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Post by Gene on Jun 27, 2010 13:12:15 GMT 9
i couldn't find the thread i started on the t bird in the lakewood backyard. i just visited the place and got a close look at the bird... i noticed a pair of ' 50's in the nose....is that normal for that mod.??
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Post by jimpadgett on Jun 27, 2010 19:56:24 GMT 9
General Talk: T-33
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Jun 27, 2010 22:35:37 GMT 9
With very rare exception, the guns were not installed in the T-Bird.
I think there were some that had them mounted for testing, but not for general use.
There were weights in the gun positions to maintain weight and balance.
The gun ports were covered with riveted sheet metal plates.
In the years I was around T-Birds, 1953 to 1972, I never saw one with the guns mounted.
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Post by Jim on Jun 28, 2010 0:35:37 GMT 9
With very rare exception, the guns were not installed in the T-Bird. I think there were some that had them mounted for testing, but not for general use. There were weights in the gun positions to maintain weight and balance. The gun ports were covered with riveted sheet metal plates. In the years I was around T-Birds, 1953 to 1972, I never saw one with the guns mounted. Jim Too  There were over 500 AT-33s with guns in the nose and rocket pods on the wings........... ROKAF at Suwon AB, Korea had 4 of them when I was there '70-71.......... The Old Sarge |
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Post by Jim on Jun 28, 2010 1:50:04 GMT 9
i couldn't find the thread i started on the t bird in the lakewood backyard. i just visited the place and got a close look at the bird... i noticed a pair of ' 50's in the nose....is that normal for that mod.??  Like Padgett says, General a/c---- Thread T-33 Tail - What unit? I tried searching up to 550 of your posts and my computer would lock up......... Also tried the website search engine and couldn't make it work, not even after I entered the thread title.......................... The Old Sarge |
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Post by Gene on Jun 28, 2010 2:51:45 GMT 9
its the thread i started and duy went and did a very excellent investigation with pics....also some very hot baristas...the question was , What unit???
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Post by Bullhunter on Jun 28, 2010 4:58:50 GMT 9
The McChord Air Show is July 17-18th.
Its my understanding that a T-33 will be perfoming.
Should be nice to see after all these years.
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Post by Jim on Jun 28, 2010 5:45:05 GMT 9
its the thread i started and duy went and did a very excellent investigation with pics....also some very hot baristas...the question was , What unit??? duy said, as far as he is concerned, it would be the 317th........... However I don't find the T-33 listed among 317th a/c, BUT virtually every sqdn that had jets of any sort, had at least one..................... 317th bases and a/c Rimini, Italy, c. March 5, 1945 Mondolfo, Italy, c. April 3, 1945 Vincenzo Airfield, Italy, July – October 9, 1945 Camp Kilmer, New Jersey, October 26–28, 1945 McChord Field, Washington, August 25, 1947 Hamilton Field, California, November 24, 1947 Moses Lake AFB, Washington, November 26, 1948 McChord AFB, Washington, April 23, 1950 Elmendorf AFB, Alaska, August 15, 1957 – December 31, 1969 [edit] Aircraft Curtiss P-40, 1942–1943 P-47 Thunderbolt, 1943–1944 P-51 Mustang, 1944–1945 P-61 Black Widow, 1947–1948 F-82 Twin Mustang, 1948–1951 F-94 Starfire, 1950–1953 F-86 Sabre, 1953–1956 F-102 Delta Dagger, 1956–1969 question............................ How did it arrive there in his back yard?  ? |
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Post by Gene on Jun 28, 2010 7:25:37 GMT 9
He acquired the T33 52-9636 in the backyard as I mentioned in earlier post from McChord AFB 317th FIS. He got it in 1989, and had it trucked in pieces to his backyard where he reassembled it. It is a two-seater, and there still is an ejection seat by his side door entrance to the home area of the Museum. He has 6 ejection seats. There were no pylons or hard points under the wings; there is no engine; and he crafted the Browning M2 50 cal machine gun barrels out of PCV pipe! (RATS!) As you will see from my new photographs, the tail section of 636 is firmly attached--I checked. He had one photograph of 636 at McChord--B&W with two other T33's in it as well. He repainted the tail insighia on the tail himself, but had no idea of the TRUE colors, so the color scheme is his, but I can testify to the "design" accuracy of the tail insignia from the photograph. From the 317th FIS F-102A on display at McChord, although different in design, the insignia is all RED, so I suspect the original design was ALL RED! Check McChord AFB Museum website to view the F102 at www.mcchordairmuseum.org In the original photograph of 636, underneath the US AIRFORCE on the nose in larger letters is: TR 636. He has the tip tanks but removed them because he kept running into them when mowing the lawn, wrecking his lawnmower! The tanks are in one of my photographs. 636 could use about 4 crewchiefs to try and remove all the Washington mold off the airframe. Remember this, if he didn't save this aircraft, it probably would not exist at all today this is an excerpt from duys most excellent report.. which answers the question about the guns....  |
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Jun 28, 2010 8:16:32 GMT 9
In all the years I was around the T-Bird, I never saw an AT-33.
