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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 18, 2012 14:14:23 GMT 9
I remember those long evening and graveyard shifts where we only had two assigned mechanics to a shift and sometimes as a 7-level Technician SSgt I was the only one on grave-shift. Often be working on a jets engine somewhere, quiet hanger, windblown flightline, or out on the trimpad in the south fourty. Sometimes finding myself wishing that something would happen to bust up the bordom I felt. Then sometimes it would happen, the "Alert Klaxon" would start blasting. It was with much haste, gathering up the tools, jumping into the maintenance van, and getting to the Alert Area incase there was an engine problem, like a no start. Those were the good old days. Without the cold war and the deactivation of ADC & SAC I wonder what it is like now? Do they even have klaxon horns anymore? I'm sure well all have some tales of our shifts and alerts.
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Post by MOW on Dec 18, 2012 15:32:12 GMT 9
Nice! I was about ready to throw my feet over the side of the bed and jump into my boots fireman style like we used to at Castle.
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Post by LBer1568 on Dec 18, 2012 23:30:27 GMT 9
For a few months at 539th McGuire, I was assigned to Alert Shack for 24 on 48 off. It was great duty. But they figured MA-1 had more work to do on flightline than to waste sitting in alert shack. So I went back to the nomal shifts with weekend duties every 3-4 week. It was nice in Alert area, even had a private chef, they were actually a TSgt and 2 E-4. Made some good chow compared to mess hall.
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 19, 2012 3:03:43 GMT 9
This story is out of my book. I might have posted it before someplace, but it has to do with the alert klaxon. So it fits this thread.
Alert Red Ball Work Order
This had to be about 1975 at Griffiss AFB, NY. 416th Bomb Wing, SAC.
I was working the jet engine dispatch section, it had been a fairly quiet morning, and I’d finished removing and installing a new inlet duct on a KC-135 tanker engine. So, I was looking forward to a little break just riding around in the maintenance truck. About 10 minutes into my rest I heard the Klaxon horns sing out. We had us an EWO Alert Scramble! Was it real world or just an exercise?
We quickly positioned our truck inside the B-52 Bomber Alert Area to be close incase we were needed. Looking toward the alert force’s mole hole we could see all the crew’s and maintenance support people running and driving toward the Bombers and Tankers. It wasn’t but a minute or two and the 1st B-52 Bomber started engines with explosive cartridge starts in #4 & #6 starters, which produced lots of smoke. Within seconds the other B-52 Bombers on alert started their engines.
I thought to myself, “All is going well.” Then the radio squawked that Alert B-52 number 4 could not get #1 engine to rotate. (Engine Shop Red Ball to Number Four B-52 was the radio order over the radio!)
So, off to the Bomber we went. I bailed out with my headset and toolbox. The crew chiefs were already opening the engine cowling. I hooked into the aircraft’s intercom so I could talk with the pilot.
“Oh Crap,” I could see that the first B-52 was already starting to taxi. I didn’t have much time to get this jet engine started. I figured it was likely a loose cannon plug on the starter control valve. I cut the safety wire off the cannon plug and checked for power, and there was electrical power. I reconnected the cannon plug and told the pilot to hit the starter button again, but nothing happened. I checked a few other things and discovered that the starter control valve actuator was just not working. The starter control valve was getting electrical power but just would not open for some reason. I figured, maybe it was stuck.
At this point I could see B-52 number 3 starting to roll out of its parking place. It was time to pull a fast one. This was either nuke war, or an alert exercise. We were operating under the possibility of war so I reached into my toolbox and pulled out my ball-ping hammer and told the pilot to push and hold the starter button. I pulled back my arm and hand back with the hammer in it and the crew chiefs eyes got as big as golf balls. I swung the hammer and hit the starter control valve fairly lightly. Nothing happened!
The pilot said it was his time to taxi. I asked him to keep the starter button pushed in and I pulled my arm back and gave a good hard swing this time hitting the starter control valve again. This time we heard the whoooooooshing sound of air passing through the control vale and starter, and the #1 engine started to rotate. I ducked back out of the way and the crew chiefs started to close and secure the engine cowling. At the correct RPM the pilot advanced the throttle adding fuel and the #1 engine was now operating normal.
