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Post by Jim on Dec 31, 2005 15:46:19 GMT 9
DEDICATED TO ALL THOSE WHO > FLEW BEHIND ROUND ENGINES and to those of us who worked on them and flew as passengers to our various tdy duties around the world. They ranged from the 450hp R985 Wasp in the L-20 to the R4360 compounds in Old Shakey, These A/c were readily indentified by the 2 to 4 sticks stuck on a shaft sticking out on one end of the engine.....How many were you priveliged to fly on   > > > We gotta get rid of those turbines, they're ruining aviation and > our hearing. > > A turbine is too simple minded, it has no mystery. > The air travels through it in a straight line and doesn't pick up > any of the pungent fragrance of engine oil or pilot sweat. > > Anybody can start a turbine. You just need to move a > switch from "OFF" to "START" and then remember to move > it back to "ON" after a while. My PC is harder to start. > > Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style. You > have to seduce it into starting. It's like waking up a horny mistress. > On some planes, the pilots aren't even allowed to do it. > > Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a ladylike poof > and start whining a little louder. > > Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click, BANG, > more rattles, another BANG, a big macho FART or two, more clicks, > a lot more smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. > It's a GUY thing. > > When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can > concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting a turbine is like flicking on > a ceiling fan. Useful, but hardly exciting. > > When you have started his round engine successfully your Crew > Chief looks up at you like he'd let you kiss his girl, too! Turbines > don't break or catch fire often enough, which leads to aircrew > boredom, complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed > looks and sounds like it's going to blow any minute. This helps to > concentrate the mind! > > Turbines don't have enough control levers or gauges to keep a pilot's > attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long flights. > > Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman Lamps. > Round engines smell like God intended machines to smell.  Thanks to me fine friend, Capt Brownshoes for this one as a reminder of how varied my career was...The Old Sarge |
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Post by Cougar on Mar 22, 2007 21:58:50 GMT 9
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Post by Jim on Mar 22, 2007 23:39:05 GMT 9
Speakin of round engines.....I'm sufferin from brain fade and can't remember the start cycle for the 75.  Got the bug while salivating over Bill Childer's picture of 59-0043; looking down the burner and thinkin I'd love to hear that bad a-s-s mother run again - a full mil run with a couple of burner lights - then it dawned on me that I couldn't remember the start cycle. news.webshots.com/photo/2067328960030085013EDVvOJ ;D ;D ;D ;D 1st step was usually to apply power of some sort ::)The Old Sarge Yes those pics will make you slobber over the edge of you chin......Especially for me, it was one of the first a/c that I painted the unique 27th FIS markings on Thanks Bill |
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Post by Bill Childers on Mar 22, 2007 23:47:43 GMT 9
;D :-/I bet if you were to sit down in the cockpit it would all come back to you in an instant.  |
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Post by MOW on Mar 23, 2007 7:16:07 GMT 9
I would love to crank one up and taxi it down to the trim pad again! After I left the six and went to the F-16... those days were gone. Nobody had taxi certs on the 16. And working an a jet with only 10-15 flying hours  uheard of! |
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Post by ma1marv on Mar 23, 2007 11:53:52 GMT 9
Lets see if we can "Spark" that memory! Step 1, Get into the cockpit! After checking for the seat pin and making sure the canopy jack was in place! Step two. Turn on Master 28VDC switch (Fwd LH console) Step 3. Turn on fuel control switches (Also LH fwd panel) Provided you had checked to see if you had fuel and at least 1500 -2000 lbs (or more!)of air pressure indicated on the pressure valve (Fwd RH console) AND you had bothered to install those Intake screens, you could now procede to holding down the start button on the Throttle quadrant. (Step 4) Step 5 With a quick shift of your wrist, and while holding down the start button, move the throttle fwd of center on the quadrant, then: Step 6 Shift the upper half of the quadrant out board, then in board again - QUICKLY! Step 6.5! Keep your finger on the start button! Step 7 As the engine starts motoring over shift the quadrant fwd of center towards the 3/4 "Full Mil" setting. Step 8 Hold on until the rpm gauge starts reading in the 80% range, then you should be able to let go of he start button and shift the throttle quadrant back to center (Run) position. Step 8.5! Keep your feet on the brake pedals, just in case someone forgot to chock it properly! Step 9 Once the motor gets up to around 85% bring the trottle back to idle position. How close was I for an MA-1 puke??? Its been a long time! MArv  |
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Post by Cougar on Mar 23, 2007 14:14:36 GMT 9
Right on MArv, its all coming back to me now - at 85% power our flight shack would have been history, and if ya stood on the ladder and started it ya didn't have to check seat pins. I also remember that if you bled the starter into a nearly full fuel barrel and then attempted a combustion start without removing that barrel the fire department would show up. And, they weren't there to put out a fire, they were there to hose off the $hit running down the crew chiefs leg. On another one of those spontaneous moments I can recall a Saturday at Castle when a couple of jocks attempted to fly a gyrocopter by attaching it to a rather long rope, that rope itself being attached to a tail-hook. Because the pusher prop wasn't available the plan was to rely upon J-75 exhaust gasses to simulate forward motion, which was supposed to cause the rotoblade to turn and thereby provide lift. Needless to say, things got outa hand; the whirly-bird ended up on its side, its pilot rather red-faced and its rotorblade converted to firewood. |
