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Post by Bullhunter on May 3, 2013 14:10:45 GMT 9
This is directly out of my copyrighted CD/Book. My first talk with Old Shakey CMSgt, USAF. Those early days in 1972/73 working C-141's at Norton AFB, CA. Obsorbed a lot of information and learned quality skills in those first few years. We had an old Chief Master Sgt that was nicknamed Old Shakey before I arrived there. I think it was because of his age and that he had spent most of his career working on old propellor driven aircraft like C-124's starting back in the 1950's. But he was a very stern and very fair boss, and stood-up for his people. I can still remember my first talk with him. The USAF sure could use more like him now-a-days! I was assigned to the 63rd Field Maintenance Squadron and I was surprised when they asked me where I wanted to work. Wow! - Someone in authority was actually asking me my opinion or desire, not telling me what my opinion should be or what I should like. This was real refreshing. I responded by saying, “I’m a country farm boy and always enjoy the outdoors, so I’d like to work the flightline.” The next thing I knew they had someone from the flightline dispatch maintenance section escorting me down to the dispatch office to meet the Chief Master Sergeant in-charge. The chief and I had a long discussion. He did most of the talking, and I listened. It was mostly all about safety, who was who in the squadron, location of other shops, working hours, etc. He said that I would be working with civilians and some of them were reservists. He then asked me, “What does this say?” as he pointed to the U.S Air Force tag on his uniform above his shirt pocked. I quickly replied, “Sir, United States Air Force”. He then went on and asked, “What is above your uniform pocket Airman Price?” I replied again, “United States Air Force, Sir”. Then he told me, “Get up and look out that window at the aircraft packed out on the Flightline – what do you see painted on the sides of them?” Again I replied, “United States Air Force.” He went on to say, “Your very observant and that is correct, and when you are working on a jet with a civilian you represent the United States Air Force, you are in charge – but listen to the civilians experience and direction, as you are responsible for the job.”
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Post by Jim on May 4, 2013 0:34:09 GMT 9
Gary, I too, had a similar talking to. It seemed that the more I watched the old TSgt and MSgt of my time (they came from WW2 and Korean War- long before PC), the more I learned. It wasn't always what or how I should be doing something, sometimes it was how not to do it as well.... I had old time mentors- even beyond 20 years time in service...... I was being mentored, even while I was mentoring.....
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Post by MOW on May 4, 2013 9:40:23 GMT 9
TSgt James' Jimmy' Dean...joked with often about Jimmy Dean pure pork sausage. My first supervisor and mentor. Small guy but tough as nails. X ranger. Still a tsgt after 20 years because he couldn't keep his opinions to himself. ..but what good opinions he always had. As most of you I was lucky to have such a grounded, good role model to start me out.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on May 4, 2013 11:47:56 GMT 9
When I arrived at The SCAB, in November 1952, I was 17 years old, fresh out of Tech School at Shepherd, and really wet, REALY WET, behind the ears.
When I finished my several weeks of playing Sky Cop, doing guard duty, I had become 18, and had yet to meet the men I would work for and with in the 79th Airbase Squadron.
Captain Erickson was the OIC of the maintenance section, along with being our test pilot for the C-47 and T-6.
All of our senior NCOs were WW2 veterans, some with lots of decorations for the time they spent flying from England and North Africa to Germany, and back.
Those senior NCOs were all mentors.
More than one took me and a couple of other young Airmen, all PFCs, under their wings and gave us many lessons in being a good member of the Air Force.
Captain Erickson talked to me on more than one occasion, one-on-one, in his office.
Not to chew me out, but to make sure I was headed in the right direction.
Like Jim, my mentoring went on for the entirity of my career, from "old guys" who had the experience of many more years than I did.
Even at the end of my career, in Jan 1972, I still had the privilege of serving with a few who had been in during WW2, and lots from Korea.
I think the lessons those fine men taught me, many learned the hard way, helped me to make my after retirement career easier, even in difficult times.
I wonder how much of that kind of mentoring goes on to-day, when everyone is afraid of their shadow and trying to keep from losing their career over a mistake they or someone under them made.
The best mentors I had were men who were more interested in seeing me do a good job, than getting pats on the back for what they were doing.
