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Post by MOW on Feb 18, 2013 14:11:53 GMT 9
I want to add another category, for selection if you want to use it, to our mini-profile about our AFSC or Career Field or whatever we want to call it, and it will be a selection choice not a free text field.
So, need to start a list of jobs at a semi-macro level. Here's a start (in not particular order yet), lets add to it/edit it:
Administration AGE Auto Pilot Corrosion Control Crew Chief Egress Electrician Engines Environmental Fire Control Flight Sim Hydraulic Instructor Instruments Life Support MA-1 Machinist Maint. Officer Material Control NDI Pilot Security Police Sheet Metal Weapons Fuels Plans & Scheduling
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Post by ma1marv on Feb 19, 2013 1:16:50 GMT 9
PLEASE add "INSTRUCTOR" !!!!! Might go so far as to add "MASTER INSTRUCTOR" as well!!! MArv
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Post by pat perry on Feb 19, 2013 2:43:02 GMT 9
I want to add another category, for selection if you want to use it, to our mini-profile about our AFSC or Career Field or whatever we want to call it, and it will be a selection choice not a free text field. So, need to start a list of jobs at a semi-macro level. Here's a start (in not particular order yet), lets add to it/edit it: Crew Chief MA-1 Pilot Maint Officer Sheet Metal Weapons Loader AGE Engines Fire Control Life Support Egress Hydraulic Electrician Instruments Auto Pilot Flight Sim Material Control MOW, I was in MARS 422X1 (Mechanical Accessories Repair Shop) which later changed name to Environmental Systems. This included heating/cooling, pressurization, liquid oxygen and fire extinguishing systems. This may have since been put into Life Support? Before that I was in 535X1 Corrosion Control which had been the Paint Shop which now may be Sheet Metal subcategory or function. In 65-69 USAF peaked in manpower and started to decline. I think they were into specializing career field AFSCs which were later recombined when manpower started to decline. BTW, I don't see Maintenance Control on the list. My be under Maintenance Officer subcategory? Don't know if you just want to stick with F-106 squadron related jobs or have a Other (fill in the blank) form that could include other stuff like Admin, Police, Medical, Food Services, etc.? Pat P.
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Post by MOW on Feb 19, 2013 5:27:05 GMT 9
Thanks guys, I'm adding to the list.
Keeping this geared more towards AFSC than job titles, I'm not going to list Job Control because even though we worked there we still had an AFSC, Paint Shop was part of CC and a Master Instructor was still an Instructor.
Yes, keeping this to a F-106 and F-106 direct support list. SP's is a good direct support AFSC because they were out there on our flight lines, whereas medical not so much.
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Post by Mark O on Feb 19, 2013 6:45:44 GMT 9
I can't vouch for the accuracy of this document/web page, but it sure lists more AFSCs than I've ever seen in my life. Supposed to be from the 60s/70s. www.preservingourhistory.com/afsc.htmlThere are several listings with the same "job", but different numbers, for example: Pilot. Obviously this is due to different aircraft, but I wish they broke it down. Hey, ya can't have it all! Might help figure out some of those forgotten jobs. Edit: I found this list here... genealogy.stackexchange.com/questions/1386/what-are-the-pre-1993-us-air-force-specialty-codesNotice the last comment. A fella wrote the Air Force, and the response he got. "Exceeded the Pentagon servers..."
How about spliting the documents up into smaller parts? I know, I know. Someone would have to do the work, and that costs money, and the history folks are very low on the budget priority, blah, blah, blah.
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Post by MOW on Feb 19, 2013 9:12:27 GMT 9
I can't vouch for the accuracy of this document/web page, but it sure lists more AFSCs than I've ever seen in my life. Supposed to be from the 60s/70s. www.preservingourhistory.com/afsc.htmlThere are several listings with the same "job", but different numbers, for example: Pilot. Obviously this is due to different aircraft, but I wish they broke it down. Hey, ya can't have it all! Might help figure out some of those forgotten jobs. Edit: I found this list here... genealogy.stackexchange.com/questions/1386/what-are-the-pre-1993-us-air-force-specialty-codesNotice the last comment. A fella wrote the Air Force, and the response he got. "Exceeded the Pentagon servers..."
How about spliting the documents up into smaller parts? I know, I know. Someone would have to do the work, and that costs money, and the history folks are very low on the budget priority, blah, blah, blah.Yea, I don't think I want this much breakdown on AFSC's. I'll keep it short and simple, and as I said, at a semi-macro level. A pilot is a pilot no matter what he/she is flying, a crew chief is a crew chief regardless the aircraft or shreadout or whether working job control, tire shop, phase docks, QA etc. I think we're getting close, and I still don't know if I'm going to do this here on the forum or not, but all this info is good for the prep work.
