56-0467 markings? (Read 1,261 times)

:welcome biersquirrel

Hey, don't put [ ] around the url's and they will show up as links... or add a space between the [ ] so the link shows up.

Can't help you with the color question, but standby I'm sure you'll get some help here.

Hi Andy!

As a modeler myself I have to tell you that question is one of the big ol' ongoing debates of all time, but it shouldn't be. "What color red was...?" can mean different things to different people. Ya see, most of those old color photos were slide transparencies. By the time they got printed in contemporary publications who knows how much fading, and editing was done to them. Over the years -- unfortunately -- many "experts" have claimed that the red was florescent red-orange (with a tint of yellow because we had some left over), or some other fantasy.

Quite simply the problem comes from the fact that these folks may be good painters, but they are terrible researchers. T.O. 1-1-4 it called for FS12197 (International Orange) "Arctic" markings, and folks confused that with "Conspicuity" markings which is FS11136 (Insignia Red.) It's quite a difference, but spelled out right there in the T.O. for everyone to read.

In fact, it's not just modelers that make this mistake. Just a few years ago some volunteer USAF folks looking for a great EPR bullet fell for the old "florescent orange", and painted a few of the aircraft on display at Dyess with that paint. See the F-89 photo I took below, and compare it to the F-86 correctly painted by another crew at the same time. I blame the museum administrator. He should have known better.

EDIT: I decided to add these links of the FS colors with the understanding that your monitor may be different than mine, and different than the guy who made these web sites, and blah, blah, blah. You get the idea, but here they are anyway. I will guarantee that the first link (12197) will NOT match the orange on the F-89 below!

www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=12197

www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=11136

So, please use "Insignia Red." The link with the model is pretty good, and even a great example of the problems printing a photo! If you want to cut it just a bit with some white for a scale effect, that would probably be the extent of any change I would do.

(Oh yes, you have to send a photo of the finished work if in fact you a building one! Forum rule!)

Hope this helps!

Mark

(By the way, you can see even FS12197, "International Orange" isn't near as orange as some folks think it is. Not even close to the orange they painted on that F-89.)

I have to add some more photos. Here is 56-0462, and probably the most well known color photo (at least to me) of 56-0467.

Compare the shades of the paint in both shots. Pay particular attention to the shade of the red stripe in the national marking as well. (The "star-and-bar.")





The more I look at these, the more I think about that star-and-bar red stripe compared to the conspicuity paint.

Yep...