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Post by LBer1568 on Feb 8, 2012 3:12:56 GMT 9
Anyone remember how great the ADC TDY Flights used to be? As I remember about 7 TDY's from 539th McGuire AFB to Tyndall we never had any "real" AF transportation. The majority of my trips were in old C-123's flown by AF Reserves. The C-123 was originally designed as WWII Gliders, but were not finished before end of war. They had engines and fuel tanks added externally to wings like pylons. I remember one trip (Sat morning)we aborted in chocks 3 times before we finally took runway and got up to fast taxi speed before engine burped and died. They finally sent another C-123 to get us on Sunday. After spending 24 hours in Squadron area. This one only need maintenance twice, one for right engine and one for oil line busting on left engine. We finally got to Tyndall about midnight Sunday after an 0600 Sat original take off time. We also had C-119 ( Flying Boxcar) AF Reserve for 2 trips. One actually got airborne on schedule, but we had to do emergency landing somewhere in Alabama for no oil in right engine. We landed, they fixed an oil line and loaded another 55 gallon barrel to oil tank. McGuire was a Military Air Transport Service (MATS) Base and had perfectly good C-118 airplanes, but ADC didn't want to pay full price for TDY's. What was funny was we never had problems going home, just leaving home. We had one TDY to Red Flag at Nellis. That was in C-124, Old Shaky. It flew without any maintenance issues, but sea gulls were passing us in flight. That was longest flight I ever remember for such short distance. What was top speed about 275 knots/hr with tailwind?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 5:32:55 GMT 9
The only TDY I pulled was to Tyndall in 66, I think, and we flew a Dogpatch Airlines C 54 from somewhere out of the south. We were having a great time with our box lunches (no food, just the box). But it rattled the hell out of us when the pilot came back through the passenger compartment with his white scarf on to go to the bathroom. He relieved himself and managed to find a lunch box with some real food in it (a baloney sandwich and an apple if I remember). We noticed that the crew chief disappeared when the captain went back, but it didnt sink in until we asked the pilot how the autopilot was doing. He mentioned that it wasnt working, and the crew chief was flying the bird. We laughed a lot until the pilot went back to the cockpit and the crew chief came out and we saw he was sitting in the pilot's seat. We laughed a lot less when one of our guys got the maintenance log book, and the last entry was, in fact, AUTO PILOT INOP, signed by the pilot on the morning we left.
That was my last trip on a prop plane, either military or civilian.
With all the electronic geniuses on that plane, not one of us could have fixed a damned thing on it if it broke.
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Post by lindel on Feb 8, 2012 9:22:36 GMT 9
I went to Tyndall a few times. Mostly in a C-130, or driving myself. Never for a Willie Tell, but for a few Copper Flags, and an INS mod (that lasted for a year).
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Feb 8, 2012 9:56:45 GMT 9
I never got to Tyndall.
When I was at The SCAB we went to Yuma, and to Yuma, and to Yuma.
One year I was there 4 times.
We went for rocket firing our Saber Dogs out over the Sonora Desert Range.
There were also birds firing guns of one sort or another.
In 1958 there was a small group of 104s using their gun to tear up the sand.
Going to Yuma, we always had a number of people take POVs, and at least one passenger in each car.
The air transportation started out as the base C-47, but it didn't hold that many, so we also used the base 119s.
I much preferred the Gooney Bird. It didn't vibrate near as much as the 119.
One time we left for Yuma and hit bad weather as we were crossing in to Arizona. So, we circled above St. John, Arizona for over an hour, waiting for clearance to head to Yuma.
There is nothing to compare to the sound of ice being thrown off the props in to the side of that big aluminum box.
We never had any mechanical, or electrical problems on the 119s, just weather.
When the 119s were moved to another base, we flew in 123s.
Yep, slower than molasses.
They were, however, a pretty stable plane, once in the air.
One trip, we landed at Kirtland for an overnight stay.
They next morning there were strong cross winds.
So, we didn't go anyplace for two more days.
The 123, with the narrow gear, didn't do well with a cross wind.
We also went to Duluth, to fire out over the Lake Superior range.
Went there in Summer and Winter.
Winter was not much of a problem on the lake. Summer the Coast Guard had to clear the range area.
At Duluth we used B-26s with target rag coming out of the bomb bay.
At Yuma we also used the B-26. Early on it had the rag, then they began to hang a Firebee under each wing. It was released and the fighters would try to shoot it down. When it ran out of fuel, it rode to the sand on a chute.