I quickly looked around on the ground for any items dropped or left behind that might be sucked up into the jet engine creating a hazard or an aborted mission. At the same time I told the pilot, “You’re good to go, and good luck.” He thanked me and I disconnected from the intercom.
B-52 number 4 taxied out of its EWO alert spot right on time. I got the blast of hot jet engine exhaust fumes as the bomber made its turn. The adrenalin flows and the blood pressure rises during these EWO Alerts. As the hot jet engine blast blew over and around me, a sense of accomplishment and pride filled me. My job was not over yet. I had to call maintenance control and put in a work order for a (red ball) follow-up to get that starter control valve replaced when the aircraft returned to its parking spot. Hoping all along that the alert force was going to taxi back in and not take-off.
The Bombers followed by the tankers hit the end of the runway and started their take-off rolls, but each one quickly reduced power and turned off the runway and headed back to their parking spots. It’s at that moment that everyone feels relief, blood pressures start to decrease, but your adrenalin is still with you. By the time the B-52 had gotten back to its parking spot base supply had a new starter control valve waiting.
My lunch would have to wait until I replaced that starter control valve. EWO aircraft were top priority and came before everything. After lunch I had to explain to my shop boss why I hit a nuke loaded aircraft with a big hammer. All I could say was, “It’s an old trick used as a last resort. It was my last resort to ensure that our total alert strike force would all be taxing on time.” He then said, “Nice job.”
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Post by Mark O on Dec 19, 2012 3:43:42 GMT 9
That reminds me of something that happened when I was on tankers. No hammer required! We were down in Ecuador supporting the AWACS doing counter-drug ops, and were fixing to do a launch. It was all minimum manning as we only had one tanker, so as far as crew chiefs it was just me, and a Senior Airman. The SRA was on the headset doing the engine start, and I was standing there with him when he cleared #2, and...nothing. I immediately thought of the starter control valve (simplest problem first) and tried to tell the SRA to go open the valve manually. There was a small access panel specifically there to access the valve. Well, just from the look on his face I could tell he had no clue what I was talking about, so I gave some hand signals to the pilot what I was going to do, and he understood. The SRA still seemed a bit lost, but I told him to just sit tight. I opened the panel, pulled the manual lever to open the valve, and signaled the SRA to have the pilot hit the starter. Worked like a charm, and the aircraft launched on schedule. After the launch I explained it all to the SRA, and was quite surprised he was clueless, but to be honest I think the kid was a little slow anyway. It really wasn't a common problem with the engine, but it obviously happened enough that they put the manual lever there with an access panel. (This was an R-model. On the E-models they had a lever you had to use without opening the cowl, but you needed a ladder.) I then had a conversation with the Pro-Super about what I did. He was in the truck, and saw the whole thing. He asked me why I didn't use a glove as required when I opened the valve, as I could have burned my hand. "Uh, sergeant? The engine has been sitting for several hours, and wasn't hot." "Oh. Yea, that makes sense." Maybe someday I'll tell you about me bringing that SRA to tears after I ripped him a new one for not knowing what he was doing during a refuel. He never made that mistake again. Here's a shot of our tanker, and the AWACS down there. (April, 2006) We were "training" a specialist at the time. We were getting her to hold up a panel from the electrical equipment rack to "test" the radar! That joke always worked!
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Dec 19, 2012 5:02:49 GMT 9
While I was at The SCAB, we were strictly an ADC base.
Seeing it was also Sioux City Municipal Airport, now Bud Day, we didn't have any base-wide klaxons.
I spent a lot of time working the Alert Hanger.
We were a 24/48 facility, and had cots in a sleeping room, along with a great kitchen with our own cooks.
When the hanger klaxon went off, it was a typical scramble of crew chiefs opening doors, starting the start cart, strapping in the pilot and helping him start the J-47 in the Saber Dog.
When I got to The Goose, it was a SAC base, and the 59th FIS was a tenant.
We had F-89Js when I got there and later F-102s.
I worked the Alert Hanger most of my 15 moths on station.
