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Post by Mark O on Mar 30, 2014 3:46:44 GMT 9
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Mar 30, 2014 4:19:07 GMT 9
When we lived in Overton, Nevada, 1984 - 1993, we were SE of Area 51, and had people from the community who worked there.
They would drive to Nellis and board a white 737, which took them to "work".
When they checked in, the crews they were relieving boarded the plane.
They worked several days on and several off, both military and civilian.
On the East side of the Air Force property is a range of mountains.
People used to drive to areas north of Rachael and four-wheel as high as they could, then get there telephoto lenses out and try to take pictures of what was going on in Area 51/Groom Lake.
Some time back, the Air Force took control of both sides of the mountains, and they patrol the area, ground and helicopter, to make sure people stay out.
There were frequent sightings of various things in the sky, mostly at night, that you could see from many places far Eastern Clark County and on in to Arizona and Utah.
Lots of barren desert there, so not a lot of people to worry about.
I'm sure there are still observers getting as close as possible, even with patrols, as it is a lot of ground to cover.
Who knows what is going on up there, I sure don't, and most of those posting stories and pictures don't.
However, I think the pictures Mark posted are real, unless someone proves them otherwise.
For them to be flying over Texas, they were either launched from New Mexico, or have a long range, if launched from Groom Lake.
Secrets abound, especially when it is something that the government doesn't want the media or the people to know about.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Mar 30, 2014 5:26:32 GMT 9
I chould add to my comments in the previous post via an edit, but choose to post in a new post.
Whatever the three planes are, and we know they are real, for them to fly in daylight is an obvious planned event.
When in Nevada, one of the men in our church was a SSgt, airplane mechanic, who worked on the F-117.
I knew what he was working on, but he could tell me nothing, even though I knew, he could not confirm it.
His security clearance was at risk if he did say anything, and I knew it.
That was about the time the AF took control of the BLM land around Area 51/Groom Lake.
U.S. 95 passes the area to the West and Nevada 375, the Extraterrestrial Highway is to the South and Southeast, U.S. 93 is to the East as is Nevada 318, U.S. 6 is on the North.
There are only trails going toward the site from the East or North.
Normal access is from U.S. 95 on the West.
Now, for all these "Black Aircraft" to remain secret, there has to be a lot of effort in keeping them so.
However, as we have seen in the past, secrets manage to find their ways in to the hands of those we don't want them to.
So, does Ivan (Vladimir Putin), the ChiComs, or others know what is going on?
I wouldn't bet any money that they don't, and are making preparations to counter whatever it is.
It is worth reading the linked post, in the second link Mark posted, as it has more information.
The author, has come to an idea that they are "Stealth Transports".
Sound crazy?
Maybe not, stranger things have happened.
Bye the way, whatever happened to Aurora?
And, has the Blackbird really retired?
Jim Too
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Post by Diamondback on Mar 30, 2014 8:03:25 GMT 9
I've long thought it hinky that we didn't have any surreptitious means of large-scale personnel/gear delivery other than the Pave Low force, and possibly spuriously-repainted C-130s. (Let's face it, damn near EVERYBODY outside the former ComBloc flies Herky Birds, they seldom get a second look.)
PL had its own set of limitations, and the 130 approach only works by being nondescript--a real stealth capability, the bad guys don't know you're there until crap's blowing up all around 'em or they're suddenly and unexpectedly staring down Marine/SEAL/Ranger rifle barrels.
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Post by pat perry on Mar 30, 2014 8:34:00 GMT 9
I've long thought it hinky that we didn't have any surreptitious means of large-scale personnel/gear delivery other than the Pave Low force, and possibly spuriously-repainted C-130s. (Let's face it, damn near EVERYBODY outside the former ComBloc flies Herky Birds, they seldom get a second look.) PL had its own set of limitations, and the 130 approach only works by being nondescript--a real stealth capability, the bad guys don't know you're there until crap's blowing up all around 'em or they're suddenly and unexpectedly staring down Marine/SEAL/Ranger rifle barrels. OK, what does PAVE low, high, medium mean? Is PAVE an acronym? If so, what does it stand for? Pat P.
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Post by Diamondback on Mar 30, 2014 10:44:10 GMT 9
Pat, Pave Low was the HH/MH-53H/J/M CSAR/Special Ops choppers rebuilt from Super Jollies starting around the early to mid-Eighties. Even they weren't large scale, putting in maybe a squad per bird... and even then, their approach to being sneaky was nap-of-the-earth and terrain-masking. www.hurlburt.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=10952
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Post by pat perry on Mar 30, 2014 11:41:25 GMT 9
Pat, Pave Low was the HH/MH-53H/J/M CSAR/Special Ops choppers rebuilt from Super Jollies starting around the early to mid-Eighties. Even they weren't large scale, putting in maybe a squad per bird... and even then, their approach to being sneaky was nap-of-the-earth and terrain-masking. www.hurlburt.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=10952Good info. I was wondering what PAVE meant. Kind of like the F-117 prototype was code named Have Blue which was a reference to the Hope Diamond which was the largest Blue Diamond ever discovered. I asked that question on Bing and got this: PAVE or Pave is a USAF code name for a number of weapons systems using advanced electronics. Some point to the definition of PAVE in some military glossaries as "Precision Avionics Vectoring Equipment" or "Precision Acquisition Vehicle Entry". and also this www.aerofiles.com/pave.htmlSeems that some are acronyms and others are related code words to mystify meaning. Pat P.
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Post by MOW on Mar 30, 2014 12:28:12 GMT 9
PAVE LOW is the correct acronym and stands for Phased Array Vertical Emission / Low Object Warning
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Post by Diamondback on Mar 30, 2014 14:27:50 GMT 9
Also, since part of Arms Limitations treaties is a right to inspect certain sites, I'd bet the Russkies made damn sure to put Dreamland on that list and know more about things there than we do. (At least, *I* woulda if I were them...)
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Post by Gene on May 14, 2016 5:06:47 GMT 9
click to enlarge.... couldn't find page 3...
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Post by pat perry on May 14, 2016 6:22:31 GMT 9
click to enlarge.... couldn't find page 3... I'm betting it's underwater.
Pat P.
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