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Post by f89j1905 on Dec 7, 2012 13:07:00 GMT 9
What is the Missile picture on the left? I know it's not an AIM-4D and the wings are not correct for a -4F or -4G
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Post by Mark O on Dec 8, 2012 0:42:40 GMT 9
Gonna guess that is a GAR-1A. Scroll down to Chapter 5, then "Super Falcon Genesis." Looks like the 1954 version. www.ausairpower.net/Falcon-Evolution.htmlSean O'Connor (username "soc") is the resident historian on those. You might want to send him an e-mail. By the way, where is this display at?
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Post by f89j1905 on Dec 8, 2012 12:48:11 GMT 9
Thanks for the site. After reading down the list I believe it's a GAR -3 since it came from an F-106 unit. The display is at the Bong Heritage Center in Superior WI as part of their Cold War exhibit which also has some pictures of the early days of the Duluth AFB. Centerpiece of the Center is a beautifully restored P-38 painted as Bong's P-38 "MARGE".
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Post by Mark O on Dec 9, 2012 1:40:09 GMT 9
Thanks for the site. After reading down the list I believe it's a GAR -3 since it came from an F-106 unit. The display is at the Bong Heritage Center in Superior WI as part of their Cold War exhibit which also has some pictures of the early days of the Duluth AFB. Centerpiece of the Center is a beautifully restored P-38 painted as Bong's P-38 "MARGE". Yea, GAR-1A, GAR-3 = same thing. I just used the original designation. Thanks for the info on the museum. I've read some stuff on the proposed, almost built Bong AFB that I always thought was interesting. Three days from pouring the concrete for the runway, and they said, "Nah." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.I._Bong_Air_Force_Base
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Post by MOW on Dec 9, 2012 9:52:51 GMT 9
Interesting reading of that proposed and started base.
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Post by Mark O on Dec 10, 2012 1:43:02 GMT 9
Interesting reading of that proposed and started base. Yea, darn the luck for Major Bong. Almost had what became Fairchild AFB named after him, and then when they did find a place, and named it after him -- they never finished the base! More info here... www.airfields-freeman.com/WI/Airfields_WI_SE.htm#bong
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Post by adart on Dec 10, 2012 8:23:21 GMT 9
Is that the same Major Bong that had a bridge named after him in Duluth,Mn. Bong Bridge
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Post by Mark O on Dec 10, 2012 8:36:14 GMT 9
Is that the same Major Bong that had a bridge named after him in Duluth,Mn. Bong Bridge Yes sir. Richard I. Bong, Major, USAAF en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_BongAmerica's Ace of Aces. I have a little diecast model of his P-38 that comes on a stand with a larger replica of the nose art "Marge" as part of the display. Pretty cool! (Edit: I just remembered. I crossed that bridge -- twice -- both times in the middle of the night!)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_I._Bong_Memorial_Bridge
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Post by adart on Dec 12, 2012 8:10:08 GMT 9
Cross that bridge many times when we go back to visit old friends in Duluth... :us_flag
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Post by adcfan on Dec 13, 2012 4:03:01 GMT 9
The GAR-3 became the AIM-4E, then upgraded to AIM-4F. Was only in service a couple years at that. There is one on display outside at a Legion Hall in Mt Clemens MI, not far from Selfridge.
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Post by Mark O on Mar 27, 2013 2:30:40 GMT 9
Thought I'd get the AIM-4 talk off of the reunion thread and over to a more appropriate one!
Question - Was there ever a circumstance where one had to jettison the missiles from the bay without firing them? Was it even possible? I don't know why one would, since it was an internal bay, but the question just crossed my mind.
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Post by LBer1568 on Mar 27, 2013 4:29:31 GMT 9
Mark, I don't know if it was ever used, but the six had a Salvo position on Armament Control Panel. That was supposed to launch missile, but not arm it.
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Post by Mark O on Mar 27, 2013 4:59:45 GMT 9
Okay. I looked at the panel after I wrote that, and noticed that option. So, would the "ALL" position arm, and launch all four, and the "SALVO" just launch them? What about the guarded "ARM" switch, or was that for the AIR-2A?
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Post by ma1marv on Mar 27, 2013 6:46:31 GMT 9
OK Mark - here goes! The ALL selection enabled the fire signal to go to all four missles. The IR would fire first - then the RADAR would fire. All controlled by a little miracle box - hidden in the bowels of the armament bay - called the ACRB (Armament Control Relay Box)!!! Now this only allowed the one time shot for the pilot. The Special Weapon had to be selected individually, then before it could be fired the pilot had to select ARM and as well the UNLOCK switch had to be unlocked. The unlock caused a motor to retrieve a pin in the MB-1 Rack and would then allow the pressurized gas to shove the locking lugs that held the AIR-2A in place and release it. Then the main drive piston in the rack would push the AIR-2A out of the bay into the airstream below the aircraft. There were two pistons to do that job! Then the lanyard that was attached to the rocket -actually two of them - would allow the internal battery to fire the rocket moter and it was then a very large bottle rocket. It went in the direction it was pointed - NO guidance to manuver. OK so far?? The salvo position would send a fire signal to the missle motors and ignite them causing all four to leave the rail. This was also accomplished with opening the bay doors and extending the rails in sequence - FIRST!. While the doors were open, the rocket was salvoed as well with NO motor fire. It just fell! Or rather was ejected the same as in a live fire but no motor start or arming was processed. Are ya with me so far? Now if the pilot so deemed, he could select just IR and the system would fire only the IR missles - no matter if they were loaded on front or back. BUT missles were ALWAYS loaded in pairs! The same would happen if the pilot selected RADAR - only the RADAR missles would fire. But the ALL position took all four everytime! Lastly - the DOORS button. That was used when ever a hangfire might occur. It would complete the door cycle no matter where the selections might be. It also was one of the things we MA-1 guys used on ground testing. The problem with the "DOORS" button was that the pilot would not have any idea if the missle had left the rail, or was hanging up. Consequently the "GUTS" button as it was more commonly called would be a choice the pilot had to make. He could fly with the doors open and whatever was there would be in the airstream or he could "GUTS" the doors closed and hope they closed and that the missle was actually gone. IF the missle was somehow hanging from the rail and had not fired properly - the possibility of having a live missle in the bay was all too clear to the pilot. One more thing - yes there was a possibility of actually loading only one missle but when that was to happen, we had a special plug that we attached to the off rail to let the fire signal go through. Without the plug this would cause a "Hang Fire" and would cause the rail to stay in the airstream and the doors would not close. OK - its about enough for now. If you would like to know more - I'm sipping a Guinness! See me later! MArv
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Post by Mark O on Mar 27, 2013 6:51:00 GMT 9
Now THAT was an answer!! plus a Karma!!! And you too Lorin!
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Post by Diamondback on Mar 27, 2013 9:15:03 GMT 9
Ditto what Mark said, and another +Karma!
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