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Post by Mark O on Jan 30, 2012 7:30:29 GMT 9
Here's one of 57-0238 which is pictured on the back of Bert Kinzey's "Colors & Markings" book on the F-106. According to Erv's site this aircraft was assigned to ARDC (Air Research and Development Center) which was later changed to AFSC (Air Force Systems Command). This photo was taken at McClellan AFB in 1962. www.convairf-106deltadart.com/570238Page.htmlI am stumped by the markings on the tail. When I first saw it years ago it reminded me of an early version of the 119th FIS "Jersey Devil", but obviously they didn't have Sixes back then. This is the best resolution I could get of the photo, but if anyone has the book, you might be able to see it clearer. Any ideas what this was?  The entire photo from the back of the book. (Cropped to show just the aircraft. Oh, a pat on the back, and a hearty handshake to whoever names all the squadrons in this photo!)  |
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Post by MOW on Jan 30, 2012 7:35:17 GMT 9
You know, ARDC is a unit I don't have a separate page for like I do with ADWC. Should ARDC be combined with ADWC or do you think it needs its own page? I'm thinking it's own page.
Are there any patches/logos for it? This tail would indicate yes.
Does anyone have other information of this unit?
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Post by Mark O on Jan 30, 2012 7:46:47 GMT 9
You know, ARDC is a unit I don't have a separate page for like I do with ADWC. Should ARDC be combined with ADWC or do you think it needs its own page? I'm thinking it's own page. Are there any patches/logos for it? This tail would indicate yes. Does anyone have other information of this unit? Not sure on this one. By the time this photo was taken in 1962 ARDC had already become AFSC. That happened on 1 April 1961. I'm sure they worked closely with the ADWC, but if fact were seperate as ADWC fell under ADC. (Damn that's a bunch of acronyms!)  |
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Post by Mark O on Jan 30, 2012 8:00:12 GMT 9
Then you have this one-of-a-kind. At least as far as I've been able to find. 57-2490 from 1959 at Logan Fld, Boston MA while assigned to 6520th Test Group, ESD, Hanscom Fld MA from 1959 to 1961. (From "Wings of Fame, Vol. 12.")  According to wiki, ESC was originally activated as the Electronic Systems Division (ESD) on 1 April 1961 at Laurence G. Hanscom Field in Bedford, MA. ESD was placed under the newly-established Air Force Systems Command. Makes me wonder about the 1959 date now, but wiki is not the ultimate reference to anything! Here is Erv's page on 57-2490. www.convairf-106deltadart.com/572490Page.html |
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Post by pat perry on Jan 30, 2012 8:20:59 GMT 9
You know, ARDC is a unit I don't have a separate page for like I do with ADWC. Should ARDC be combined with ADWC or do you think it needs its own page? I'm thinking it's own page. Are there any patches/logos for it? This tail would indicate yes. Does anyone have other information of this unit? Not sure on this one. By the time this photo was taken in 1962 ARDC had already become AFSC. That happened on 1 April 1961. I'm sure they worked closely with the ADWC, but if fact were seperate as ADWC fell under ADC. (Damn that's a bunch of acronyms!) Looks like it has been tossed around and is now back where it started. See first link under "History". Might be worth a new page so we can start gathering F-106 data and pictures from former or present members. Pat P. |
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Jan 30, 2012 10:08:47 GMT 9
I suspect it may have been taken at McClellan. Probably all there for depot level maintenance of mods. In the lower picture is 001 from the 5th. It has the tail cone on, as do some of the others, with no engines installed. Some have also had the rudder removed. Balls One, was traditionally the CO's bird in the 5th. If you note, there are no command stripes. Jim Too  |
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Post by ma1marv on Jan 30, 2012 12:40:17 GMT 9
WEll I'm taking a stab at it! From Left to right;
95 FIS, 11th FIS, ARDC or AFSC (at the time), 325th FIS, 498th FIS, 438th FIS, 94th FIS.
I have a copy of this book and picture. The picture had to have been taken before 7-0238 crashed!
