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Post by ltstanfo on Jan 23, 2005 10:03:43 GMT 9
Hello, I was "shopping" around ebay the other day and came across this item: cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4520794581&category=26439THIS AUCTION ENDS ON 23 JANUARY, 2005 Can someone confirm that this is indeed the correct control column for an F-106 and not an F-102 as I think it might be? I am interested in procuring this if it is an F-106 part but somehow the left side of the stick doesn't seem correct to me. Any help is appreciated, Regards, Lee Stanford "ltstanfo" |
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Post by MArv on Jan 23, 2005 14:19:55 GMT 9
I believe you are correct in that this control stick is from a F-102. The official FSN for ALL MA-1 parts was 464XXX-XXX not the 463XXX that I see on the ID plate. After the GUN MOD, the later version of the 083 had the RADAR Boresite switch on it, but not the second switch, ( Nose/Tail ) like this one. The "6" Nose/Tail switch was on the 305 unit on the Instrument Panel. If anyone else might really know for 100 per cent sure it would be a Pilot or maybe John Bartosewich because I know the trainers at Lowry only had the single boresite switch It certainly does look pristine and in great shape! I'm taking the 99 and 44/100 per cent sure bet that it is from an F-102. MArv   |
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Post by ltstanfo on Jan 23, 2005 14:24:14 GMT 9
MArv,
Thank you very much for your reply. I am fairly certain this is from an F-102 but wanted to hear it from someone with direct experience.
I grew up watching F-106s fly over Ft. Walton Beach, FL (Tyndall AFB) every time my parents took me there for a vacation and have been a fan of the aircraft ever since.
Regards,
ltstanfo
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Post by Jim on Jan 24, 2005 13:43:55 GMT 9
I'm taking the 99 and 44/100 per cent sure bet that it is from an F-102. MArv LIKE IVORY SNOW SOAP YE BE A FLOATING AN CORRECT.. AN LIKE ALL WEENIES- YE BE A WANTIN TO BE A BETTIN ON A SURE THING AN A TIPO ME FINE FATIQUE CAP TA YE-- THE OLD SARGE |
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Post by chiefothedarts on Jan 27, 2005 12:11:11 GMT 9
Greetings to all, Here is your 100 percent that the stick is for the F 102. I printed out the pictures posted on E bay and took them with me into the cockpit of our F 102 in the CAM hanger. They match up. So, it is definitely for an F 102. MArv is correct about the 463 and 464 numbers. 463 is MG 10 and 464 is MA 1. The Deuce is coming along real well, but I could use an assist from an egress guy on the seat removal. Corrosion has really taken its toll on this aircraft, but we are going to save it. We had a nice visit with the crew from Mclellan this morning as they are preparing to recover their SIX from AMARC. So, if you are out there Egress Deuce guys, let me hear from you. Ralph |
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Post by MArv on Jan 27, 2005 14:05:12 GMT 9
Ralph I know I have NOT looked inside of a "Deuce" cockpit in quite some time, but didn't the ejection seat in those birds and the "6" get the same ejection seat?? The Zero/Zero seat should only be really held in place by the cross bolt at the top of the solid rocket, then the seat slides up about 10 in and tilts forward to remove from the rail. I might be wrong!   MArv |
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Post by Jim on Jan 27, 2005 14:51:22 GMT 9
Egress wasn't imvented until mid 59 after 2 "inadvetent " violent canopy / seat removals at Griffiss. . I believe there were 2 seat mods within the first 4 years of the Dueces' life....Believe there are 2 sets of initiator linkages that have to be disconnected-one on each side of the seat on the back... presume that those initiators are long gone...The canopy has to be removed and the early seats had to be pulled the full length of the rails..it is a 2 man job- 1 in the cockpit and one standing on the rails------After 48 years, that is the best I can recall............Being retired , Chief O' The Darts, what ye be a doin fer relaxin   Hopin the Good Lord be a holdin off with tha first shovel of dirt til I be a gettin meself to Castle...The Old Sarge |
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Post by chiefothedarts on Jan 29, 2005 9:09:23 GMT 9
Her is my take on the seats. Both SIX and Deuce seats were made by Weber Aircraft. The Six seat was easy to remove as it had slots near the lower end of the guide rails. All I had to do was slide the seat up about 8 inches, push the bottom of the seat forward thru the slots, slide the seat up until the upper block cleared the rail, tilt the seat forward, lift the seat over the canopy rail, and place it on the B4 stand. The DEUCE seat is completely different and an older W 8-)EBER model. I have disconnected everything except the seat adjuster actuator. I think that the worm gear or what ever drives the seat is frozen with corrosion. The connecting bolts are located about halfway between the headrest and the cockpit floor. Anyone have a 5 foot arm. The weekend is here, so it is back to the Tech Orders. Ralph  on the Green Beer |
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Post by MOW on Jan 29, 2005 19:19:23 GMT 9
Here's some info from the Ejection Seat page of my website. The Dart and Dagger seats were not the same, although built by Weber. The first seat the F-106 used was an interim seat derivative of the seat used in the F-102 Delta Dagger interceptor. The interim seat was a 1950’s design, incorporating a pyrotechnic lap belt release system, probably of MA-5 or MA-6 -type, and an automatic parachute-opening assembly in a BA-18 parachute back pack. The catapult was of M-3 type, later to be replaced by the MK-1 rocket/catapult. This seat had no zero-zero ejection capabilities and pilots were told no ground level ejections at speeds below 120 KEAS and if possible always eject no lower than 2000 feet. The zero-zero seat for the F-106 came almost ten years after designing the first interim seat for the F-106. Weber engineers went back to the task with designing the B-seat replacement, using the interim seat as the starting point. The new seat used a ROCAT catapult-rocket system. It also used a new gun-deployed parachute system working in tandem with the ROCAT to achieve timely and reliable parachute opening, as well as substantial pilot deceleration following an ejection from an aircraft at rest on the ground - the so-called “0-0” ejection profile. Unlike most 0-0 seats of its day (or even of today), this Weber seat was live-tested in the 0-0 mode in late 1965 during Project 90. The seat would be used during the greater part of the F-106 career with the USAF. |
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Post by Ralph L Robledo on Jan 30, 2005 2:43:51 GMT 9
Pat, Thanks for the information. I have been in contact with an Egress guy named Charlie Dunne via instant messages on the website. He is an egress guy from the Deuce and SIX era with a lot of experience on other aircraft. Just another example of how valuable the website is , not only friendship, but all of that technical expertise that is out there to restore and maintain our history of the United States Air Force. Thanks to everyone. Ralph |
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