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Post by bear (Deceased) on Feb 21, 2013 11:24:06 GMT 9
After having a valve replaced in my heart a being released from the hospital, home health care found that my blood was to thin,( 5 days later) it was over a 6.3 on the INR scale ( normal 1 to 2) so they sent me to the ER. A lot of questions, they tried to put in an IV needle, back of hand, inside wrist, then at the elbow,where they hit the nerve that control most of the hand movement. I said to get someone else to do this and the next nuurse had no problem, or the lab tech. The is problem is THEY DIDN'T LOG IT IN THE RECORDS. Now Ihave a rt arm and hand the has very little use. The insurecene co turn down my claim because I waited 2 week before I seen a Doctor. After reading all the records they don't get facts right don't put in anything that would make them look bad. Have someone they put the screwups in the records!!!!! We had better on aircraft than the hosptial or Doctor office keep!!!
BEAR
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Post by pat perry on Feb 22, 2013 8:10:09 GMT 9
After having a valve replaced in my heart a being released from the hospital, home health care found that my blood was to thin,( 5 days later) it was over a 6.3 on the INR scale ( normal 1 to 2) so they sent me to the ER. A lot of questions, they tried to put in an IV needle, back of hand, inside wrist, then at the elbow,where they hit the nerve that control most of the hand movement. I said to get someone else to do this and the next nuurse had no problem, or the lab tech. The is problem is THEY DIDN'T LOG IT IN THE RECORDS. Now Ihave a rt arm and hand the has very little use. The insurecene co turn down my claim because I waited 2 week before I seen a Doctor. After reading all the records they don't get facts right don't put in anything that would make them look bad. Have someone they put the screwups in the records!!!!! We had better on aircraft than the hosptial or Doctor office keep!!! BEAR Bear, Have you seen a neurosurgeon yet (nerve doctor)? Discuss it with a attorney first but it might be good to tell that ER that you expect them to pay for a neurosurgeon consult or your attorney will file a malpractice suit against them. Pat P.
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Post by adart on Feb 22, 2013 8:11:37 GMT 9
Hoping better days ahead for you...
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Feb 22, 2013 8:32:03 GMT 9
I have been the lawyer route and the insurence co said I had no claim, with 3 vist to the nerurllogis who said it is not getting better. I guess the moral of the story if you get by the hosptial or doctor make sure they write it down. What they said in my case that I took 12 day to report to pain. They didn't anything about the thin blood which would have been my main worry. MAKE SURE THEY PUT IN THE RECORDS!!!!!
Bear
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Post by Mark O on Feb 22, 2013 8:48:03 GMT 9
Of course the insurance company is going to say you have no claim! As far as the doctor/medic/nurse/technician (whoever) not writing anything down, how can an omission like not recording something make it any less real? Oh sure, there are those that say if you don't write it down it never happened, but that's just an overused excuse for negligence in my opinion. And the 12-day delay? Why is that an issue? When I had the ulnar nerve entrapment in my left arm it hurt for two weeks before I went in to see the doc. Of course I was on leave at the time, but so what? Don't they usually ask how long one has had their symptoms when you are seen by a doctor? So they tell you you should have come in sooner. Again, so what? Tell them you are sorry, then ask them what can be done. Sounds like a snow job by the doctors, and the insurance company to me. I think the real question is can you prove that someone at the hospital hit the nerve, and that was a factor -- if not THE factor -- in what you are experiencing now. Who told you they hit a nerve? You wrote that you asked for someone else to insert the IV. We know why, but did you know at the time? Did the first person say, " ", or otherwise admit to you they made a mistake? I say an attorney is called for in this case, but more importantly you need to be treated for the nerve problem. Get well, then GET those responsible!
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Post by Bullhunter on Feb 22, 2013 10:10:31 GMT 9
We are having some issues with our doctors treating Belinda. We have gotten copies of her records and finding things not mentioned, miss-spellings, miss-information, and in one section it said she had a water accident and it should have said vehicle accident. My wife being a career Registered Nurse and a Human Resourses Director has sent the doctor corrections and updates and instructed they be put in her records and made permanent. You can have anything added to your records. Then when you get to court its in print. Make sure you have a date and time your went through the issues. Good Luck!
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Post by pat perry on Feb 22, 2013 11:11:12 GMT 9
Bear, Last Sep 2012 Signe wrote that you were still having problems with your right arm after the surgery. She said that the torniquet at the hospital was too tight and they [docs] weren't sure it would ever get back to normal.
It sure sounds like you have a trapped nerve in the elbow or maybe shoulder area. I had one of those and I think Mark Williams did too. Once they figured out mine was trapped they operated and found a ruptured tendon in my elbow joint had been pushing on the nerve causing pain and deadening in my fingers. They repaired that and it took about 9-10 months for the feeling to come back in my fingers. But the awful pain went away immediately after surgery. Doc told me that nerves heal about 1 inch per month and that made sense when it took 9-10 months to get my feeling back in the fingers.
It happened when I was doing pushups one day and I felt a snap in my right elbow. About a week later it started hurting real bad and lost feeling in my thumb, first and second fingers.
Maybe this needle stick in the emergency room wasn't the cause of the damage but rather it set you back from healing. Or maybe that nerve is still trapped somewhere between your spine and right hand?