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Post by ma1marv on Jan 30, 2012 13:05:23 GMT 9
ALL RIGHT!!!
For an updated and possibly MORE correct identificaton -- from left to right;
5th FIS, 95thFIS, 94th FIS, ARDC or AFSC (Because it had to have been taken BEFORE 7-238 crashed) 329th FIS, 498th FIS, 4756th ADG, and the last one is possibly 83rd FIS.
So - shoot me! :drunk
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Post by Mark O on Jan 30, 2012 13:20:06 GMT 9
Here's how I see seven aircraft in the photo from left to right. 1. 5th FIS 2. 95th FIS 3. 94th FIS 4. AFSC (mystery insignia - someone help us out here!) 5. 73rd Air Division (one of the squadrons in the 4756th) 6. 498th FIS 7. 539th FIS I looked up the tail number for the third from the left and it has to be the 94th. I don't see the 329th at all. Where did that come from?! |
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Post by shadowgunner on Jan 30, 2012 15:30:51 GMT 9
Found the mystery insignia for #4. It is the 119FIS/177FIG "Jersey Devils" patch. 781's marking show it to be from 438FIS.
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Jan 31, 2012 9:44:36 GMT 9
781 was at Selfridge during the Sixty's so I say it was a 94th bird. It was at White Shoes during the big earthquake, one the big lite fell and damaged the wing, when it finally got back to Selfridge they damaged the nose gear, and then when taxi it fell through a manhole cover.
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Post by shadowgunner on Jan 31, 2012 10:19:42 GMT 9
781 was at Selfridge during the Sixty's so I say it was a 94th bird. It was at White Shoes during the big earthquake, one the big lite fell and damaged the wing, when it finally got back to Selfridge they damaged the nose gear, and then when taxi it fell through a manhole cover. Bear Just going by the tailflash design. Sounds like 781 had a rough life or was accident-prone  Must have been gremlins. |
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Post by Mark O on Jan 31, 2012 11:50:09 GMT 9
Found the mystery insignia for #4. It is the 119FIS/177FIG "Jersey Devils" patch. 781's marking show it to be from 438FIS. It sure looks like the 177th Fighter Interceptor Group "Jersey Devil", but what was an F-106 assigned to AF Systems Command in 1962 doing wearing those markings when the NJANG didn't even get F-106s until 1973? Eleven years later? (Much less even fall under ADC? See below.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/177th_Fighter_WingSome kind of test? A temporary assignment? All of the other markings in the photo are appropriate for the time, but the 119th was a Tactical Fighter Squadron (NOT an FIS) and of course the 177th was a TFG (NOT an FIG.) They were converting from F-84Fs to F-86Hs in 1962. (According to NJ State web site.) www.nj.gov/military/museum/177th_FW.htmlI agree (and my very first thought was the same when I first saw this photo in the early 80s) that those markings are in fact the same Jersey Devil the 177th uses to this day. However, I can't find any use of that insignia on their aircraft in 1962. I'm not saying they didn't, I'm just saying I've yet to find any photos of it. The real mystery deepens now! (P.S. I see others agree -- as do I -- that 781 was in the 94th, not the 438th at the time of the photo.) |
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Jan 31, 2012 13:09:13 GMT 9
On Pat's site go to the 94th FIS it shows 539 a 94 bird and 2 other B's firing missiles. I think a one time all the Selfridge birds had strips on the tail. Then they went to plain tails with just the 71st or 94th emblem. After thinking about it more I believe the strips were for the 1st Ftr Wg which both the 94th and 71st were assigned to.
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Post by Mark O on Feb 1, 2012 15:02:47 GMT 9
Guys, the best site to go to find when and what squadron a particular tail number was assigned to is this... www.convairf-106deltadart.com/Pick a year, and select the tail number. Erv Smalley (RIP), and Marty Isham has done the work for you. |
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Must have been gremlins.
