnell types reside there, and I had planned to give a presentation on the Voodoo and sign some books but they were not ready in time (still not, but they are finally on the way!) After I had to back out, Dan O'Hara, the president of the organization, reached out and actually got together a pretty large panel, with more in the audience. Among the attendees, though not on the panel, was Bob Little himself. I've included a photograph that Mark Nankivil forwarded to me. Bob Little is toward the middle in the long tan jacket. He is now 92 years old and Dan has since told me that he looks great and is still razor sharp. He was there with his wife, daughter, and young grandchild, who attended in his Weblos uniform. Sounds like everyone had a great time! Starting tonight, if I have anything to post, I'm going to get back on the stick here with regard to posting updates of the day. Things have been crazy busy, but it has all bee good, exciting stuff!
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Post by bigron427 on Dec 3, 2014 13:22:56 GMT 9
Looks like the next little update is due December 4th. Stay tuned!
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Post by Jim on Dec 6, 2014 1:26:13 GMT 9
Looks like the next little update is due December 4th. Stay tuned! BIGRON, you are a bit late...... Missed your postings.... You SIXERS, notice a similarity between BIGRON'S dedication to the VOODOO and Erv's dedication to the DART? ?? The Old Sarge
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Post by bigron427 on Jan 31, 2015 3:24:55 GMT 9
Hi Jim!
Thanks for the kind words! Mass insanity on my end recently, but determined to get back in the saddle over here and stay on this time!
More to follow...stay tuned!
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Post by bigron427 on Feb 5, 2015 5:29:16 GMT 9
This Day in Voodoo History, February 4: In 1963, a major mid-life upgrade of the F-101B began under Project Bold Journey. In the first phase, an advanced infrared system was installed, replacing the refueling probe in the nose. The addition of the new IRST allowed the F-101B to detect the heat signatures of approaching bombers and cruise missiles, allowing targeting of improved AIM-4D Falcon missiles even in the face of intense jamming. Similar equipment was also retrofitted onto Convair F-102A and F-106 interceptors.
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Post by bigron427 on Feb 6, 2015 9:23:11 GMT 9
This Day in Voodoo History, February 5th:
In 1958, the VooDoo fleet experienced the first of several groundings due to leaks in the fuel and hydraulic systems, leading to a number of catastrophic failures, collapsed landing gear, and in-flight fires. In this instance, the F-101 was grounded for inspection and repair of “Marman clamps” connecting fuel lines to the main tanks. One of the founders of the Marman Corporation in the mid-1940s was engineer Herbert M. Marx, known to millions as the “fourth” of the famous Marx Brothers, “Zeppo” Marx, who usually played both the straight man and romantic lead in many of their films.
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Post by bigron427 on Feb 11, 2015 10:22:46 GMT 9
This Day in Voodoo History, February 6:
In 1951, the USAF discussed the “ultimate” version of the new SAC escort fighter, defining performance needed to match the speed, range, and altitude newer jet bombers such as the Boeing B-47B. It would have to be able to cruise at 560 mph over a radius of 1,500 miles and be able to exceed the performance of Soviet interceptors capable of over 900 mph and 60,000 feet, anticipated by 1956. The AN/APG-37 radar originally developed for the F-86D interceptor was considered for the new design. In March 1951, an improved VooDoo, the Model 36F with Westinghouse J46 engines, would be selected.
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Post by bigron427 on Feb 11, 2015 10:25:49 GMT 9
This Day in Voodoo History, February 8: In 1963, McDonnell released its final model for the VooDoo, a modification to the RF-101 as the Model 36DH. Sharing equipment with the new McDonnell RF-4C, the equipment would be incorporated into the fleet under “Project 1181.” The KA-2 cameras were replaced with new KS-72 cameras along with a new control system, while the KA-1 cameras were retained. A compact KA-56 panoramic camera provided horizon-to-horizon coverage. After the miserable experience over Cuba in 1962, the Project 1181 modification gave the old RF-101C new and highly-demanded capabilities. On the same day in 1967, Capt. John Rogers was hit by anti-aircraft artillery over a coastal objective in North Vietnam and ejected just offshore. Racing against enemy junks and sampans, US Navy A-1 Skyraiders arrived to cover his rescue by the destroyer USS Cunningham.
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Post by bigron427 on Feb 11, 2015 10:27:59 GMT 9
This Day in Voodoo History, February 9: In 1956, the USAF approved a “standard” afterburner for the F-101B in place of the original “short” afterburner. The short afterburners were needed to allow room to rotate the nose for takeoff and landing, but with the longer tail and extended landing gear of the F-101 it could safely accommodate a larger engine. The afterburner nozzle of the J57-P-23 engine of the F-102 was mounted to the J57-P-13 engine to yield the J57-P-53. Due to increased mixing of fuel and residual oxygen in the longer tail pipe, the J57-P-53 saw a 1,000-pound increase in thrust. More advanced designs with convergent-divergent nozzles, such as the J57-P-35 promising 17,200 pounds, were being evaluated.
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Post by bigron427 on Feb 13, 2015 9:59:23 GMT 9
February 12th:
In 1952, McDonnell proposed a reconnaissance derivative of the new F-101A, equipped with the new, high-resolution KA-1 camera. Circumspect about the idea, the USAF subsequently considered an interchangeable reconnaissance nose carrying cameras instead of radar and guns.
On the same day in 1966, a pair of RF-101Cs that were apparently several miles inside the Chinese border with North Vietnam at 40,000 feet sighted a pair of fast-moving contrails coming toward them on a southerly heading, which then made an abrupt turn to the west. Although no positive ID could be made, they were suspected to be Chinese MiGs.
