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Post by KILROY on Jul 29, 2004 11:41:37 GMT 9
While watching C span yesterday the armed service committee was talking about changing the pay scale rates for special operations afsc,mos & designators to compete with their civilian counterparts security people.What is your opinions. KILROY  |
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Post by Jim on Jul 29, 2004 13:59:20 GMT 9
Sounds like the OLD PROPAY SYS of the 60's----I didn't agree with it then and I don't agree now....Give them a good increase in hazardous duty pay when they are actually performing that duty and make it tax free....In as much as almost all of that duty is voluntary and generally requires something we used up a long time ago (YOUTH), what do you do when that indiviidual gets too old to accomplish the mission? Give him a pay cut or continue to pay him for a job he no longer perform?
Jim, the younger Old Sarge
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Post by MArv on Jul 30, 2004 6:05:28 GMT 9
I say "Give them a PATCH to wear! Something shiney and real target like!" If I wanted to be a "Cop" then I would have signed on for the job, back in 1966. I knew better! Sorry to sound so negative about "The Elite Special Forces" but the "Air Force Security Forces" all seem to want to be front line grunts! They think that they are there to take a country! To go in and take over where NO OTHER military force has been and establish an operational site! Sorry again that I sound so damn negative! But I am! If the front line troops need a special payrate for combat duty, then lets give it to them! Increase the present Combat Pay to make it seem a likely choice for anyone foolish enough to want to get SHOT at! WAR is for the young man! I do believe it now, more than ever! The glory, the adventure and the macho portrait of those who participate in such is what captures the imagination of those young enough to believe it! I'm sure glad I'm "Over the hill" because if I had to do it again, I probably would choose working on airplanes, just like the first time! Go ahead and give them a pay raise! It still won't ever be enough! MArv  |
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Post by KILROY on Jul 30, 2004 11:39:22 GMT 9
The air force AFSC`S that they talked about was para rescue,foward weather observer,foward air controler,& force protection (air cops). they were talking about loosing most of their ssgt,tsgt,& junior msgt to private security companys paying any where from 300 to 1,000 dollars a day depending on job and location. and they want to try and compete with that? To me thats BULL $hit, They enlisted just like everyone else they should get paid the same with extra hostle fire pay when they are on a fire mission.KILROY |
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Post by Jim on Jul 30, 2004 12:12:39 GMT 9
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Post by KILROY on Jul 31, 2004 0:11:54 GMT 9
To the irish one,i`ll drink to that  I too was a apg type worked a lot of years in field maint aero repair. Pro pay galled my a$$ also. I read in the latest issue of air force sgt association magazine where the air force has come up with a assignment incentive pay . they will now pay an airman an extra $300 a month if they will serve a 24mo unaccompanied tour or a 36mo accompanied tour in korea boy how times haved changed. KILROY |
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Post by Jim on Jul 31, 2004 1:43:11 GMT 9
To the irish one,i`ll drink to that I too was a apg type worked a lot of years in field maint aero repair. Pro pay galled my a$$ also. I read in the latest issue of air force sgt association magazine where the air force has come up with a assignment incentive pay . they will now pay an airman an extra $300 a month if they will serve a 24mo unaccompanied tour or a 36mo accompanied tour in korea boy how times haved changed. KILROY McGeep retired too early............ME ARSEHOLE is still rubbed raw over propay.......And these guys live in DORMITORIES with REFRIGERATORS- WHATNHELL happened to open bay BARRACKS and DBLE BUNKS ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Mark O on Apr 23, 2009 6:47:40 GMT 9
Holy thread resurection Batman! I saw the title pay scales and thought, "Why start a new thread" so I'm using this one! WOW! How about the pay scales from July 1st, 1958? Check out this. It's the Airman's Pocket Guide from 1958. Enjoy! www.daedalianflight61.org/AF%20Pocket%20Guide_1958.pdfMark |
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Post by Mark O on Apr 23, 2009 7:08:28 GMT 9
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Post by az09 on Apr 23, 2009 7:52:37 GMT 9
When I came in in 1965, I left a union "hod" carrier job making more money than my non-union dad.
I took a big pay cut to $79.00 a month. I made my $45.00 payment on my 1955 Chevy 2-door hardtop. Filled my gas tank and still had money to loan to the guys who couldn't handle their money. The local loan shark came to me bitching about me ruining his loan operation. I told him I was just helping out my friends a couple days before payday. I also mentioned we could go talk with the 1st Sgt about my competition with his loans format. He said, "Don't bother."
When I finally made some stripes and more pay, I got married. Now that was a challenge, but some good times.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Apr 23, 2009 7:53:08 GMT 9
 Wow! July 1958. I was stationed at Sioux City Air Base (SCAB). Married, two children, lived in a rented house, mostly furnished, in Sioux City, and wondering if we would have enough money to pay the rent and buy groceries. I think I was driving a 1952 Nash Statesman four-door sedan. Pale green color. I was crew chief on F86L 858 and assistant flight chief to TSgt Charlie Evanich in the 13th FIS. We had a very small commissary at the SCAB and did most grocery shopping at Red Owl and Piggly Wiggly in Sioux City. AS I recall, gas was less than a quarter a gallon, and if you got over 20 MPG, you had an economy car. I wonder how we ever managed. But we did and none the worse for the experience. :god_bless_usa
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Post by az09 on Apr 23, 2009 8:10:34 GMT 9
We got married in December of 1966. Took the married quarters rate of $130.00 added to my base pay. We paid $45.00 rent on a "shotgun" house, next door to another jet troop there in Abilene. The wife and I did okay, usually newly weds don't make it too far from the bed room - LOL ! ! ......... anyway we would collect soda bottles , cash them in for .02 a bottle and go to the drive-in with our neighbors for $1.00 a car load. Man o man, we thought we were in "tall cotton."
They use to have "gas wars", and we would fill up on the way to work, if we had some extra cash. The cheapest I saw was .09 a gallon for regular.
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Post by Bullhunter on Apr 23, 2009 11:36:11 GMT 9
I was in technical school at Chanute AFB in 1971 when pres. Nixon gave the military that big pay raise. Tripled my pay over night. talk about "tall cotton." For CIC Richard Nixon   |
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Post by az09 on Apr 23, 2009 18:01:41 GMT 9
Yeah that pay raise was nice for the lower ranked guys. Some young married folks qualified for food stamps and the higher leadership were shamed into making the pay re-alignment happen.
That was when the NCOA came into being to act as a lobby for the career enlisted populace. A life membership was $100 and the small life insurance policy came in handy 30 years later when I cashed it in to pay off my credit card. Its nice to be debt free going into the kids college years.
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Post by lindel on Apr 23, 2009 19:55:42 GMT 9
President Reagan did us proud too, I got a 14% out of that one. My brother wasn't too happy tho, it put him into a different tax bracket!
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Post by az09 on Apr 23, 2009 23:25:59 GMT 9
President Reagan gave us force up grade from the tool boxes up. Before we were still using some WW2 stuff. Maybe the up grades will last 50 years too.
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Post by jimpadgett on May 12, 2009 23:22:27 GMT 9
Wow $78 a month for 1st 4 months when I enlisted and $608 for the same in the year I retired! And people are unhappy now. I was thrilled.
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Post by falconkeeper on Jun 17, 2009 6:33:19 GMT 9
I started out at $100.13 a month and when the pay jumped to above $600. I just couldn't figure out how an airman could spend that much money. But they managed.
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