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Post by fjborchardt on Feb 28, 2012 12:34:50 GMT 9
Building a full scale cockpit of a "Six" (A) and am down to the task of painting. Anybody know the FS colors for the dash, TSD and L/R side panels below the control heads . Pictures to come soon...I hope. If it makes any difference, the dash has the vertical tape instruments. Thanks for any info.
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Post by Mark O on Feb 28, 2012 13:11:51 GMT 9
Building a full scale cockpit of a "Six" (A) and am down to the task of painting. Anybody know the FS colors for the dash, TSD and L/R side panels below the control heads . Pictures to come soon...I hope. If it makes any difference, the dash has the vertical tape instruments. Thanks for any info. "FULL SCALE" As in 1:1??? Wow! Well, I'm not sure of the FS numbers, but here's a start... www.f-106deltadart.com/cockpit.htmBTW, to the forums! Edit: I just checked the Revell kit instructions, and they call for Dark Gull Gray (FS 36231) as the primary interior color if that helps.
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Post by Diamondback on Feb 28, 2012 18:14:59 GMT 9
about Sixes specifically, but of late 36231 aka "Dark Gull Gray" is pretty close to the "Universal US Military Aircraft Interior Color"--almost every kit I've seen in the past ten years of 1960s-on military AC calls for 36231 or equivalent, regardless of kit manufacturer or bird. Does anyone ever use 37031 "Aircraft Interior Black" qv "Cockpit Black" anymore? (031 is even more light absorbent than 37038 "standard" Flat Black.)
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Feb 29, 2012 0:18:01 GMT 9
The panel was dull gray the face plates on the control panel and TSD were gray, the panels on both sides of the cockpit were black with clear plastic around the switches and all the lettering was clear plastic. The only exception were the warning lites. The instruments were black faced with white lettering and black case's. Some of the side panel knob's were gray as was the throttle quad, the 083 stick was black with red triggers.
Bear
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Post by Jim on Feb 29, 2012 1:02:16 GMT 9
And all glare shields were flat black, and in the six, like bear says, the console panels were flat black to help the backlighting stand out
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Post by dude on Mar 1, 2012 1:27:55 GMT 9
Switch guards on Master Arm and Aux were red. I think the chute deploy handle was yellow and the tail hook button was yellow, but had a guard that was covered with red funny film. The air/air refueling lights where blue, green and yellow. The Master Caution Panel was black until a warning light lit, which was yellow lettering. The Master Warning light on the front panel was yellow. So was the Max Manuever light. Front panel also had red lights for hydraulic fail, fire, and gear unsafe. When the scope was on, it was green (no filter). When the TSD was on the screen was a dull tan map. Black when it was off.
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Post by fjborchardt on Mar 1, 2012 10:29:11 GMT 9
Holy Smokes!!! You guys are great! Yes, it's 1:1 scale. I've done a massive amount of research on this project. Using the trainer cockpit at Ellsworth AFB, I've got more pictures of that than I have of my kids. This would have been easier if I was closer to EAFB, but I'm in Rochester MN. Anyhow, the trainer gave me the control panel measurements and from that I scaled the illustrations in Bert Kinzeys book "F106 Delta Dart in detail and scale." To cross check the accuracy of panels verbage, I have a complete -1. This T.O is loaded with information as to what color lights and press-to-test indicators apply. Only in the -1 will you learn that the standby airspeed indicator (0- 800) is cranked sideways ( intergrated systems only) Theres a slew of instruments (2 inch diameter) that just don't exist anymore, so with the help of my lathe and an engraving machine the dash is full of accurate, inoperatible gauges. The amazing power of e-bay brought out the impossible instruments (ADI, HSI, AMI, AVI, standby ADI and airspeed indicator and clock) at the cost of time and shipping. This is a project that I'm extremely proud of (cantcha tell?) and I could go on forever...but I won't. Thanks a bunch for the advice on the colors, I'll be using Testors Model Master enamel paint with an airbrush. Like I said, pictures soon..I hope. Thanks again and I'll keep in touch
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Post by pat perry on Mar 1, 2012 12:14:46 GMT 9
