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Post by Mark O on Jan 1, 2006 13:40:15 GMT 9
This is absolutely the worse paint job I've ever seen on a F-106 model ever. If I was the crew chief of 58-0776 during the time it had the 318 FIS bicentennial scheme I'd freak out. Hell, I'm freaked out now! I even sent an e-mail to the seller telling him so! Just incredible to me that modelers think it's so cool to pre-shade everything they do without doing any research. Oh well... cgi.ebay.com/Pro-Built-1-48-F-106A-318th-FIS_W0QQitemZ6026163788QQcategoryZ2587QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemOh, he wants $220.00 for this model!! Mark
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Post by Durden on Jan 2, 2006 0:46:59 GMT 9
I agree Mark. I don't understand why anyone would spend all the time and effort to make the paint look so bad. i would be ashamed to call it mine. The birds in the bone yard have better looking paint.
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Post by Jim on Jan 2, 2006 1:29:17 GMT 9
LOOKS MORE LIKE A DIRTY A/C TO ME....I DON'T REMEMBER THE SO CALLED "SHADING" ON ANY OF OUR A/C IN THE 27TH FIS, BUT, THEY WERE NEW THEN IN '59...........WONDER HOW COME NO ONE HAS COME OUT WITH THE MOST INTRICATE PAINT SCHEME OF THEM ALL.....THE 27TH FIS...I FORGET WHO THE PILOT WAS THAT DESIGNED IT, BUT I DO REMEMBER SPENDIN MANY HOURS CUTTING OUT THE STENCALS FOR IT...TOOK OVER 12 HOURS FOR ME TO LAY OUT, MASK OFF AND PAINT ONE A/C, AND THAT WAS WITH ANOTHER GUY AND USING NITRO-CELULOISE LACQUER.........SHADING RUINED A FAIRLY NICE LOOKING MODEL....The Old Sarge
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Post by Tom Dlugosh on Jan 2, 2006 6:34:36 GMT 9
I quess I'm too ignorant to understand, but what is the "shading" supposed repesent? I've never seen an aircraft or a model aircraft painted like that. None of the aircraft I worked on in the 27th looked like that, even just before they went in for a complete overhaul at McClellan and supposedly in their sorriest condition.
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Post by Jim on Jan 2, 2006 7:08:48 GMT 9
I quess I'm too ignorant to understand, but what is the "shading" supposed repesent? I've never seen an aircraft or a model aircraft painted like that. None of the aircraft I worked on in the 27th looked like that, even just before they went in for a complete overhaul at McClellan and supposedly in their sorriest condition. Tom Dlugosh Tom, if that shading was on the bottom of the wings, I would say that the fuel tank access panels needed resealing........Ignorance is on the part of the model builder- Even the Shading on the RAPTOR looks like hell, and it has a valid reason for its existance.......The Old Sarge
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Post by pat perry on Jan 2, 2006 10:15:31 GMT 9
I agree that this F-106 has some pretty dark dirt streaks but I must admit as a former six painter that I have seen some that looked that grungy just before the went to depot for IRAN. It was so nice to see them come back with a brand new factory fresh paint job then I could do the tail flash and they'ed be beautiful!
I looked at the rest of this guys work and he's pretty darn good with cockpit details and the real small stuff. I can only imagine how small his equipment must be - the tiny rolls of masking tape, the six inch tall B-1 stand, etc. HaHa. Some of his Navy carrier fighter work looks just like what you see on TV these days. I guess fresh water is a premium on carriers and the chiefs don't get to wash'em down very often.
I salute anybody who can do this type of detail work especially since my hands are not that steady anymore. I can understand why he has to charge 200 bucks a pop for these (I'd have to charge more cause it would take me 5 times longer to finish).
I lucked out. My neighbor is a model builder and he built one of the new F-106 models for me and painted it with the 66-68 tail flash we used in the 456th rather than the decal in the kit which was the earlier version used in 60-65.
Wishing all you guys a Happy New Year and hoping my pal the Old Sarge is doing well and still building those magnificent clocks - now there's a real craftsman!