In the end, they got the accolades they deserved.
Maybe not some ribbon to put on their uniform, but the thanks of those they mentored and the satisfaction of seeing those young Airmen become mentors.
Jim Too
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Post by Bullhunter on May 9, 2013 2:25:55 GMT 9
This is another story out of my CD/Book. I tell ya its nice to just copy and paste these stories. This book is one of the best things I ever put together. My kids and relatives have enjoy it. People who have purchased it from me have expressed how much they enjoyed it and made them laugh. Want a copy just message me.
This is one of those quick and quiet talks that leave an impression on a young troop. It did me. It was that old Chief that had the nickname, Old Shakey. God Bless him.
One of the first jet engine maintenance jobs I completed by myself as a 5 level journeymen did not go so well. The aircraft had a high priority mission to fly and I was dispatched to fix something. I don’t recall what it was. I troubleshot the failure and ordered the new part. Upon removing the defective part some of the minor hardware was corroded, so I ordered the mounting hardware also. As luck would have it supply delivered the wrong part. So I had to reorder the part and it then arrived late. The hardware mount bolts were the wrong size so I sent for the proper size bolts. The aircraft departed the base almost 2 hours late.
As I headed back toward the shop I rehearsed what I was going to tell the chief if he asked, I went over and over it in my head, all that had happened to me on that job. Well, when I entered the shop the chief asked me to step into his office and close the door. The question to me was, “What happened out there, that mission was about 2 hours late taking off?” I gave the chief a blow-by-blow account of what happened on the job as he just reclined in his chair and listened. When I had finished my briefing he leaned forward with his elbows on the desk so he could close the gap between us and said in a low voice, “Airman Price, results impress me, not excuses, you may leave now.” For the rest of my Air Force career I never offered up any excuses. The old chief was a wise man and I was going to learn from him and many others like him. Over the years I have used this same lesson and statement with my own children. "Results impress me, not excuses"
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Post by LBer1568 on May 9, 2013 10:59:55 GMT 9
I joined AF in Apr 1963. I finished Basic and was sent to Lowry for MA-1 School. Well after getting to Lowry, I spent 6 weeks on KP duty while they finished my Secret Clearance. Then was the Basic Electronics school and MA-1 SETS training. Then on to McGuire with 539th FIS. The first thing happened there was 6 months of 5 level FTD classes 4-5 hours a day, followed by a full shift of work. Sometimes if most Aircraft were in Commission we could get back to barracks by 1-2 in morning. Then after all the schooling and dedicated OJT I was awarded a 5-level. I got Honor Grad at Lowry and for FTD at McGuire. I was very dedicated to fixing MA-1 systems. Well after getting an OJT Test by 7-level SSgt Benjamin (Classy MA-1 troop A+) I got to go out and fix MA-1 systems. Early on it was Berry go pull X box and take to mock up for check out. Then I got assigned to TSgt Jim Neece's crew. He would say Berry go to Debriefing and find out what is wrong on 2528/30/31. Our B-Models. All round eye's. After debriefing, he would call for power and A/C units and ask me what I thought was wrong. We would discuss it and he would call in ETIC. I really liked working for him and busted my butt to get MA-1 systems fixed. He trusted me and I learned a lot in short time. It wasn't long until I earned my wings and got to work Quick Fix. For you not familiar with F-106/MA-1 in early days, either MA-1 was so bad, or pilots afraid it would break that they came through Quick Fix to get minor tweaks made. Usually failure to lock on, or steering dot on RADAR screen was acting weird. back then our power systems were often different than Ground Power units so alignments made under Ground power needed tweaking after engine start. Then after flight done for day I would get to work on broke MA-1 system. Working swings most of time, we didn't get to go home until mids had all remaining birds covered. So lots of long shifts. After about a year on swings and mids I got assigned to day shift. There too I would work Quick Fix and after birds airborn get to work on broke bird. One day I came to work and relieved a mid shift crew of a TSgt and SSgt, both 7 levels and two really good techs. They briefed that computer was broke and Radar would transmit. And they were miffed and had no idea how to start to fix it. So out to Aircraft I went. Being new on days the expediter came by and asked my ETIC since bird