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F-106X
Oct 23, 2012 2:38:46 GMT 9
Post by johnrcarroll on Oct 23, 2012 2:38:46 GMT 9
Just drug this out of storage in an effort to reclaim some space. It's the original F-106X wind tunnel test model that Convair built. This particular project was comissioned to test a forward canard and elongated nose. The nose would have housed a radar dome. It's in pretty good shape and I'm wondering if I ought to fill the pits in the alumonum and paint/restore it or leave it as is. Any ideas or suggestions? John Attachments:
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F-106X
Oct 23, 2012 3:24:49 GMT 9
Post by pat perry on Oct 23, 2012 3:24:49 GMT 9
Just drug this out of storage in an effort to reclaim some space. It's the original F-106X wind tunnel test model that Convair built. This particular project was comissioned to test a forward canard and elongated nose. The nose would have housed a radar dome. It's in pretty good shape and I'm wondering if I ought to fill the pits in the alumonum and paint/restore it or leave it as is. Any ideas or suggestions? John John, Welcome to the hangar! You just started what could be a long number of posts. Please tell us how you came to have this museum piece. Also tell us about yourself and your association with the F-106. Personally I'd recommend you leave that test model just like it is, but that's my two cents. Thanks for posting - can't wait to hear the rest of the story. We have limited F-106X info on our main website www.456fis.org/THE_SUPER_F-106.htmand are missing a few pictures we still have to find since the website was moved from another location recently. Thanks, Pat Perry |
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Oct 23, 2012 4:26:28 GMT 9
Post by johnrcarroll on Oct 23, 2012 4:26:28 GMT 9
It's an interesting story, Pat.
And it contains it's share of fond memories of a son for his father as well as the tribulations that test us all.
I'll post it here in its entirety at some point.
The short version is that this came out of the Convair salvage yard next to Lindberg Field some time around 1963.
The yard was open to Convair employees once a month for four hours.
James Duanne Anderson worked as an Aero Engineer for Convair.
Jim had two sons and was always building go carts and mini bikes for them. Convair salvage was a great source for the parts he needed.
On one of his parts runs to the yard for nuts/bolts and go cart hardware he picked up this model as well as one of the F-111 specimens. One for each son.
I can tell you that the fondest memories these two boys had of their father included their trips to the yard.
The F-111 model is long gone.
After refusing it many times, I accepted the F-106X model.
It was either that or this would have gone into a dumpster.
Otherwise, I wouldn't have.
I'd already been providing financial support for some time and in no small measure - at least to me - without any expectation beyond buying space for this fellow to get off the floor.
I have a rather touching note from the son, Doug, that I will always treasure.
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F-106X
Oct 23, 2012 5:18:54 GMT 9
Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Oct 23, 2012 5:18:54 GMT 9
John, I agree with Pat; leave that treasure alone.
IMHO, it would take away from the integrity of the test model if you did anything to it.
Very interested in "The Rest of the Story" about the Six X model, and seeing more pictures.
Thanks for joinig us at our Flightline and Hanger.
Hope you enjoy your tour of duty with us.
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F-106X
Oct 23, 2012 6:26:22 GMT 9
Post by pat perry on Oct 23, 2012 6:26:22 GMT 9
It's an interesting story, Pat. And it contains it's share of fond memories of a son for his father as well as the tribulations that test us all. I'll post it here in its entirety at some point. The short version is that this came out of the Convair salvage yard next to Lindberg Field some time around 1963. The yard was open to Convair employees once a month for four hours. James Duanne Anderson worked as an Aero Engineer for Convair. Jim had two sons and was always building go carts and mini bikes for them. Convair salvage was a great source for the parts he needed. On one of his parts runs to the yard for nuts/bolts and go cart hardware he picked up this model as well as one of the F-111 specimens. One for each son. I can tell you that the fondest memories these two boys had of their father included their trips to the yard. The F-111 model is long gone. After refusing it many times, I accepted the F-106X model. It was either that or this would have gone into a dumpster. Otherwise, I wouldn't have. I'd already been providing financial support for some time and in no small measure - at least to me - without any expectation beyond buying space for this fellow to get off the floor. I have a rather touching note from the son, Doug, that I will always treasure. John, I can only imagine being turned loose in a Convair salvage yard for 4 hours. Pretty soon, my back yard would qualify as a Convair salvage yard. :rofl Most of us here spent years working on Convair/General Dynamics aircraft and we especially fancy the F-106 as the most beautiful fighter ever built. We have helped save a bunch of them from the chopper at the AMARC boneyard and get them into museums. There are probably a few museums that would really appreciate a donation of artifacts like yours to their collection. So keep that in mind if you ever decide to part with it. Were you in the USAF? Or any service? If so, tell us about that. You've peaked my interest in the rest of that story. Pat P. |
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F-106X
Oct 23, 2012 10:41:31 GMT 9
Post by Mark O on Oct 23, 2012 10:41:31 GMT 9
What an incredible artifact! DON'T DO ANYTHING TO IT other than baby it, and take good care that it is saved. (I like the museum idea if it ever comes to that.)