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Post by pat perry on Mar 24, 2007 2:01:12 GMT 9
Right on MArv, its all coming back to me now - at 85% power our flight shack would have been history, and if ya stood on the ladder and started it ya didn't have to check seat pins. I also remember that if you bled the starter into a nearly full fuel barrel and then attempted a combustion start without removing that barrel the fire department would show up. And, they weren't there to put out a fire, they were there to hose off the $hit running down the crew chiefs leg. Cougar, At Castle in 66-68 I also witnessed a fuel can fire on the trim pad during a post dock inspection run-up. Msgt Fellabaum (dock chief) almost carried one of those big two-wheeler fire extinguishers into the flames and put it out. Saved the day because it would have been a melted pile by the time fire units responded. Seems I also remember one of the CCs did a run up on the flight line and blew the AP shack over. Seems he and the AP had been having a running fued. I loved it when working nights watching the trim pad run-ups hit after burner. Too bad taking pictures was so forbidden back then. Maybe that was our way of getting back at the KC-135 mechanics who did their water injection test run-ups at night across the street from my barracks # 124. Sound vibration was so bad I had to put all the furniture back in position the next morning. I've just got to believe that somewhere there is a old ADC film with sound that has a F-106 starting up. I'll bet Marty Isham would know! Then there was crew chief Bruce Gookin who had a chevy with one of those tiny welded chain steering wheels. The AP's wrote him up a ticket and our CO, LtCol John Marcotte, went down to the AP HQ and said if I can drive a F-106 with a stick then my crew chief can certainly drive his car with a tiny steering wheel. They dismissed the ticket. Ah, the good old days... so many memories, so many beers and the chow hall served the best SOS I ever had! Pat Perry |
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Post by Jim on Mar 24, 2007 13:02:46 GMT 9
ah hell have two more but take care of the tenor what be a fallin down (MA-1 weeeeeeenie, no doubt)......... > Round engines smell like God intended machines to smell. Thanks to me fine friend, Capt Brownshoes for this one as a reminder of how varied my career was...The Old Sarge Don't remember the 85% bit , however......The only combustion start fires I remember were in the DUECE..........
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Post by Durden on Mar 25, 2007 0:59:45 GMT 9
Basic Start Cycle assuming that all prestart checks have been made and you
are ready to start.
1-Hold ignition button down with throttle in off position.
2-Move throttle lever outboard to actuate the start button.
3-Move throttle lever inboard and up to Idle position.
4-Hold ignition button down until RPM reaches 30% and release.
5-Engine RPM increases to Idle RPM- 59-61%.
Now you are ready to rumble and make a lot of noise.
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Post by Cougar on Mar 25, 2007 3:10:03 GMT 9
Basic Start Cycle assuming that all prestart checks have been made and you are ready to start. 1-Hold ignition button down with throttle in off position. 2-Move throttle lever outboard to actuate the start button. 3-Move throttle lever inboard and up to Idle position. 4-Hold ignition button down until RPM reaches 30% and release. 5-Engine RPM increases to Idle RPM- 59-61%. Now you are ready to rumble and make a lot of noise. Thanks Al MArv, you owe us all a green bottle. We was about ready to strap ourselves in the cockpit and engage our imaginations; only to find out that you was joshin us with them tall tales about quick-shifting wrist action and 85% power. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by ma1marv on Mar 25, 2007 9:19:06 GMT 9
HEyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes: Like I said, It has been AWHILE! Besides, I was pretty busy doing MA-1 things most of the time! My thanks to Dennis Andyburr for helping me get that start sequence. Dennis always did like fast cars--Fast women-- Fast anything! ;D I'm in on the speed record if we can get the Air Force to do such a crazy thing. I think I'll start with a letter or two, to my recently re-elected Congressman (Even though he's a Demo!) and a letter or two to my Senators! That might get the ball rolling! I have years worth of savings bonds I'll be happy to cash in and donate, just to see a new speed record! Who else is in?? MArv |
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Post by Tom Dlugosh on Mar 26, 2007 3:13:49 GMT 9
I'm in! I think I can afford about 5 minutes of JP4. Maybe not. I forgot how thirsty the six can be in AB.
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Post by Jim on Mar 26, 2007 12:54:44 GMT 9
::)i'M IN WITH ANOTHER CLOCK AND THAT MICK PAT PERRY WILL NO DOUBT DO HIS USUAL AND PAY THE FREIGHT The Old Sarge
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Post by pat perry on Mar 27, 2007 0:38:59 GMT 9
::)i'M IN WITH ANOTHER CLOCK AND THAT MICK PAT PERRY WILL NO DOUBT DO HIS USUAL AND PAY THE FREIGHT The Old Sarge Consider the freight a "done deal" Old Sarge! Al Durden has turned me on to a possible source of some F-106 engine sounds. We'll see what turns up. Pat Perry |
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Post by Erv Smalley (deceased) on Mar 28, 2007 1:16:41 GMT 9
Pat Perry - Al Durden's VHS tape is in the snail mail to you yesterday (26 Mar 07)...Erv Smalley
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