The first 123s were, indeed, gliders with engines. However, they never were put in to service. Henry Kaiser was building those. He got in to some political tussle, lost the contract and Fairchild picked it up.
The ones the Air Force put in to service were the same basic design, but were built to have engines, R-2800, the wings had rubber bladder fuel cells, plus the under wing tanks.
We had to follow a careful refueling process. First the internal tanks, to give some weight, then we filled the underwing tanks using two men and two hoses.
A 123 just doesn't look right sitting on one underwing tank after someone filled just one side. The bottom of the tank had a heavy seam to prevent damage from going down to the ramp.
We never had them, but some versions had a J-85 under each wing, and some were capable of carrying JATO equipment.
That's my history lesson for to-day, from the mid to late 1950s in ADC.
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Post by bobdavis on Feb 8, 2012 12:17:43 GMT 9
I went to Tyndall twice on TDY for William Tell with the 48th FIS at Langley. Once on a C130 and once I drove down and back with a buddy. I can remember a few clubs and the Miracle Mile strip was fun. There was a club called Breakers East I think that was good.
Then I got PCS'd there in 78 and stayed there until 1980. Never did "get sand in my shoes" wanting to stay there however. It was too humid for my blood and the Paper Mill stunk bad.
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Post by jimpadgett on Feb 8, 2012 22:30:32 GMT 9
Ahhhh Dogpatch! Went to and from Tyndall 4 or 5 times and Richards-Gebaur once. Used C-119s, C-123s, and Gooneys. Origin of trips was Duluth and McChord. Think Dogpatch was Hq at Hamilton and RG. Thankful to have survived.
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Feb 9, 2012 6:54:56 GMT 9
Going from Castle to Tyndall we went DC4 the equipment went by 119 or 123 of course always a few people got selected to fly with the equipment. The old NCO Club going the stag bar door was always because of the creatures that in the garbage bin. One Morning we went to the golf course early when the dew was still on the grass and look like someone rode a bike all over the fairways. We asked the in rental shack about it he kind of laughs and those are snake tracks,no more golf. The Hugh's Tech Rep always had a car so we'd go to the Two Chief's and eat breakfast after the club closed. Had trail marking contest till the AP's caught us they didn't think it was funny,( who had the biggest bladder).
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Post by LBer1568 on Feb 9, 2012 7:49:15 GMT 9
Back in the late 60's a guy was fishing out in the lake behind Capehart housing on Tyndall AFB. He fell out of boat right into a coil of snakes. He was kiled by getting over a hundred bites. They put lake off limits until they could get a "trapper" in to rid most of the snakes out. We also had an MA-1 MSgt's wife killed when a tornado hit the same housing area. I had to go out as part of rescue party. We had to dig through about 25 homes to look for people. Lucky for me I didn't find her. The MSgt asked for a humatarian transfer and the day it was refused they found him dead as well. Took his own life. I never understood why they didn't transfer him after such a tradegy.
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Post by dude on Feb 11, 2012 10:16:10 GMT 9
I went to Tyndall twice on TDY for William Tell with the 48th FIS at Langley. Once on a C130 and once I drove down and back with a buddy. I can remember a few clubs and the Miracle Mile strip was fun. There was a club called Breakers East I think that was good. Then I got PCS'd there in 78 and stayed there until 1980. Never did "get sand in my shoes" wanting to stay there however. It was too humid for my blood and the Paper Mill stunk bad. Went to Tell '78 with the 48th, but my first TDY to Tyndal was four years before. Coming from Langley some of us were allowed to drive. I had a buddy from Apopka, so we went down inhis car a few days before and did the weekend in Orlando. Disney World had not been open that long and Space Mountain was the ride to see. So we went and spent an hour waiting in line to find out it was going to be another hour waiting in line to find out it was going to be thirty more minutes. Once we got on, we had a good ride. That night on the 6pm news we found out why the long wait. This was during the train up for the joint Apollo Soyuz mission and this was the day they took the Russians to the mouse house. They held the lines while these guys got to ride Space Mountain three times by themselves. Detente?
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Post by srinidurand on Mar 21, 2012 12:35:48 GMT 9
Interesting, I was at William Tell in 78, 48th FIS; MA1 Toad for AC 145. Tons of work, but even more fun at least. I still remember Canada Night at the NCO club, screaming hot peppers and beer all night long.
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