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Post by MOW on Dec 15, 2012 15:13:10 GMT 9
Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find which AD the 11th belonged to. Any help?
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Post by shadowgunner on Dec 15, 2012 16:37:20 GMT 9
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Post by MOW on Dec 15, 2012 18:39:36 GMT 9
Yes, that's what I found also and it surprised me that I'm missing it in the AD section. I wonder how many others I'm missing.
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Post by ma1marv on Dec 15, 2012 23:24:37 GMT 9
The 11th FIS and later the 87th FIS were both at Duluth, home to the 23rd Air Division!
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Post by MOW on Dec 16, 2012 8:06:07 GMT 9
The 11th FIS and later the 87th FIS were both at Duluth, home to the 23rd Air Division! MArv And that's what I had always thought, but I don't see where it actually lists the 11 FIS. The 23 AD shows the 343 Fighter Group, which included the 11th so I guess that covers all units under the 343rd.
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Post by f89j1905 on Dec 16, 2012 10:20:05 GMT 9
The 343rd was also under the 29th AD at Duluth & 30th AD at Truax Field in Madison WI
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Post by MOW on Dec 16, 2012 10:39:05 GMT 9
The 343rd was also under the 29th AD at Duluth & 30th AD at Truax Field in Madison WI Yes, looks like 29th Air Division, 1 April 1966 – 15 September 1969 and then again 14–19 November 1969. 30th Air Division, 1 April 1959 - 15 November 1959
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Post by f89j1905 on Dec 16, 2012 10:50:30 GMT 9
Looked like the AF was having a hard time figuring out who was going to do what and where they were going to do it :scratch_head
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Post by Mark O on Dec 18, 2012 1:51:38 GMT 9
Geez, there were a bunch of layers of command back then!
Okay, how did the Air Defense Sectors fit into the layers? I've read that at some points an FIS may be part of an Air Division, or an Air Defense Sector. (Duluth ADS in the case of the 11th FIS.) Then I read that and ADS fell under an AD. Or not? Then in the case of several FISs they also fell under a Fighter Group.
Very confusing.
Near as I can figure out coming in late on this one is during the time the 11th FIS flew F-106s they were assigned to the 343rd Fighter Group (Air Defense), which was assigned to the Duluth ADS which I believe fell under the 30th Air Division until 1 April 1966. At that point the ADS was deactivated, and the 11th FIS fell under the 29th Air Division until somewhere between 30 June 1968 and ~ September 1968 when it was deactivated/re-designated the 87th FIS.
I think. :scratch_head
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Post by pat perry on Dec 18, 2012 8:36:04 GMT 9
Geez, there were a bunch of layers of command back then! Okay, how did the Air Defense Sectors fit into the layers? I've read that at some points an FIS may be part of an Air Division, or an Air Defense Sector. (Duluth ADS in the case of the 11th FIS.) Then I read that and ADS fell under an AD. Or not? Then in the case of several FISs they also fell under a Fighter Group. Very confusing. Near as I can figure out coming in late on this one is during the time the 11th FIS flew F-106s they were assigned to the 343rd Fighter Group (Air Defense), which was assigned to the Duluth ADS which I believe fell under the 30th Air Division until 1 April 1966. At that point the ADS was deactivated, and the 11th FIS fell under the 29th Air Division until somewhere between 30 June 1968 and ~ September 1968 when it was deactivated/re-designated the 87th FIS. I think. Mark, have you seen this page? www.radomes.org/museum/airdivs.html
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Post by MOW on Dec 18, 2012 8:57:03 GMT 9
Geez, there were a bunch of layers of command back then! Okay, how did the Air Defense Sectors fit into the layers? I've read that at some points an FIS may be part of an Air Division, or an Air Defense Sector. (Duluth ADS in the case of the 11th FIS.) Then I read that and ADS fell under an AD. Or not? Then in the case of several FISs they also fell under a Fighter Group. Very confusing. Near as I can figure out coming in late on this one is during the time the 11th FIS flew F-106s they were assigned to the 343rd Fighter Group (Air Defense), which was assigned to the Duluth ADS which I believe fell under the 30th Air Division until 1 April 1966. At that point the ADS was deactivated, and the 11th FIS fell under the 29th Air Division until somewhere between 30 June 1968 and ~ September 1968 when it was deactivated/re-designated the 87th FIS. I think. Mark, have you seen this page? www.radomes.org/museum/airdivs.htmlI have this site Linked, but I think what I would like to do is have a list a little different where I can list the FIS units with all the AD's it had as an F-106 flying unit. Some FIS's were under the same AD the entire life span as an F-106 unit, others have a lot of gray areas. If you look at the updated 11th page www.f-106deltadart.com/11fis.htm you'll see some changes to include: - adding Erv's aircraft assignments to the page - The Fighter Group it belonged to - The AD it belonged to While this 11th page may not yet be accurate with the AD info, I would like to do this for each page. The ANG base pages like the 119th www.f-106deltadart.com/119fis.htm also have the FIG it was assigned. If anyone happens to do any research on any of this please send it my way.
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Post by Mark O on Dec 18, 2012 12:05:13 GMT 9
Yes, as a matter of fact I have that in my favorites file. (I've spent quite a lot of time there!) It too can be a bit confusing, but with study, and limited research I have been able to figure most of it out. This whole topic reminds me of an article I read last night about General (President) Eisenhower. I especially like his comments on the Air Force, and the part about offering stars to folks that cut their budgets! (Cutting budgets, and levels of command had a lot to do with getting rid of Air Divisions, Air Defense Sectors, etc.) Worth a read on his thought processes. www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/16/ike-and-generals-how-eisenhower-stood-up-to-his-own-military/(MOW, I have a few ideas on re-writing some of the squadron info for each respective page with the info you mentioned, and will get with you later on that.) Thanks guys!
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Post by Mark O on Dec 18, 2012 12:23:52 GMT 9
While this 11th page may not yet be accurate with the AD info, I would like to do this for each page. The ANG base pages like the 119th www.f-106deltadart.com/119fis.htm also have the FIG it was assigned. If anyone happens to do any research on any of this please send it my way. Speaking of the 119th, I noticed the patch changed awhile back from the one that just said "Fighter Squadron." When exactly did the 119th use the one with the FIS spelled out, and the "119th" up top center? When I was in high school (~1980) I wrote the 119th a letter asking for a patch, and they sent me the one with "119th Fighter Squadron" in black stitching on the bottom center. Yes, they were flying the Six at the time. (I'll get a clean scan, and post it later.) Just curious. BTW, that was the first patch I ever got in my F-106 collection, and I even still have the printed info sheets they included! (Oh, and MOW? I'm working on the research for you!)
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