We were a 24/24 facility and had our cooks in the ops building. They brought the food to us, but prepared it at ops.
The base had klaxons all over the place, as The Goose was a KC-97 base and the tankers were scrambled for refuels of SAC bombers, mostly B-47s, with some B-52s.
They did the Elephant Walk at least once a month.
For the 59th, we only had klaxons in the Alert Hanger and the squadron ops building.
I'm not sure, but I don't remember a day that didn't have at least one scramble of our Scorpions or Deuces.
Most of the scrambles were for commercial airliners that were off-course over the North Atlantic of the Greenland Ice Cap.
When I got to Minot, the 5th only had klaxons at the Alert Hanger and squadron ops.
But, as a SAC base, with B-52s and KC-135s, there were klaxons all over the base, including in the commissary and the PX.
There were also rotating, red lights on poles all-over the base.
When the klaxons went off, and the red lights started rotating, you better get out of the way, as you were going to get run over by an International 4-door pickup if you didn't.
The only thing that interfered with the SAC scrambles was if there was an ADC scramble.
Then the Sixes had runway priority.
Lots of memories of my days with klaxons blasting my ears.
Jim Too
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 19, 2012 6:27:59 GMT 9
Griffiss AFB had red rotating lights under the traffic signals. The intersections without traffic signals just had the red rotating lights.
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Post by pat perry on Dec 19, 2012 8:24:14 GMT 9
Gary, I have said this before but you can tell a great story!
I remember it from the first time but it was great to read it again. Thanks, Pat P.
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Post by pat perry on Dec 19, 2012 8:34:54 GMT 9
Great story too Mark.
Now's a good time to tell that story. Sometimes the greatest way we learn is through fear.
Pat P.
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Post by pat perry on Dec 19, 2012 8:48:37 GMT 9
Great story too Pastor Jim.
I always called the Klaxons the A&E horn because when they went off all you could see was "A-holes and Elbows" going in every direction.
I don't know why but at Castle they were always loudest in the Alert Barn. Enough to almost make your ears bleed. Of course the SAC alert pad was right next door to our alert barn and theirs was loud too.
I still, after 46 years, have the ear plugs I was issued and take them to the drag races with me. Glad I did or I would be deaf as a post today.
Pat P.
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Post by MOW on Dec 19, 2012 9:05:13 GMT 9
Great story too Pastor Jim. I don't know why but at Castle they were always loudest in the Alert Barn. Enough to almost make your ears bleed. Of course the SAC alert pad was right next door to our alert barn and theirs was loud too. Ahh the alert barn at Castle! One of my best tours of Six duty was the 2 years there in the 318 Det 1 as an alert crewdog. We used bay 4 on the far end for just about everything: tool crib, chute packing, table tennis ah the memories.
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Post by Mark O on Dec 19, 2012 10:13:40 GMT 9
Great story too Mark. Now's a good time to tell that story. Sometimes the greatest way we learn is through fear. Pat P. Like I mentioned, that kid was kind of slow. I had seen him at home station (Grand Forks) before, but never really worked with the guy because we were in different flights. For the trip to Ecuador they picked us all sort of randomly. I later suspected his flight wanted to get rid of him for awhile, but that's just a theory. Once I started working with him, and discovered his "shortcomings", I tried to bring him up to speed as quickly as I could, but after a point it was like talking to a wall. There is only so many times I'll repeat myself especially when it came to stuff any 3-level gomer should know. Anyway, we were doing a refuel one night, and since the only crew chiefs were the two of us a third person would always help out. (Fire guard usually.) This night the pro super was our "third" since it was very late when the aircraft returned, and we just wanted to get a ramp load in her, and worry about the rest of the stuff in the morning. The super let the rest of the guys go back to the barracks. So, long story short, the reason I ripped him one was he left power on upstairs, and missed calling a shutoff point for one of the tanks. (Screws you up because depending on which tank it was you would have to add more fuel to balance them. We did.) I don't know how many times I had told him these things, and just went off on him. This was over the headset, so I didn't see him turn to tears. When it was all done I heard about it from the pro super who talked to him when we were buttoning up the aircraft. (It was a KC-135. You could have three or four folks working on the plane and not see any of them!) All of a sudden I look around, and the kid is gone. I asked the super about it, and that's when he told me he sent the kid to the hangar to calm down while he talked to me. I was non-apologetic with the super, and he understood. He still gave me "the talk", and I told him I would do the same thing over if it happened again. It didn't, but I was serious. When we got back to Grand Forks I never worked with the kid again, and besides I was off to Turkey for a short deployment, then off to FE school so I didn't have time anyway. (Pretty sure I lost some leave that year. Before the Ecuador deployment I was in Guam, Japan and Hawaii for over two weeks! They almost made me fly home commercial from Hawaii to make the Ecuador deployment. Another story!) Hey wait? Maybe my flight was trying to get rid of me that year. Nah!That's pretty much it. On a happier note that's us playing stickball in the hangar in Ecuador. I'm on third waiting to come home, and the pro super is pitching! The guy at bat was a specialist, and for the life of me I can't remember his name. He was a nice guy; I do remember that!
