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Post by KILROY on Jul 16, 2004 11:17:53 GMT 9
Gentlemen ,Can anyone out there tell me if todays warrant officer rank is commisioned or warrrant?Some of the old farts at the diner say they are now commisioned officers i say there not ,they are appointed by warrant. KILROY  |
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Post by Jim on Jul 16, 2004 16:07:02 GMT 9
Gentlemen ,Can anyone out there tell me if todays warrant officer rank is commisioned or warrrant?Some of the old farts at the diner say they are now commisioned officers i say there not ,they are appointed by warrant. KILROY WHENINHELL DID THE AF REINSTITUTE THE WO PROGAM?  ?? The last I knew, the last AF W.O. received his WARRANT in 1958- the year that CMSgt came into existence-----BTW the test that the first SMSgts took was the W.O. test--the same one they wouldn't take !!!!!!!!! The finest man I ever worked for and with, was a rarity, both in character and rank-he was a CWO-5....Some of you may have been fortunate to have known him- John H. Johnston . I was associated with him for the 7 years we were in the 27thFIS..Warrant Officers, whether it is the Army, Coast Guard, or the Marines are as their title implies-Warranted Officers-......By the way any of you old farts have a warrant for SSgt? |
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Post by kilroy on Jul 17, 2004 1:50:50 GMT 9
I know .The airforce is the only service that did away with warrant officers, thats what brought up the subject. One of the coffee sippers said he had a grandson in the army and that after they make W2 they become commissioned. I said i dont think so and thats when the big turd hit the fan everyone at the counter started in they are and they ain`t. Heck i still dont know! KILROY |
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Post by Jim on Jul 17, 2004 5:07:01 GMT 9
Say Hey, OLD SARGE KILROY  why ye be admittin ina public place tha ye be asittin down to coffee with hard headed grunts......Warrants are issued by Dpt of the Army,Navy, etc.....Commisions are granted by CONGRESS thus making them gentlemen...Warrants have to do it on their own....... :(Me thinks it best tha ye no be a drinkin a pint with the likes o ye associates- they could become belligerent an ye be a havin to show them ye right hook....SOOOOOO I be a takin agreen bottle pint fer ye  , nah hell have un with me |
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Post by Mark O on Jul 20, 2004 1:08:41 GMT 9
Hey Kilroy, Yes. WO get commissioned when they make CW2. Check out this web site - leav-www.army.mil/wocc/whatiswo.htmThe USAF tossed around the idea of bringing Warrants back a couple years ago and I think it would be a good idea. I think the E-8s and E-9s ganged up and killed the idea. Must be worried about job security. They say they are the subject matter experts but I'll be damned if I ever see any out on the line showing us the ropes. They are all administrators. It's the Staffs and Techs out there making things happen. My idea is get some Warrants who don't have to deal with the admin BS and concentrate on maintenance. Just my two cents but I have first hand experience dealing with the Army Warrants and know it works. Mark |
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Post by KILROY on Jul 20, 2004 2:36:21 GMT 9
Thanks for the info Mark. Boy the airforce must have changed one hellofalot. As a msgt &smsgt iworked I disagree off on the flt line.I was in a MAC enroute maintenance sqdn as a shift chief over several shops.Many,many times i have helped change engines,helped repair battle damage,changed air packs,hyd actuators any thing to make sure the air craft departed station on time. KILROY |
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Post by KILROY on Jul 20, 2004 2:40:21 GMT 9
Dont know where the I disagree came from it was worked my a$$ off. KILROY |
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Post by Jim on Jul 20, 2004 11:40:58 GMT 9
Dont know where the I disagree came from it was worked my a$$ off. KILROY  :-[Can't leave this one alone!!!!!!!!Gota pitchur ina profile :)LMAO.......If WOs were to come from todays resources- would suggest they be drawn from the techs and jr masters and let the e8.9 program die the death it probabley deserves. This comment based on MArv's comment in another topic.....I still get violently pi$$ed when I remember that 2 mos tig shafted me out of an opportunity at warrant %$#*&^%#*&^%.....YES, there WERE and no doubt, STILL ARE SMSgt and Cmsgt that would be outstanding as warrants......You can blame the techs and masters of '54 -56 for not applying for warrant.....Lets have a beer out n the green bottle |
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Post by Numbnutts on Jul 21, 2004 5:42:30 GMT 9
Ref: WO for Tech and Masters 54 to 56. Techs were not eligible for WO. Was a Tech at that time and refused the test because I was not a MSGT.
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Post by Jim on Jul 21, 2004 15:32:53 GMT 9
We had a CWO2 at Griffiss in 56 that told me he was made a warrant without having been a msgt.....He was either weapons or fire control. It was this that I based my statement on...........Too bad techs couldn't become wo-----They might have weeded out the ROAD msgts
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Post by Jim on Jul 21, 2004 15:33:42 GMT 9
We had a CWO2 at Griffiss in 56 that told me he was made a warrant without having been a msgt.....He was either weapons or fire control. It was this that I based my statement on...........Too bad techs couldn't become wo-----They might have weeded out the ROAD msgts
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?? The last I knew, the last AF W.O. received his WARRANT in 1958- the year that CMSgt came into existence-----BTW
why ye be admittin ina public place tha ye be asittin down to coffee with hard headed grunts......Warrants are issued by Dpt of the Army,Navy, etc.....Commisions are granted by CONGRESS
, nah hell have un with me 
