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Post by Cougar on May 3, 2004 0:03:26 GMT 9
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Post by LtCol M Ross Shulmister on May 3, 2004 8:52:56 GMT 9
I'm not sure if you're referring to a high speed yo-yo maneuver in the vertical or in the horizontal. I can't really comprehend a Thud doing a vertical yo-yo – they tended to run out of airspeed when pointed up.
The yo-yo maneuver I'm familiar with involved several reversals of direction of turn, pulling Hi-G's. It was high-G to (for example) the left, rapid roll into the other direction and Hi-G's, etc. These were especially important when dodging a SAM, and even a AIM. Missiles always tried to cut you off by turning a tighter turn, if behind you, and the yo-yo in the horizontal caused them to overbank, and either lose lock or stall (assuming you took action quickly enough).
When dealing with a fighter on your six, the same principle applied.
Of course, the primary defensive tactic in the Thud was to point the nose down, stroke the afterburner, and outrun the puny little thing trying to get behind you.
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Post by MOW on May 3, 2004 8:57:17 GMT 9
... Of course, the primary defensive tactic in the Thud was to point the nose down, stroke the afterburner, and outrun the puny little thing trying to get behind you.  |
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Post by Jim on May 3, 2004 11:06:34 GMT 9
TEXT MASTER OF THE WEB, WHY IS LT.COL M ROSS SHULMISTER LISTED AS A GUEST, WHEN HE HAS BEEN IN THE MEMBERS LIST FOR APPROX 10 DAYS AS A NEW MEMBER........HE WILL BE NEEDING A UNIQUE AVATAR-ONE BEFITTING OF HIS CHARACTER
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Post by MOW on May 3, 2004 13:31:04 GMT 9
TEXT MASTER OF THE WEB, WHY IS LT.COL M ROSS SHULMISTER LISTED AS A GUEST, WHEN HE HAS BEEN IN THE MEMBERS LIST FOR APPROX 10 DAYS AS A NEW MEMBER........HE WILL BE NEEDING A UNIQUE AVATAR-ONE BEFITTING OF HIS CHARACTER Ummm... appears you didn't actually logon to the forum with your username Col. I see in your members account your logon is "LtCol M. Ross Shulmister", must be exact (without the " "). And you should have received a password via e-mail. If not let me know and I'll re-issue a password. There's also a checkbox on the logon screen that will allow you to stay logged in if you wish, so you don't have to type in your account info everytime. Let me know if this old crew dog can lend a hand  |
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Post by Cougar on May 3, 2004 22:13:40 GMT 9
I'm not sure if you're referring to a high speed yo-yo maneuver in the vertical or in the horizontal. Thanks Col., per your description the maneuver was evidently a horizontal Yo-Yo, although we started out at FL380. When called, the pilot rolled her on her back and went for the deck, close to 5gs on the pull out, then the roller coaster got crazy. It was one hell of a ride though.  |
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Post by delta2477a on Aug 28, 2005 11:20:47 GMT 9
Wasn't the F-105 capable of flying clean at like Mach 1.3 or something at sea-level right?
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Post by Cougar on Aug 31, 2005 17:58:57 GMT 9
Wasn't the F-105 capable of flying clean at like Mach 1.3 or something at sea-level right? Delta...according to information on Joe Baugher's web pages the "Nickel" was good for 836 mph at sea level. home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f105_5.html  |
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Post by chiefothedarts on Jan 3, 2006 4:46:19 GMT 9
I was in our local Barnes and Noble the other night and found an interesting book which had an article on the F106. The book is titled " Flying American Combat Aircraft-The Cold War." Published in 2005, the stories are about the F106 and are written by Maj. Gen. Jack Gamble and his son Capt. Patrick Gamble. It sounds like the stories were written in the sixties and seventies, so they were probably published before. They also include a few good BW pictures, which look a lot better than the bad looking model in a different section. If you get a chance, take a look at it. Maybe some one remembers the pilots being in their squadron.  Ralph |
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Post by Mark O on Jan 3, 2006 14:59:11 GMT 9
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2006 23:36:06 GMT 9
I flew with Pat Gamble while stationed at K.I. Sawyer around 1973-1977. I also flew as the back seat pilot for Gen Gamble while I was stationed at McChord around 1972-73. Pat and I went to William Tell at Tyndall in 1976, I think. He went on to become a general as well and I think retired to Alaska.