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Post by marv2 on Dec 19, 2012 11:33:36 GMT 9
It was always fun at Kingsley Field for our no notice Tue morning practice scrambles. The Det CC would keep his hours at that time. He had a rule, no one would beat him out of the chocks. There was a pilot that was almost as quick as he was, it was really funny to sit downstairs and watch him come running down the stairs trying to put on his flight jacket, which somehow a sleeve had gotten turned inside out. Slowed him up just enough. Maj Lambert won again!! :patriotic-flagwaver :patriotic-flagwaver
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Post by Don Fletcher on Dec 20, 2012 5:16:15 GMT 9
During my deployment with Project White Shoes after the Alaskan earthquake in 1964, I was sent to Eielsen AFB where we stood alert duty 48 on 24 off. During the first month the Russians would try to penetrate our ADS every night, usually about 2:00 AM. We got so used to the klaxon waking us up that we just started to get up and go down and get the birds warmed up, so all we had to do was strap the pilots in and kick them out of the barn when the horn went off. After they had chased them back to there side of the IDL we would recover the birds then hit the sack again. Things slowed down a bit after the ice broke on the Yukon river and we moved out to the Galina AFS, which put us about 400 miles from Russia and really cut down our intercept times.
Fun times :santahat
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Post by Don Fletcher on Dec 20, 2012 6:20:09 GMT 9
We also had some interesting alert scrambles when I was moved out to the King Salmon AFS. As it was now June we were still dragging our Arctic gear (with our bunny boots) around with us and it was now 85 degrees on the flight line. Also as the AF had recreational fish camp out at Naknek Lake, VIPs were always coming to go fishing, including our pilots. They would ferry out replacement planes, go fishing for a few days then rotate back to Anchorage. We would download the missiles and put what ever MA-1 boxes that need repair in the luggage rack. But if the pilots had some really nice salmon (35 to 45 lbs) that they wanted to take back with them, the mess hall would freeze them and we would safety wire them to the missile rails. They were frozen solid as iron. We advised the pilots to take it easy on the way back, but one hot dog (I won't mention any names, but his initials were J. Colpits) took off with a full load if fish and went spiraling out of sight. We all expected to hear about the plane landing with fish poking out through the missile bay doors. One other time a pair of planes being rotated back to Elmendorf, both of them with a full load of salmon. They had just taken the active runway when we got a hot scramble, so they took off to clear the runway for the five minute birds. But, the controller picked up the ferry birds and guided them in on the intercept on the Russian Bear with nothing but a load of salmon.
