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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Jan 3, 2011 23:55:15 GMT 9
The first two are about what appears to be a ChiCom stealth fighter or fighter bomber.
The third is about our SecDef's statements concerning the ChiCom capability to build a stealth, and why he dumped the F-22.
Jim Too
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China Joins the Stealth Club: China is conducting high-speed taxi tests with what appears to be a stealth aircraft dubbed the J-20. Photos taken from the fence line at the Chengdu aircraft plant in Sichuan province were allowed to circulate last week by China's internet authority, meaning the Chinese want the world to know about it. The disclosure may have something to do with Defense Secretary Robert Gates' upcoming China visit, set for Jan. 9-12. The aircraft is reminiscent of US stealth designs, resembling the nose of the F-22 and the inlets of the F-35. However, it also features canards and an empennage suggesting the abandoned Russian MiG I-42 fighter project, purportedly a stealth concept. The aircraft seems optimized for front-quarter low observability, as the tailcones are standard round exhausts; however, it's not clear whether they are thrust-vectoring. It's also impossible to tell what materials the Chinese may be using in the airframe, or what kind of radar might be under the nose, and wing-shaping details will have to wait on more photos. The aircraft seems not to be a concept demonstrator like the Russian S-37 Berkut, but a more mature and integrated design. The US Air Force had no comment on the new airplane, and referred queries to the State Department, a spokesman for which said, "I have nothing for you on that."
Maybe Not a Fighter: The newly revealed Chinese J-20 might not be China's answer to the F-22 or F-35. With an apparent length of more than 70 feet, the Chinese have apparently designed the aircraft for stealth, speed, and range, with a healthy internal fuel and weapons payload. They may intend it to serve more along the lines of the stillborn FB-22 or RS-23 projects—US stealth fighter designs adapted to the long-range interdiction and strike roles—or, put another way, a kind of low-observable F-111. If so, this aircraft would nicely fill a now-empty niche in China's strike portfolio and exactly conform to China's strategy of blunting US forces at long range from mainland China. Aviation experts say the Shenyang design bureau in Liaoning province is working on its own stealth project, possibly designated J-12 or J-13, which might be more of a true air superiority fighter than Chengdu's J-20.
China Didn't Get the Memo: The appearance of what is being called the J-20—China's new stealthy looking aircraft—seemingly beats predictions by Defense Secretary Robert Gates as to when China would join the stealth club. Justifying his decision to halt F-22 Raptor production at 187 airframes—less than half the Air Force's stated need—Gates said in June 2009 that, in 2020, the United States would have "roughly 1,200" stealth combat aircraft while "the Chinese will have zero." Gates went on to say that five years later, in 2025, China would have "a few hundred" stealth aircraft, while the US would have 1,700. Just two months earlier, in April 2009, Gates reported seeing intelligence that Russia would achieve initial operating capability with a fifth generation fighter in 2016, while China would lag by four more years. A Gates spokesmen did not provide a comment by press time. The most recent official US multi-agency report on Chinese military capabilities, the annual report to Congress issued in August, was utterly silent on the subject of a stealth capability for China, speaking only in broad terms about how China is pursuing "anti access" and "area denial" capabilities.