I am retired Col. Ron Dampier now living in Austin Texas and enjoying life.
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Post by Jim on Nov 18, 2006 23:50:01 GMT 9
I am retired Col. Ron Dampier now living in Austin Texas and enjoying life. ::)Welcome, Col, an a tip o me foine fatique cap and a foine cold beer in the foine green bottles Tis hopin, we be to hear some flyin tales from you, (tall or otherwise!!!!!!) in the future............. for you and for me.... The Old Sarge |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2007 13:17:27 GMT 9
Hi folks, I was stationed at K.I. from Dec '73 to Aug '78 with the 87th FIS. I was their squadron Medic. I remember Pat Gamble quite well. He was the only driver I ever saw do a knife-edge with a 106. Took him three tries. Ran in to him again some years later in Japan.
Col Dampier, remember when Maj Jack Slattery and Lt Eric Johnston dumped the B-model in Lake Michigan and Eric almost did it again less than a month later?
James G. Eatmon, MSgt, Ret.
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Post by disz on Jun 20, 2007 7:48:16 GMT 9
We talking about YoYos or dingalings?? In the true vernacular of aerial maneuvering....I'd do so much better using my hands or the blackboard!!!! But, fighter pilots are supposed to know the theory of maneuver based upon the "theory of the Egg." Assuming you apply constant Gs to an airplane horizonally turning would create a turning circle that is =X. IF you go vertically down to turn applying the same number of Gs, your circle would be greater than X, due to the unwanted pull of gravity below you, but if you use the same amount of G to go vertical, then gravity is your friend and your turn circle X is less....which means you can turn inside of him and GUN HIM TO DEATH!! The term YOYO does not refer to someone so smart, handsome and talented as Ron Dampier who was one of the finest maintenance officers I have known. YO-YO refers to the maneuver a pilot uses as he maneuvers to get on another airplanes tail when he notices he is not sequenced for the gun kill in a turning fight!....To get closer the attacking pilot kicks downside rudder to exchange altitude for airspeed, close the distance, pull up and shoot. A high YOYO occurs when the fighter has too much overtake (speed) relative the target, and kicks high rudder to exchange airspeed for altitude and gain precise separation for a gun or missile shot.
In an extreme case of overshooting speed, the pilot would pull nose up, rudder opposite the direction of the target turn and execute a rapid barrel roll to the outside of the enemy, and be in place for an improved range missile shot. Course, if you have a launch and leave missile, you wouldn't have to maneuver at all, just mount a couple of AMRAAMs on your cessna and get ready to become an ace. Whewwwwww...............zat enough fer now? DiSz
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Post by Jim on Jun 20, 2007 13:14:49 GMT 9
GUN HIM TO DEATH!! Whewwwwww...............zat enough fer now? DiSz  ::)WELCOME DICK, 'BOUT TIME WE HAD A SPEIL FROM A TEST PILOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The Old Sarge |
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Post by robync on Apr 14, 2012 8:22:45 GMT 9
LTC M. Ross Schulmister
So it's basically a fake-out turn to one direction followed by a high-g barrel roll and if necessary rinse and repeat?
Down low (especially with bombs), the Thud was the master…
R.C.
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Question for the Col. along this same line: 
. We were the target and the maneuver was called as a "High Speed Yo-Yo" if I remember correctly. Can you explain the tactical objective of the maneuver other than it being used for scaring the crap out of the crew chief, 
Ralph