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Post by Cougar on Jan 2, 2006 21:49:20 GMT 9
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Post by ma1marv on Jan 2, 2006 23:55:03 GMT 9
Well GOOD MORNING!!! YA'LL!!!!!!! Hows the Sunshine in the far off land of the morning calm?? Happy New year, PAt!!! HAd to get up today and start out with a little participation in this "On Line" Maybe we need to have a simple way of I.M.'ing everyone! I just read the reviews of the F-106 model and had to go take a look for myself. I have to agree that I cannot recall even the dirtiest of birds going off to IRAN looking like that! I do like the detail inside the cockpit! What a steady hand someone has! Hope we can pull this off!!! I'm on line and I'll be sending a few e-mails to others that need to be on as well! Hope everyone had a great New Years and will have many more to come! A few beeers to you all! YA'LL!!! :yellowbeer: :yellowbeer: MArv
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Post by Jim on Jan 3, 2006 11:11:16 GMT 9
SCROLL TO BOTTOM VIEW OF NOSE GEAR- SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THAT GEAR DOOR- I'VE BEEN BACK TO THAT PIC TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS The Old Sarge
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Post by Jon Van Skiver on Jan 7, 2006 13:05:00 GMT 9
The idea of weathering a model is to make it look "realistic"; as it would look in service rather than fresh from the factory. The whole concept originated in the UK when giant scale models were used in portions of the movie " Battle of Britain". Dave Platt was one of the modelers and he moved to the US. He built an SBD Dauntless that was weathered and he got a perfect static score at that years NATS (forgot the year, but it was quite a while ago). Up to that time, scale models were always painted to high gloss, many coats of hand rubbed lacquer, in fact the glossier the higher score. When Platt brought out his Dauntless it revolutionized the finish on scale models by finishing the model to show the wear and tear that eventually takes it's toll on the finish of a real airplane. Factory fresh was out! What this guy didn't do, and it's the most important aspect of scale modeling, is RESEARCH. First, I've never seen a SIX with a flat finish, they're glossy. If he would've taken the time to get the FS number, and check it, he would've found the number identified the paint a glossy. Second, I've never seen any that were as shabby as this thing, especially a Bicentennial bird. The airbrush work was way overdone: the shading of panels is supposed to represent dirt and grime that gets in the panel joints, and to break up the finish by subtly highlighting various panels and joints, which this guy obviously did not do; the result is the whole effort was a waste of time. When you weather a model, less is always more. Oh well, someone bought it for over $200, which just proves WC Fields was right: "Never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump". Happy New Year everyone. BRG, Jon
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Post by numbnuts (deceased) on Jan 7, 2006 23:20:24 GMT 9
SCROLL TO BOTTOM VIEW OF NOSE GEAR- SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THAT GEAR DOOR- I'VE BEEN BACK TO THAT PIC TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS The Old Sarge
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Post by numbnuts (deceased) on Jan 7, 2006 23:23:37 GMT 9
Old Sarge, Ref: nose gear door. The shape of the door leading edge is wrong. The real door was flat across the leading edge with rounded corners. The door would also be raised a little higher, but the artisit may have lowered it some to show the writing on the door.
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Post by Jim on Jan 8, 2006 10:51:56 GMT 9
BTW, NUMBNUTS IS OUR RESIDENT CONVAIR TECH REP. Jim, the other part of that ng door is that based on the scale of that model, the door would have been approx 6" thick .. The shading on the left elevon would indicate a severe delam from the honeycomb,and/or an unauthorized repair by reskinning almost 50% of the upper surface...., JON is right, even 003 at Pima, in areas not affected by the Arizona sun, are still glossy after all these years....Yes the guy spent a lot of time on it- however,accuracy in it self is realism.......And, if the guy that bought it enjoys it, he is going to over look the flaws......The modeler needs to remember there are still too many of us old and not so old SIXERS around to be pulling the wool over our eyes TO US... The Old Sarge
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Post by Mark O on Jan 8, 2006 12:45:30 GMT 9
As a modeler I have to admit I'm not that good. I am into accuracy though and would never paint a model in a scheme I know didn't exist. I also visit aircraft museums regularly and photograph preserved aircraft for a myself and for a friend who posts them on his website. The thing that gets me about some of those displays is when the curators/restorers paint a specific tail number into something it wasn't. I'm not talking about aircraft on display like those Sixes at Castle and Great Falls - the tail number may not be accurate but the paint job is. I've seen many displays that have been bastardized just because the restorers liked it. I feel the same way about plastic. Modelers like to build their kits the way they like them and I suppose I can't do anything to change that but it doesn't mean I like it!
Mark
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2006 15:13:31 GMT 9
I just got a 1:48 scale F-106 by Revell, I'll make sure I give it a better paint job, I might try dura-coat through an airbrush and see how that comes out, after testing it on junk plastic of course. I use dura-coat to paint firearms, this stuff works great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2007 14:52:21 GMT 9
This is absolutely the worse paint job I've ever seen on a F-106 model ever. If I was the crew chief of 58-0776 during the time it had the 318 FIS bicentennial scheme I'd freak out. Hell, I'm freaked out now! I even sent an e-mail to the seller telling him so! Just incredible to me that modelers think it's so cool to pre-shade everything they do without doing any research. Oh well... cgi.ebay.com/Pro-Built-1-48-F-106A-318th-FIS_W0QQitemZ6026163788QQcategoryZ2587QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemOh, he wants $220.00 for this model!! Mark I'm so bummed I went to look at it and eBay said it's no longer valid. Probably a good thing after reading what everyone that saw it wrote.
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