was on afternoon schedule. I said I'll try for 10:30 (it was about 7:15). So they left me. About 5 minutes later they came and took my power unit to go refuel it. So while I was waiting Expediter came back by asking for updated ETIC... I said I am in work stoppage for AGE. They said what update? I said I don't know I haven't powered up system yet to look it over, and let them know what mids had left me with. Well as a 2-stripper they asked for MA-1 to dispatch supervisor to aircraft. So TSgt Jim Neece came out and asked what was issue. I told him mids was miffed and I didn't have any power so how could I give them update. He gave them the same 10:30 as I had earlier and asked me to check it out ASAP after power. Well after Power unit was back I power up and start troubleshooting. So many things were broke it was difficult to get a good fix. Then one of my roommates came by and told me mids had used it as parts supply to get several birds fixed. And knowing some of guys who did it, they didn't put new units back into bird, but just swapped my boxes for their's. I was pissed. First off 2 good techs failed to let me know they had used it as supply unit, and now everyone was on my butt to fix it. I called for Blue 1 (MA-1) and told them what I had just learned. So they parked our MA-1 spares truck at my bird and I started doing pre-flight and fixing things as I went. UHF first, then TACAN and about then our MA-1 Chief came out to ask why I wasn't co-operating??? I said Chief I am fixing it as fast as I can, not telling him mids had screwed it up. He said well this bird better be in-commission for 1300 TO. Not being the best at tactful responses I said Chief I am doing my best, but if you want to order MA-1 to fix itself maybe we can make TO. Otherwise I am best chance you got to make that TO Time. He gave me a few best wishes and talked about barracks clean-up. KP and other extra duties for me if I talked to him like that again. Then he stormed out to find TSgt Jim Neece. Well by then I was doing computer diagnostics and had replace 4 of the 7 boxes and was about fixed. Jim came up and asked what I had said to chief. I told him and he said keep working and he will do interference. Well long story short, I had to replace about 4 Radar boxes and do steering loop and few other alignments to scope. I then called for A/C run to check system on A/C power. Job Control was pissed, saying A/C, except MA-1 was Code 1 and fueled. I replied something like without MA-1 you have a powerful jet dryer. So crew Chief came out and started, I got Jim Neece to watch scope and I did alignment to scope and Radar steering on A/C power. I then did radio check with tower, then called Maintenance Control and gave them MA-1 Code 1 at 10:25. I made my ETIC. Well A/C came back from after noon flight Code 1 and flew twice more that day with one Code 2 for radio static which turned out to be pilots mic. I went home about 7PM after getting to office at 6:45 and was very happy with my day. Next morning I was getting coffee and Chief came up and said something to effect that a good ass chewing gets results...I bit my tongue and drank my coffee. Biggest problem we had back in early days of MA-1 was most senior NCO's in MA-1 had no formal schooling on MA-1 and had been old school on F-80/90 series and had no idea on how to fix system. So we had our issues. But after that I very seldom got grief from expediters, even though I was a lowly 2 stripper. Our Chief was Siegfried Foster and was about 5'6 and hefty. He had been a jet mechanic, but was given MA-1 because they didn't have any senior NCO's. He always smoked a pipe and did paperwork in his office. Throughout my career I always worked to know as much as my team so I could lead by example. I went to factory school on C-130 Simulator as E-8 selectee. And I was honor grad from class. So when I was back in office, no one could snow me with tech talk. A few months later I was selected to go to WPAFB as lead C-130 Simulator Test Director. That was fun, going out to do acceptance testing on all C-130 Simulators. And even during Maintainability testing I surprised the AF test team by running some diagnostics and pre-flights of sims. Then didn't know I had been to factory school on equipment. As I look back over my career, I always tried to lead by example and run cover for those who made me look good. I did have some great mentors, Chief Stanley Webb at RAF Upper Heyford was the best of the best. I went from SSgt to MSgt under his watch. Chief Billy Richards at WPAFB was in same category.
Lorin
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Post by Bullhunter on May 10, 2013 3:19:32 GMT 9
Great story Lorin with lots of technical stuff, and it was written so well we all could understand it, no matter what our career field was. Thanks.
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