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Post by Jim on Jan 4, 2011 1:15:18 GMT 9
The first two are about what appears to be a ChiCom stealth fighter or fighter bomber. The third is about our SecDef's statements concerning the ChiCom capability to build a stealth, and why he dumped the F-22. Jim Too China Didn't Get the Memo: The appearance of what is being called the J-20—China's new stealthy looking aircraft—seemingly beats predictions by Defense Secretary Robert Gates as to when China would join the stealth club. Justifying his decision to halt F-22 Raptor production at 187 airframes—less than half the Air Force's stated need—Gates said in June 2009 that, in 2020, the United States would have "roughly 1,200" stealth combat aircraft while "the Chinese will have zero." Gates went on to say that five years later, in 2025, China would have "a few hundred" stealth aircraft, while the US would have 1,700. Just two months earlier, in April 2009, Gates reported seeing intelligence that Russia would achieve initial operating capability with a fifth generation fighter in 2016, while China would lag by four more years. A Gates spokesmen did not provide a comment by press time. The most recent official US multi-agency report on Chinese military capabilities, the annual report to Congress issued in August, was utterly silent on the subject of a stealth capability for China, speaking only in broad terms about how China is pursuing "anti access" and "area denial" capabilities. Gates is nothing more than a piss poor clone of Robert MacNamarra who tried to run the AF as if it were Ford Motor Co... A lot of the crap the AF is still living with had its birth under the same rock that Mac came out from under................. Can't figure our whether Mac was ignorant and Gates is stupid, or, maybe it is the other way around........ Either way neither was/is good for the military............... The Old Sarge
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Jan 7, 2011 7:11:31 GMT 9
Military intelligence is definitely an oxymoron. Jim Too ----------------------------------------------------- Air Force Association Daily Report eNewsletter Thursday January 06, 2011 Underestimating China: The sudden appearance of a Chinese stealth airplane making high-speed taxi tests in the last couple of weeks was "not a surprise" to US intelligence, Vice Adm. David Dorsett, director of naval intelligence, said Wednesday. Previous Pentagon estimates about China's progress toward stealth aircraft indicated it would be five to 10 years before such a prototype appeared, and Dorsett, speaking with defense reporters in Washington, D.C., did not directly address that disconnect. However, he acknowledged that "we have been pretty consistent in underestimating the delivery and [initial operational capability date] of Chinese technology weapon systems." New Chinese weapons tend to go from prototype to operational service "quicker than we frequently project," said Dorsett, adding that "we need to refine our assessments." He said the taxi tests of the J-20 represent "the front end of a capability that they're rolling out," and that US intelligence will be "focused on" the aircraft's implications. Despite his admissions about underrating China's speed of weapons development, he guesstimated that a mature Chinese stealth aircraft integrated with the rest of its military is "years off." Carrier Killer: China has an operational carrier-killer ballistic missile much sooner than expected, said Navy intelligence chief Vice Adm. David Dorsett Wednesday. "I am concerned about the DF-21B ballistic missile," Dorsett told defense reporters in Washington, D.C. The missile, if fired in salvos of "several" at a time, could find and destroy a "maneuvering target" at long range, he said. He's not worried about it yet, for while the missile has been tested over land "a sufficient number of times" to prove it works, and has been fielded, it has never been demonstrated—"to our knowledge"—operationally over water, using real-world naval sensors and targets, he explained. Whether it could really sink a US aircraft carrier, "we don't know, and frankly, I'm guessing they don't know," said Dorsett. He admitted that, a year ago, the Navy believed "no one had a maneuvering capability" in a ballistic missile. That assessment has now changed, he said.
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Post by pat perry on Jan 8, 2011 5:51:48 GMT 9
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Post by Bullhunter on Jan 8, 2011 6:40:48 GMT 9
I don't know about this. I remember how worried NATO & the USA was over that new Soviet Mig years ago. That was until that Lt. Belanko defected to Japan in one. Turned out to be nothing to worry about.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Jan 8, 2011 7:26:08 GMT 9
Bullhunter, you may be right about the ChiCom fighter.
However, they have been doing a lot of building to modernize their military.
In my thinking, the only purpose is to dominate, not blow smoke.
The potential threat to China from India, also doing a lot of modernizing, is getting greater, and the ChiComs are already spooky about their enemies, real and perceived. They are not always on the best terms with Russia, and feel Taiwan is a real threat to their Pacific Coast cities and military installations.
How soon will this bird fly in squadron forces?
I have no idea, but I think sooner than SecDef wants us to believe.
China, along with India have made some pretty bold moves with their naval equipment, surface and submarine.
So, don't be surprised when anything happens from that part of our planet.
Jim Too
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Post by Jim on Jan 8, 2011 9:30:43 GMT 9
I don't know about this. I remember how worried NATO & the USA was over that new Soviet Mig years ago. That was until that Lt. Belanko defected to Japan in one. Turned out to be nothing to worry about. MacNamarra, I mean Gates and obama and the Clowns in the 5 sided puzzle palace not worried? NOW I am SCARED SHITLESS ;D ;D ;D..... Just like the recent contrails? The Old Sarge
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Post by akdrtfan on Feb 13, 2011 6:52:00 GMT 9
Sarge, what contrails are you referring to? Right on about the idiots in the White House. God help us!
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Post by Jim on Feb 13, 2011 9:40:39 GMT 9
Sarge, what contrails are you referring to? Right on about the idiots in the White House. God help us! the ones spotted off the coast of Ca and rose vertically from the Pacific Ocean - photographed from a newspaper helicopter... Took Defense dept better part of 2 days to deny the photos........... www.wnd.com/?pageId=230425
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