More fun :santahat
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 20, 2012 6:25:21 GMT 9
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Post by lindel on Dec 20, 2012 16:45:11 GMT 9
This story is out of my book. I might have posted it before someplace, but it has to do with the alert klaxon. So it fits this thread. Alert Red Ball Work Order This had to be about 1975 at Griffiss AFB, NY. 416th Bomb Wing, SAC. I was working the jet engine dispatch section, it had been a fairly quiet morning, and I’d finished removing and installing a new inlet duct on a KC-135 tanker engine. So, I was looking forward to a little break just riding around in the maintenance truck. About 10 minutes into my rest I heard the Klaxon horns sing out. We had us an EWO Alert Scramble! Was it real world or just an exercise? We quickly positioned our truck inside the B-52 Bomber Alert Area to be close incase we were needed. Looking toward the alert force’s mole hole we could see all the crew’s and maintenance support people running and driving toward the Bombers and Tankers. It wasn’t but a minute or two and the 1st B-52 Bomber started engines with explosive cartridge starts in #4 & #6 starters, which produced lots of smoke. Within seconds the other B-52 Bombers on alert started their engines. I thought to myself, “All is going well.” Then the radio squawked that Alert B-52 number 4 could not get #1 engine to rotate. (Engine Shop Red Ball to Number Four B-52 was the radio order over the radio!) So, off to the Bomber we went. I bailed out with my headset and toolbox. The crew chiefs were already opening the engine cowling. I hooked into the aircraft’s intercom so I could talk with the pilot. “Oh Crap,” I could see that the first B-52 was already starting to taxi. I didn’t have much time to get this jet engine started. I figured it was likely a loose cannon plug on the starter control valve. I cut the safety wire off the cannon plug and checked for power, and there was electrical power. I reconnected the cannon plug and told the pilot to hit the starter button again, but nothing happened. I checked a few other things and discovered that the starter control valve actuator was just not working. The starter control valve was getting electrical power but just would not open for some reason. I figured, maybe it was stuck. At this point I could see B-52 number 3 starting to roll out of its parking place. It was time to pull a fast one. This was either nuke war, or an alert exercise. We were operating under the possibility of war so I reached into my toolbox and pulled out my ball-ping hammer and told the pilot to push and hold the starter button. I pulled back my arm and hand back with the hammer in it and the crew chiefs eyes got as big as golf balls. I swung the hammer and hit the starter control valve fairly lightly. Nothing happened! The pilot said it was his time to taxi. I asked him to keep the starter button pushed in and I pulled my arm back and gave a good hard swing this time hitting the starter control valve again. This time we heard the whoooooooshing sound of air passing through the control vale and starter, and the #1 engine started to rotate. I ducked back out of the way and the crew chiefs started to close and secure the engine cowling. At the correct RPM the pilot advanced the throttle adding fuel and the #1 engine was now operating normal. I quickly looked around on the ground for any items dropped or left behind that might be sucked up into the jet engine creating a hazard or an aborted mission. At the same time I told the pilot, “You’re good to go, and good luck.” He thanked me and I disconnected from the intercom. B-52 number 4 taxied out of its EWO alert spot right on time. I got the blast of hot jet engine exhaust fumes as the bomber made its turn. The adrenalin flows and the blood pressure rises during these EWO Alerts. As the hot jet engine blast blew over and around me, a sense of accomplishment and pride filled me. My job was not over yet. I had to call maintenance control and put in a work order for a (red ball) follow-up to get that starter control valve replaced when the aircraft returned to its parking spot. Hoping all along that the alert force was going to taxi back in and not take-off. The Bombers followed by the tankers hit the end of the runway and started their take-off rolls, but each one quickly reduced power and turned off the runway and headed back to their parking spots. It’s at that moment that everyone feels relief, blood pressures start to decrease, but your adrenalin is still with you. By the time the B-52 had gotten back to its parking spot base supply had a new starter control valve waiting. My lunch would have to wait until I replaced that starter control valve. EWO aircraft were top priority and came before everything. After lunch I had to explain to my shop boss why I hit a nuke loaded aircraft with a big hammer. All I could say was, “It’s an old trick used as a last resort. It was my last resort to ensure that our total alert strike force would all be taxing on time.” He then said, “Nice job.” Gary, were you at Griffiss when the "Plowshare 7" incident happened? Your story reminded me of it. Basically, a group known as the plowshare 7 came on base during an open house, and started hitting the engine nacelles of one of the B-52s there on base, thinking they were cruise missiles. Here's a link to about the only thing I could find about it. Seems most of the articles have disappeared... books.google.com/books?id=3rjeTXBf2tcC&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=Plowshare+7+1983+Griffiss+AFB&source=bl&ots=K2h939S_nJ&sig=G3RQLYerEWWPwLdUpdtg_8P_gXM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=28DSUNnhBYjXrAHO64H4DQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Plowshare%207%201983%20Griffiss%20AFB&f=falseI got to go the SPs debrief (not sure why, but I did) and none of the articles I found tell it the way I remember it. For one, it happened during an open house, and open houses didn't happen in November. Take what you read with a grain of salt...