Did some looking and it appears that most of them were sold, or given, to foreign nations. They used them as fighter/bombers, as well as jet training.
The AT had the same Browning .50 machine guns the F-80 had, but only two. The belts carried 350 rounds each. Not too bad, provided the pilot knew how to aim the plane, and the guns were properly bore sighted.
They also had hard points for rockets and bombs.
Couldn't find any listed as being at any U.S. museums.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Sept 25, 2014 4:11:33 GMT 9
Been a while since anything has been said about the T-Bird in the back yard in the Seattle area.
Gene, Snake, or others up that way; has there been any more looking at the T-Bird?
Curious?
Jim Too
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Post by Diamondback on Sept 26, 2014 5:24:22 GMT 9
Still there, but haven't been able to stop by--mainly when in the neighborhood I'm dealing with relatives for whom "it doesn't matter what I'm requesting or why, The Answer Is Always NO."
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Post by jimpadgett on Sept 29, 2014 10:06:27 GMT 9
And.......what about the waitresses?
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Post by Diamondback on Oct 2, 2014 13:12:39 GMT 9
Uh, Jim P., I think you're gonna have to clarify that one... |
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Post by Jim on Feb 18, 2016 5:18:38 GMT 9
He acquired the T33 52-9636 in the backyard as I mentioned in earlier post from McChord AFB 317th FIS. He got it in 1989, and had it trucked in pieces to his backyard where he reassembled it. It is a two-seater, and there still is an ejection seat by his side door entrance to the home area of the Museum. He has 6 ejection seats. There were no pylons or hard points under the wings; there is no engine; and he crafted the Browning M2 50 cal machine gun barrels out of PCV pipe! (RATS!) As you will see from my new photographs, the tail section of 636 is firmly attached--I checked. He had one photograph of 636 at McChord--B&W with two other T33's in it as well. He repainted the tail insighia on the tail himself, but had no idea of the TRUE colors, so the color scheme is his, but I can testify to the "design" accuracy of the tail insignia from the photograph. From the 317th FIS F-102A on display at McChord, although different in design, the insignia is all RED, so I suspect the original design was ALL RED! Check McChord AFB Museum website to view the F102 at www.mcchordairmuseum.org In the original photograph of 636, underneath the US AIRFORCE on the nose in larger letters is: TR 636. He has the tip tanks but removed them because he kept running into them when mowing the lawn, wrecking his lawnmower! The tanks are in one of my photographs. 636 could use about 4 crewchiefs to try and remove all the Washington mold off the airframe. Remember this, if he didn't save this aircraft, it probably would not exist at all today this is an excerpt from duys most excellent report.. which answers the question about the guns.... Interesting read...... Still there? ?? |
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Post by Gene on Feb 18, 2016 5:25:18 GMT 9
yes it is...drive by it daily... the guys got an ejection seat by his front door.... museum is open Saturdays noon til 5:00pm. the bird has wooden " machine guns" sticking out of its nose...
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Post by pat perry on May 14, 2016 6:29:42 GMT 9
Uh, Jim P., I think you're gonna have to clarify that one... This is Diamondback's last post. Has anyone heard from him or know where he is?
Just wondering.
Pat P.
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Post by oswald on May 15, 2016 1:49:54 GMT 9
The last T-33 I saw was at an airshow about 15 years ago. This particular one didn't have the J-33 engine, rather a Rolls-Royce was in it which was faster responding, I think.
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Post by Gene on May 15, 2016 1:55:59 GMT 9
The last T-33 I saw was at an airshow about 15 years ago. This particular one didn't have the J-33 engine, rather a Rolls-Royce was in it which was faster responding, I think. read a few pages of his quotes... i think he mentioned he was in his 80's... maybe hes on that big flightline in the sky.. p.s. i picked the wrong statement to quote... |
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Post by Gene on May 15, 2016 7:56:39 GMT 9
was just at the T 33 in the backyard... met the man that owns it and a very interesting museum on just about anything air force (not just ours) related.. flightsuits, helmets, nose-hoses, a/c parts, ect.
this guy was on the team that recovered the B 17 in the swamps in new guinea... thats not his only T 33 either . hes got a large building out back with enough to start his own flying-circus...
hes been all over the world... saw a cartoush from Ramses tomb.
he needs a bigger building... way bigger...
spend 2 hours and still there more to see...
his dad was the training officer / CC for T 33s at Mcchord way before the Dart or the 318th was there...
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