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Post by Jim on Feb 13, 2015 12:11:51 GMT 9
February 12th: In 1952, McDonnell proposed a reconnaissance derivative of the new F-101A, equipped with the new, high-resolution KA-1 camera. Circumspect about the idea, the USAF subsequently considered an interchangeable reconnaissance nose carrying cameras instead of radar and guns. On the same day in 1966, a pair of RF-101Cs that were apparently several miles inside the Chinese border with North Vietnam at 40,000 feet sighted a pair of fast-moving contrails coming toward them on a southerly heading, which then made an abrupt turn to the west. Although no positive ID could be made, they were suspected to be Chinese MiGs. There was a lot of talk about this in the 45TRS det1 OPS........
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Post by bigron427 on Feb 13, 2015 13:02:57 GMT 9
Hi Jim,
Somewhere in my notes, I have coordinates for that little incident. I plugged each set that I found in that report into Google Earth. That one was a bit, uh, interesting. Sounds like a story to be told over a few cold beers.
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Post by bigron427 on Feb 16, 2015 15:39:20 GMT 9
February 14: In 1947, a revised McDonnell XP-88 design was approved for production by Air Materiel Command. The most conspicuous change was the change from the unusual “Vee” tail of the original design to a more conventional arrangement. The contract specified an estimated cost of $5,014,191.10 along with a fee of $285,808.90. This is a photo of the mock-up for what was then the XP-88. Photo Credit: NARA via Tony Buttler
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Post by bigron427 on Feb 17, 2015 4:57:48 GMT 9
February 16: In 1953, conversion of the first VooDoo prototype to the XF-88B had been completed, and the first ground run of the new Allison XT38-A-5 turboprop engine took place. The new engine ran successfully for 29 minutes during the initial test run. On the same date in 1955, procurement of two Y/IF-101A and 26 IF-101A interceptor versions of the VooDoo was authorized. Also, in 1971, the last 13 active USAF RF-101s, all A-model aircraft, were transferred to the 191st TRG of the Michigan Air National Guard from the 31st TRTS of the 363rd TRW. This photo shows the ground run of the new Allison XT38 turboprop with its initial Curtiss "Phase II" subsonic propeller. Once turned over to NACA, it would be used for many years in testing a variety of supersonic and transonic propeller designs. Photo Credit: Art Davies, Jr. Collection, Greater St. Louis Air & Space Museum.
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Post by bigron427 on Feb 27, 2015 13:34:22 GMT 9
February 25: In 1955, the IF-101A interceptor program was officially endorsed by Headquarters USAF. This would lead to the F-101B version that served into the mid-1980s. Photo: The IF-101A was one of two different Voodoo interceptor proposals considered for production as a backstop to the continually delayed F-102 program. While the proposed IF-101B had systems more along the lines of the "ultimate" F-102B interceptor (to become the F-106), The IF-101A was a minimum-change version of the basic F-101A that would borrow the fire control system and armament of the "interim" F-102A to provide a high-performance long-range interceptor with a relative minimum of technical risk. Within a short period of time, the IF-101A concept would undergo rapid evolution. Here, the J57-P-13 engines and "pitch-up fillets" that first appeared on Block 15 F-101A aircraft are visible. Photo Credit: McDonnell Douglas via Bert Kinsey / Detail & Scale
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Post by bigron427 on Apr 17, 2015 7:04:53 GMT 9
Okay, guys...I'm back on the clock! One of the things that happened on this date almost broke up NATO.
April 16th:
In 1954, the new Eisenhower administration issued a “stop production” order for all aircraft allocated under FY 1954 funding. The reduced urgency of the F-101A program led to a temporary production hold order the following month, pending flight test results.
On the same date in 1965, the VooDoo caused a crisis within NATO when an RF-101C on a training mission inadvertently photographed a secret French nuclear installation. Caught in a lie about the nature of the incident, the French government ordered American forces out of France and subsequently withdrew from NATO.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Apr 17, 2015 8:15:51 GMT 9
Okay, guys...I'm back on the clock! One of the things that happened on this date almost broke up NATO. April 16th: In 1954, the new Eisenhower administration issued a “stop production” order for all aircraft allocated under FY 1954 funding. The reduced urgency of the F-101A program led to a temporary production hold order the following month, pending flight test results. On the same date in 1965, the VooDoo caused a crisis within NATO when an RF-101C on a training mission inadvertently photographed a secret French nuclear installation. Caught in a lie about the nature of the incident, the French government ordered American forces out of France and subsequently withdrew from NATO. Eisenhower cutbacks:
During the Eisenhower tenure, the Military went through some interesting times.
Years without pay raises, introduction of CHAMPUS, changes to the Retirement System, cutbacks on operating budgets.
There were a couple times, while I was at The SCAB, when there was only fuel for the alert birds, and many pilots struggled to keep current.
Things got so bad, ADC "borrowed" JP-4 from SAC.
Tank trucks from Offutt and Lincoln came to Sioux City and the fuel was pumped in to the base storage tanks.
Many people got out, some with over 15 years, and TSgt, as they couldn't make it with the families they had.
Pretty rough times.
I think, of the regular posters, The Old Sarge and I are the only ones who made it through those times.
deGaulle fit of pique:
I knew guys who were stationed in France at that time.
deGaulle got caught, didn't like it and kicked out the ones who caught him.
Our Military had very little time to get out, but made the most of it.
They loaded up every bit of equipment they could on every type of vehicle they could find, including planes and private vehicles of the troops, and took all the stuff to Germany.
When the French went to take control of the bases, the only equipment they found was unusable or not reparable.
I understand the General was not a bit happy, but it was his own fault.
As I recall, our Military even emptied the fuel storage tanks, by trucking the fuel to Germany.
None of the guys I knew were unhappy about leaving France.
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