I too would love to see more photos when you get the opportunity.
I'd have loved to poke around that salvage yard as well!
:welcome to the forums, and please do not be a stranger!
Mark O.
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F-106X
Oct 23, 2012 10:51:07 GMT 9
Post by Mark O on Oct 23, 2012 10:51:07 GMT 9
I had to dig out my old references. The big difference I see is how the model/drawing moved the intakes forward. They remind me of F-15 intakes. Very, very cool piece of history!   |
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Oct 24, 2012 3:36:30 GMT 9
Post by johnrcarroll on Oct 24, 2012 3:36:30 GMT 9
Well guys, First - I'm glad I landed here. Partly because of the resource you have built and partly because it looks like a great group of people. I've decided to leave this thing as is at least for the time being. And for exactly the reason stated. Might not be as beautiful as it could be but it's the real deal. Pat - at one point I had a cruise missile. Pedestal mounted the thing as a gag.  Had to remove it when the local police decided to cite me for impeding the flow of traffic on the street in front of my business. I've still got a Rockeye tail asm. on my desk that has been modded to be a retractable pen and pencil set though. LOL My research indicates that the X program was working on a mach 5 interceptor and the model reflects a lot of that. Especially the canard which would have done a lot to improve high speed/high altitude manuevering capability. It also appears to be the case that the F-106 was the fastest single engine fighter ever put into production by any Air Force - anywhere -and it still is. That is truly remarkable given that the design was done in the early and mid 1950's. In the end it was a beautiful specimen but without a mission. At least that is what things look like today from here. Unfortunately, the original design team hasn't just retired. They are all dead as far as I can tell. I'd like to be able to keep this but that isn't going to be possible. Unlike our current crop of politicians in Washington, I can do the math. I'm making inquiries at Bonhams and Butterfields to see if they can appraise it for me. While I'd prefer to arrange a private sale within the community that is closely associated with this aircraft and at a reasonable price - it's got to go. Any advice on that front form the membership here would be appreciated. I've attached another photo that shows the intake and canard configurations. It's significantly different that the artist conception. Attachments:
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F-106X
Oct 24, 2012 4:21:34 GMT 9
Post by Mark O on Oct 24, 2012 4:21:34 GMT 9
Thanks for the info John. Maybe it's just me, but I am confused as to the financial issues you mention regarding the F-106X model you possess. What exactly are you paying for?  Edit: I agree with Jim Too, and Pat P. It belongs in a museum, not taking up space in someone's garage, or man cave. (Wives have a way of getting rid of stuff in those places.) There are plenty that would love to have it. |
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F-106X
Oct 24, 2012 4:28:22 GMT 9
Post by pat perry on Oct 24, 2012 4:28:22 GMT 9
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Oct 24, 2012 4:59:07 GMT 9
Post by Mark O on Oct 24, 2012 4:59:07 GMT 9
I've attached another photo that shows the intake and canard configurations. It's significantly different that the artist conception. Ya suppose that difference has anything to do with the wind tunnel testing, or could these be two similar, but different designs? |
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Oct 24, 2012 5:01:49 GMT 9
Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Oct 24, 2012 5:01:49 GMT 9
John, that is a very special piece of history.