Holy Smokes!!! You guys are great! Yes, it's 1:1 scale. I've done a massive amount of research on this project. Using the trainer cockpit at Ellsworth AFB, I've got more pictures of that than I have of my kids. This would have been easier if I was closer to EAFB, but I'm in Rochester MN. Anyhow, the trainer gave me the control panel measurements and from that I scaled the illustrations in Bert Kinzeys book "F106 Delta Dart in detail and scale." To cross check the accuracy of panels verbage, I have a complete -1. This T.O is loaded with information as to what color lights and press-to-test indicators apply. Only in the -1 will you learn that the standby airspeed indicator (0- 800) is cranked sideways ( intergrated systems only) Theres a slew of instruments (2 inch diameter) that just don't exist anymore, so with the help of my lathe and an engraving machine the dash is full of accurate, inoperatible gauges. The amazing power of e-bay brought out the impossible instruments (ADI, HSI, AMI, AVI, standby ADI and airspeed indicator and clock) at the cost of time and shipping. This is a project that I'm extremely proud of (cantcha tell?) and I could go on forever...but I won't. Thanks a bunch for the advice on the colors, I'll be using Testors Model Master enamel paint with an airbrush. Like I said, pictures soon..I hope. Thanks again and I'll keep in touch Welcome aboard fjborchardt. That's quite an interesting project you have going. I hope your are documenting your progress with words and pictures. We look forward to hearing and seeng how far you have come. Hmmmm, you have a -1 manual. Makes me wonder if we should start a project to round up some PDF file copies of Tech Orders for the F-106 site for our members to reference (none that are still classified of course). Years ago I saw some for sale on the Internet - haven't looked for any lately. Tell us about yourself and how you came to be inspired to do this full scale cockpit project. Pat P. :welcome
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Post by ma1marv on Mar 1, 2012 13:25:47 GMT 9
OK - all of the various items you listed are correct - but If the builder is going to have the "Last Version" of the cockpit then the colors are fine. Does the cockpit trainer have an optical sight? If so then the view screen on the radar scope was a blue/white -the old DVST. When the computer was upgraded, the new scope came along - the MMST. That had the greenish scope face when the scope was on and operating. Most of the time in RADAR mode and we still had the optical sight on the upper window frame. Oh - are you including the compass that was bolted next to the optical sight?? When we got the Gun Mod - the scope changed in its basic look on the outside - the addition of the HUD and reflecting glass. The scope face when operating was still pretty much a green display. And NO optical sight! Before going all the way with your color schemes please inform us of what you intend to have as the main theme. Was this cockpit the earlier version - say pre -1969 - or will it be the last and most up to date version - or somewhere in between??? MArv :fire_missle_ani :patriotic-flagwaver
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Mar 1, 2012 22:41:48 GMT 9
The camera sat on top of the scope and it was flat black. Also there was vision splitter above the scope that was flat black. The optic site was dull gray the compass was black with white lettering.
Bear
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Post by ma1marv on Mar 1, 2012 23:55:02 GMT 9
HEHE!! Quite right Bear!
But if he chooses the older version with the DVST, then the camera was down in the 05 hole mounted on the door! Remember?? So - which version of an F-106 cockpit simulator are you doing?? Inquiring minds want to know!
MArv :fire_missle_ani :patriotic-flagwaver
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Post by fjborchardt on Mar 2, 2012 11:52:43 GMT 9
I guess I'm not used to the attention this project has suddenly gathered. Rochester MN is a medical community and the only interest shown in aircraft is when a B-25 makes a stop here. I'm not a medical person, I like aircraft. It's great to be involved in a like-minded community such as I have found here. Thank you all for the interest and help being offered here. A little about me: Retired in 94, E7 (STEP Promotee). Weapons troop (462) for 22/24 years and the last two years found me as the Superintendent of Detachment 1, USAF Weapons School (Heavy) when Ellsworth had B-1's and B-52's. Another story for another time. Worked many aircraft, and am basicially a B52 person at heart but developed a fondness for the "Six". I was stationed at Minot (Spitten Kittens) and later transferred to Charleston AFB SC in an alert detachment that started as the 49th FIS (Green Eagles) and later changed over to the 48th FIS (Tazlanglyian Devils). As a note, I was initial cadre for bedding down the A-10 when it arrived at England AFB La, and later was assigned to Ellsworth AFB to assist in welcoming the B-1. It's been a terrific career and I miss it, the experiences and the comraderie, badly. I guess the project is my link to the enjoyable times of the past.