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 20, 2012 17:07:12 GMT 9
lindel,,,,I was not at Griffiss when that plowshare-7 incident happened. I've never heard anything about it till now. Must have been something the USAF wanted to keep quiet.
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Post by Jim on Dec 21, 2012 2:42:14 GMT 9
While at Griffiss Jun '56 thru Oct '59, our scrambles ( F-94Cs or F-102s) were pretty much routine and mostly lost a/c coming in from Canada over Lake Ontario. But a Scramble to see ( I saw several) was when the Rep of Korea AF 10th Ftr Wing at Suwon would scramble on a "Skunk Boat"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First off would be USAF F-102s (2) (TDY from Okinawa) then 4 F-5s, 4 AT-33s, which were armed with 2 nose .30 cal and 2 250# bombs on pylon stations, 2 RF-86s (converted from USAFE F models), a C-47 Gunship, another C-47 with the big search light on the bottom... Last off would be a H-43 Huskie Helicpoter an 2 Hueys..... 15 birds off in less than 10 minutes :guns Before the first F-5s started their takeoff roll, there were 4 fresh F-5s being pulled into the concrete arch type alert hangars.. Twice while stationed at Suwon as an advisor, the Klaxon went off before they got the tugs unhooked. The pilots were already in the cockpit (brake rider), so they got the engines started before they got unhooked and were chasing the tug and towbars as they rolled out of the hangar........ At the same time 2 F-5s were taxiing out of hardened revetments on the North- South Expressway and taking off to fly cover for the operation... During the 13 months I was there, there was no such thing as a "Practice no notice", they were all "no notice" and rare that any came back with external stores.... Anything that could do a Victory Roll, did so as they returned to base...... Invariably it as a North Korean Skunk boat that made the mistake of being discovered.... 3 mile or 12 mile limits meant nothing to ROKAF. On one of the ocassions, the deuces escorted some old MIGs away from the fracus. The pilots were a bit pissed- they wanted to see what launching those Mickey Mouse rockets felt like
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Post by Mark O on Dec 21, 2012 3:24:30 GMT 9
I started thinking about it, and other than 2-4 hour alerts when I was on C-130s the only "real" alert I ever pulled was over at Incirlik AB, Turkey during Operation Northern Watch when I was a KC-135 crew chief. We were the tanker task force, and on occasion -- certainly not every day, much less 24 hours a day -- we would have a fully loaded tanker with the crew on board ready to launch if the fighters needed it. We never had to launch one. The thing that drove the crews crazy was they had to physically be inside the aircraft during the alert. This was foreign to these crews who had no concept of SAC, much less the Cold War. (I, like many of the older Guard crew chiefs, had hand receipts older than most of the crews, and I was one of the younger ones!) The thing that drove the crew chiefs crazy was we had to keep the electrical systems cool in the aircraft in spite of the crew. It gets HOT in Turkey in the middle of the summer! We would pull the panels off the electrical equipment rack behind the navigator station, and put an air conditioner hose in there. The pilots would grab the hose, and pull it into the cockpit. Circuit breakers would start popping, and the inevitable bitching from the crew who thought that the air conditioning was for them, not the aircraft. Another hard concept for them to wrap their heads around. : Another interesting thing was how much fuel the crews dumped in the Mediterranean during those days. The AWACS would launch first, then the EA-6Bs, then the fighters, and the tankers would always leave last. (If you were on swings you knew you had the day off if the EA-6Bs/fighters taking off didn't wake you up in the morning!) Anyway, sometimes they would scrub the missions after the aircraft had taken off, and since we launched the tankers full of gas, they would have to dump to get down to weight to land if that happened. One boom operator told me he dumped over one million pounds during his 75 day tour over there. Amazing.
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