Funny thing about nerves. They can be pinched or trapped anywhere between the spine and hand and the pain and tingling might be a foot or two from the pinch. They have tests that can find the trapped location and fix the problem in many cases.
Did you injure your shoulder or arm before you had the surgery?
Pat P.
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Feb 22, 2013 14:34:38 GMT 9
The nerve Doc said it bad right above the elbow and at the time she checked it there was also a bruise which the 2 Dr that looked at it before seen, I didn't fall or hit my elbow on anything, it come from hitting the nerve with an IV needle which is app 2" long and keep the strap tight on my arm until I told them to get someone else. Which they and were sucessful at put the IV in. Hosp pratice if come to the ER you get an IV.
Bear
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Post by Jim on Feb 23, 2013 11:57:04 GMT 9
Got ya in our prayers, Bear......... the Old Sarge and Sandy
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Feb 26, 2013 8:16:40 GMT 9
I just spend an hour talking to the insureance lady, the reason they give for turning down my claim is that I waited to long, I first complained of pain in my to doctor at 2 week and then at 3 week use the word pain. At 4 week when I seen the nerve doctor I complained of numb and tingle in the rt arm. Pain and numbs and tingle are not the same but they all hurt the same, not according to the insurence co and that the reason for refuse the claim.
When you leave the Doctor office or Hosptial make sure you get a copy of what was done and it's correct!!!!
Bear
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Post by pat perry on Feb 26, 2013 9:36:45 GMT 9
I just spend an hour talking to the insureance lady, the reason they give for turning down my claim is that I waited to long, I first complained of pain in my to doctor at 2 week and then at 3 week use the word pain. At 4 week when I seen the nerve doctor I complained of numb and tingle in the rt arm. Pain and numbs and tingle are not the same but they all hurt the same, not according to the insurence co and that the reason for refuse the claim. When you leave the Doctor office or Hosptial make sure you get a copy of what was done and it's correct!!!! Bear, Who is your insurance carrier? Pat P.
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Feb 26, 2013 13:50:22 GMT 9
I have Medicare and Tricare, they just the moneey back if I get a settlement, so they won't take it to court.
Bear
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Post by pat perry on Feb 27, 2013 1:14:06 GMT 9
I have Medicare and Tricare, they just the moneey back if I get a settlement, so they won't take it to court. Bear Bear, I'm still not understanding this. I think there is a word missing between "the" and "money". To me, it doesn't seem to matter how you got the nerve injury. It only matters that Medicare and Tricare accept that you have an injury and they should help pay for getting it properly diagnosed and treated by the appropriate medical specialist. I have heard that Tricare has the perrogative to send military patients to other cities for treatment when they have certain medical specialists located there. I could be wrong about that. I don't know whether Medicare or Tricare is your primary carrier but I think both have an appeals process. Would it be possible for you to appeal the decisions either of them has made in your case? Thanks, Pat P.
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Feb 27, 2013 11:15:49 GMT 9
Pat Tri care and Med care have taken care of the bills. the problem is that if I recievea settlement from the insurance co they want to be paid back.
Bear
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 11:26:28 GMT 9
Well, that seems fair, but only to the extent that they are paying for what they consider to be an incident which you didnt report in time.
If you have to incur medical and/or legal expenses to pursue a case against the hospital and/or person who screwed up your nerve by doing a lousy job of giving you an injection, they're not entitled to ANYTHING. If, on the other hand they purse an action against the same people, they certainly are.
I guess I've heard Judge Judy say that you are supposed to be made whole, not be enriched. Of course, if you were in the right category you could be a millionaire, alas you're not. But being given an award can also mean that you are being compensated for pain/anguish, loss of use, future medical treatment, etc. I dont believe that the insurance companies are entitled to that either, but you'd need a good lawyer to figure that out.
There might also be a problem with PROVING that the person who tried to give you the injection was incompetent or deficient and improperly trained or monitored.
I had a similar situation after my last surgery, my inquiries went almost as far as the bedpan.
I just hope you get back to normal and dont have to worry about any of this crap. It doesnt help your recovery.
Good luck, feel well, and God Speed.
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Post by MOW on Feb 27, 2013 11:32:12 GMT 9
Pat Tri care and Med care have taken care of the bills. the problem is that if I recievea settlement from the insurance co they want to be paid back.
Bear But isn't that only fair? If the bills are taken care of without any out of pocket, the insurance settlement would be extra right? Maybe I missed something in the previous posts.
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Post by Jim on Feb 27, 2013 13:25:58 GMT 9
Perhaps compensation for the loss of use should be included along with pain and frustration. Ineptitude should never be rewarded.... Jim
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Post by Bullhunter on Feb 27, 2013 13:42:28 GMT 9
Sounds like you have a good case. You should go see a lawyer.
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Post by MOW on Feb 27, 2013 14:10:34 GMT 9
I'm still confused. Are we talking about payment for medical bills or a law suit? I thought it was payment for medical bills. And your claim to the insurance co bear, was that before tricare and medicare took care of the bills?
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Post by Bullhunter on Feb 27, 2013 14:59:24 GMT 9
Mow, When I go into an ER, Hospital, clinic, or my doctors office I expect t9o be treated by someone who knows what the hell they are doing. And if not to have a trainer that knows helping them so things like this do not happen. If there is neglect involved that causes pain and suffering the person injured is do coverage along with compensation for pain and suffering. Thats how I see it.
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