About the project. Several years ago there was a 5 FIS reunion that Beck (my wife) and I attended. Having family and great friends still in the area, we took the opportunity to not only update our relations, but also see what is new in the area. I guess I'm a museum person and when I found out about the Dakota Territory Air and Space Museum, it was a must to visit. The museum is very well run, very educational and has a variety of aircraft. It did have some information about the base, and had some artifacts from the old intercepter squadron. The reunion went very well and it was great to reconnect with those folks I served with a long, long time ago. Flying back to Rochester, Beck and I discussed the weekend and especially the museum. I mentioned that I would like to build a cockpit of an F-106 and eventually find someone who would like to take it as a donation; the museum in Minot being the target. Thus the long time relationship with the internet, e-bay, the -1, air museums and hundreds of other outlets for information. I don't work well under deadlines, especially when I want quality to be number one, so I haven't proposed this donation to anyone, anywhere. Perhaps in the summer I'll be able to set an end date, but until than it's a little project that I'm taking great enjoyment and care in completing.
This cockpit is representative of the aircraft "block" that had the integrated flight system, but didn't have the gun mod. I don't need the modified scope with the HUD nor do I need the sight. Depending on how I want this display to appear, and if I want to go as tall as the apex of the windscreen, dictates if I'll have a compass or not. The assembly to extend the compass from the metal surrounding is not difficult to build, nor is mounting a "g" meter difficult. It all depends on how tall I want the display. The structure itself will span from the rear cockpit bulkhead to the front of the scope. It will not contain the ejection seat, and unless an F-102 yoke is a suitable sub, it will not have a control stick. This is all in-the-back-of-my-head stuff as I'm concentrating on the interior workings and will fill in the details as it all works out. The design will not present an "interactive" enviroment. There's too many exhibits I've seen damaged beyond repair because five year old Johnny wants to slam the stick around or stand on the control panels. It's more of a "before" picture to be compared to current fighter/interceptor aircraft.
There. Thats about it for my project and I. I can't express enough the appreciation I have for your inquiries and support. You information has proved invaluable and it's great to dicscuss aircraft with people who like to discuss aircraft. Thanks again - Frank
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Post by Mark O on Mar 2, 2012 13:01:07 GMT 9
Thanks for the work you're doing on the project Frank. Wow! I thought I was an F-106 fan. One thing though - WE NEED PHOTOS!!!! Oh, you need an avatar too! Click on your user name, then 'Modify Profile', and you'll find the options under 'Personal Information', then a drop down menu under the 'Avatar' section. :salute BTW, a STEP to Master? Way to go! :salute I got mine the old fashioned way - first time test! (In other words, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile!!)
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Post by pat perry on Mar 3, 2012 0:45:36 GMT 9
Frank, Excellent post. We have high respect for guys who have fabrication skills and projects that allow them to use them.
Don't know if you heard but the Museum in Minot is supposed to be getting one of the last F-106 aircraft out of AMARC's bone yard in Tucson. Our Pastor Jim visited them recently and can give you the thread URL. The museum announced this in the local newspaper and I believe they are raising funds for the transport of the aircraft.
There were only 2 F-106s left and I believe the other one is headed back to the Dryden Test Center.
Pat P.
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Mar 3, 2012 2:28:24 GMT 9
Frank I sure I could make you a stick that would look like an 083 or stick, it might take a while ( month or 2) but I think I can do it. I would need to know how you are going to mount it to the floor.
Bear
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Post by fjborchardt on Mar 7, 2012 12:34:59 GMT 9
Bear: I appreciate the offer for a control yoke. Lemme dwell on it for a bit. Thanks to Pat for posting pictures of the project under "Cockpit Pictures". The next major assembly will be putting it all together. The pictures remind me how much more I need to do to complete each panel. Like I said, it's ongoing. Thanks again - Frank
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Post by jimstarling on Aug 28, 2012 10:35:29 GMT 9
Bear: I appreciate the offer for a control yoke. Lemme dwell on it for a bit. Thanks to Pat for posting pictures of the project under "Cockpit Pictures". The next major assembly will be putting it all together. The pictures remind me how much more I need to do to complete each panel. Like I said, it's ongoing. Thanks again - Frank Best of luck on your project, Frank. :salute I'd be interested in photos as well when you're ready to post.
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Post by shadowgunner on Aug 29, 2012 11:45:11 GMT 9
Frank, if it's any help to you, I just posted an album of cockpit pictures that I took of 590086's cockpit this afternoon ( under survivors, 590086 on the main site). Unfortunately the camera shows how much more cleanup work I need to do during the winter. The photos are on the main site in the folder "static display survivors" , 590086 www.f-106deltadart.com/photo_gallery
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