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Post by LBer1568 on Feb 19, 2013 9:39:20 GMT 9
The AFSC breakout is pretty simple. But think about all of the training material for all of the AFSC's. Avionics/Electronics was the 3xxxx AFSC. They had shredouts for Avionics then sub-devided into Defensive (Fighters) and Offensive Bombers. In some cases Alpha symbols were used to denote different specialities on same A/C. MA-1 originally was simply 322X1A. Then in mid 60's they started sub-dividing into specialities. MA-1 Flightline,Mock-up, Automatic Flight Controls,/Computer M/U, RADAR M/U, Comm, NAV, etc. Then they broke it out into skill levels for the 3/5/7 levels. A 9-level was usually like 32290 for all Fighter Avionics.
Flight Simulation was a huge field with a 3/5/7 level breakout for every Training Device/Simulator/Mission Simulation device. I had 7 active AFSC's when I transferred to WPAFB. Although I still had my Avionics AFSC and Simulator AFSC I picked up a Special Duty Identifier of 99501-Enlisted Program Manager. And within that I had a 2641 Acquisition Program Engineer shredout.
Crew Chiefs were 43xxx career field \.
Of course that was back in 1960-1980 time frame. Then they started consolidation and adding Alpha characters as part of AFSC.
And the Officer Career fields were 4 digits long and could have an ALPHA shred-out.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Feb 19, 2013 9:50:04 GMT 9
Don't forget the guys who worked Phase and Maintenance Control. Jim Too
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Post by Jim on Feb 19, 2013 10:21:08 GMT 9
it goes back before the 60s for what use to be called APG that had Alpha shredouts.. I have had 431X1 H,J,C,W and back to C again.. H, J, and C all indicated basically the same thing, jet engine fighter a/c... The W was for cargo a/c 2 engine recip aircrew status.... I also carried 53430, 53450, 53470 and 53490, known by a couple of names, airframe sheet metal and structural repair
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Post by MOW on Feb 19, 2013 17:34:06 GMT 9
Don't forget the guys who worked Phase and Maintenance Control. Jim Too Well, but that's what I'm talking about above. Phase and Maint Control (Job Control) aren't career fields... we all worked them. What do you call a crew chief who works in Phase? A Crew Chief. So I'd rather keep it at a level higher than the job title.... maybe, I don't know now. Maybe I'll just make a 'free text' field with a character limit and everyone can type in what they want... or maybe have both.
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Post by MOW on Feb 19, 2013 17:36:50 GMT 9
The AFSC breakout is pretty simple. But think about all of the training material for all of the AFSC's. Avionics/Electronics was the 3xxxx AFSC. They had shredouts for Avionics then sub-devided into Defensive (Fighters) and Offensive Bombers. In some cases Alpha symbols were used to denote different specialities on same A/C. MA-1 originally was simply 322X1A. Then in mid 60's they started sub-dividing into specialities. MA-1 Flightline,Mock-up, Automatic Flight Controls,/Computer M/U, RADAR M/U, Comm, NAV, etc. Then they broke it out into skill levels for the 3/5/7 levels. A 9-level was usually like 32290 for all Fighter Avionics. Flight Simulation was a huge field with a 3/5/7 level breakout for every Training Device/Simulator/Mission Simulation device. I had 7 active AFSC's when I transferred to WPAFB. Although I still had my Avionics AFSC and Simulator AFSC I picked up a Special Duty Identifier of 99501-Enlisted Program Manager. And within that I had a 2641 Acquisition Program Engineer shredout. Crew Chiefs were 43xxx career field \. Of course that was back in 1960-1980 time frame. Then they started consolidation and adding Alpha characters as part of AFSC. And the Officer Career fields were 4 digits long and could have an ALPHA shred-out. Exactly why I wanted to keep it at a higher level, a semi-macro level.
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Post by MOW on Feb 19, 2013 17:38:51 GMT 9
it goes back before the 60s for what use to be called APG that had Alpha shredouts.. I have had 431X1 H,J,C,W and back to C again.. H, J, and C all indicated basically the same thing, jet engine fighter a/c... The W was for cargo a/c 2 engine recip aircrew status.... I also carried 53430, 53450, 53470 and 53490, known by a couple of names, airframe sheet metal and structural repair Oh, we were APG in the 70's too. 431x1 + shredout is what made laterals so easy back then.
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Post by jimpadgett on Feb 19, 2013 21:42:41 GMT 9
Scheduler, Fuel Systems
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Post by Lee Nellist on Feb 20, 2013 1:05:11 GMT 9
How about us guys who were medically barred from the flight line? My last 7 years I spent in Plans & Scheduling. I was cross trained to 392X0 and eventually ended up at 39290.
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