It has resided for too long, IMHO, in private hands, hidden from those who would like to see it.
My thinking is that it belongs on display in an air museum.
One dedicated to military aircraft would be my choice.
The San Diego museum would be a good choice, but, then, so would the Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson.
I would just not like to see it hid away in some collectors warehouse, rather than on public display.
It was made to try to develop another generation of "Cold War" interceptors, to keep up with the developments in the uSSR.
That alone makes it a valuable museum piece.
That's my thoughts.
Thank you for wanting to do something meaningful with your piece of airplane art.
Jim Too
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Oct 24, 2012 6:53:41 GMT 9
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 6:53:41 GMT 9
seems like he means to SELL IT, OR AUCTION IT OFF.
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Oct 24, 2012 7:35:43 GMT 9
Post by johnrcarroll on Oct 24, 2012 7:35:43 GMT 9
I have sent an E-mail to the museum in San Diego. They are in the neighborhood. As for what I'm "paying for". Sorry if that was too much information Mark.  John Yeah. That was way to much information. |
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Oct 24, 2012 8:03:21 GMT 9
Post by Mark O on Oct 24, 2012 8:03:21 GMT 9
Nah, that's fine John. I was just thinking there were some specific costs related to keeping that wind tunnel model. I completely misunderstood.
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Oct 24, 2012 9:24:49 GMT 9
Post by johnrcarroll on Oct 24, 2012 9:24:49 GMT 9
"I was just thinking there were some specific costs related to keeping that wind tunnel model."
I was thinking I'd put it on display for a while at the Legion Post I frequent.
One of the new members was a Six crew chief and a very good friend worked on Voodoo's based out of Kincheloe.
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F-106X
Oct 24, 2012 9:33:45 GMT 9
Post by Mark O on Oct 24, 2012 9:33:45 GMT 9
"I was just thinking there were some specific costs related to keeping that wind tunnel model." I was thinking I'd put it on display for a while at the Legion Post I frequent. One of the new members was a Six crew chief and a very good friend worked on Voodoo's based out of Kincheloe. EXCELLENT idea!! :2thumbsup Get that crew chief buddy of yours to join the forums as well! We've got plenty of "Red Bulls" that hang out here. I'll bet he'd be interested in the Six at KI Sawyer a bunch of the guys here "saved" a few years back. (Geez! That was just over SIX years ago that I went to the dedication. Wow!) www.f-106deltadart.com/display_kisawyer.htmDon't forget that our MOW has a Voodoo web site too! www.f-101voodoo.com/ |
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Oct 24, 2012 9:43:04 GMT 9
Post by johnrcarroll on Oct 24, 2012 9:43:04 GMT 9
Post 170 is on my list the next time I'm in LA.
Haven't met the chief yet but he was based in Germany as a Master Seargent.
Says I've GOT to bring the model by for him to survey.
There is quite a crew at this post and I miss the guys.
It will be interesting to see if the SD museum responds.
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Oct 24, 2012 19:05:21 GMT 9
Post by MOW on Oct 24, 2012 19:05:21 GMT 9
john :welcome to our hanger! Wow, what a find! I now have to add a new page/section to my www.f-106deltadart.com site for the F-106X! :2thumbsup and I will need your help with more photo's of your wonderful treasure there. |
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Oct 25, 2012 2:04:20 GMT 9
Post by johnrcarroll on Oct 25, 2012 2:04:20 GMT 9
Roger that, MOW.
I'm going to make a complete set and then remove the blue baint and pin striping tape that was obviously an early attempt by the previous owner to do something with this.
Then an ultrasonic cleaning bath at 15Khz to clean out the dirt and dust in the pitted surfaces.
Still won't be pretty but it'll shine a bit and I can halt the deterioration.
Looking at the boom in the LSWT at the San Diego Museum site....
I'll bet this model would go right on it and probably was at one time.
The canard and other control surfaces are all mechanically operated through the boom.
Please provide an address to send the pics to.
Or some way to zip up the lot and post them.
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