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Post by cc790 on Feb 25, 2010 2:57:17 GMT 9
It was mid to late November 1989. I was a newlywed on leave before PCSing to Okinawa from Holloman AFB, NM. My bride of 6 weeks, was a crew chief stationed at Hill AFB, UT. We really didn’t talk airplanes much. Mostly because we couldn’t agree. She loved the F-16 and I was a diehard Eagle Keeper. She had crewed the Eagle before and in her mind was able to make an educated decision. Her decision was, the F-15 sucks! I strongly disagreed but, what do you do? She was my new wife. I wasn’t about to go to war over this issue. That came many years later, different story though. About a week prior to my arrival at Hill, her squadron had a real world deployment. Her aircraft runway aborted for a leading edge flap actuator malfunction. The number 3 actuator locked up and tweaked the flap and leading edge of the wing. I was invited out to help repair the damage. Depot had all ready repaired the structural damage and was in the process of installing the actuators again. They were all on break and I decided to look over the plane. I was on top checking things out when my wife started yelling at me for not wearing booties. I’d seen booties before. I bet I’d worn them before, but not at Holloman. I chuckled and smiled at her thinking she’s being “cute” and she yells at me again. Now I know she’s serious. I don’t quite understand because I’m wearing Reeboks for Christ sakes but… I climb down and she tells me if I’m not going to behave go sit in the chair by the door. I comply, thinking to myself “what a wimpy airplane. You can’t even walk on it with tennis shoes on”. Some time goes by and I get bored again. I mosey over to the front of the wing and see she’s trying to install the actuator. I lend a hand and we’re making progress. We were having trouble installing the shims. It was just a very tight fit. I look around and find a ball peen hammer. I get the actuator in place and give it a couple of gentle taps. She started to freak out on me! “Where did you get that hammer? You can’t hit that like that”. Now I’m really perplexed. I wasn’t that shabby of a mechanic. I crewed the squadron commander’s jet and was a QA inspector. I thought I had a clue. I was promptly sent back to my chair by the door. At this point my attitude about the 16 was turning sour. What use is there for a plane you can’t walk on or hit with a hammer? After my feelings were “unhurt” I decided I’ll go look in the cockpit. Can’t hurt anything there, right? Wrong! I’m standing on the ladder looking at the layout. It’s interesting, so I ask if I can sit in it. Don’t want to damage this “delicate” machine they call the F-16 so I get permission. I’m granted her highness’ permission and start to climb in. All hell broke loose again. I’m thinking “what’d I do this time”, the seats de-armed, pins are in place etc. Come to find out, I was standing on the seat pan! I had no idea that that was strictly verboten! The F-15 has the ACES II seat as well and we could stand, jump, and dance on it if you’re so inclined. Now I really am getting tired of this, how should I put it, “overly delicate aerospace delivery vehicle”. I climbed down again. I was than informed that you can’t stand on the seat pan because of the inclination of the seat. I remember thinking, “yeah, whatever”. At that point I was sent to get lunch for everybody. While I was gone, I made up my mind about the F-16 Fighting Flacon. It’s too delicate for me. I worked 106’s and F-15’s, real airplanes. You could stand on them, without slippers. You could sit in them, without pulling a muscle trying to get your legs in, and you could use whatever means necessary to fix them! : I returned with lunch and we all ate. We swapped “war” stories until it was time to go back to work. The Chief came out and introduced himself to me. We talked a bit and he asked if I was going to stick around and help rig the flaps. I’d previously scanned the procedure in the T.O. I have to admit, it threw me for a loop. I had no idea what “asymmetric” rigging was. I didn’t even know what the word meant at the time! I explained this to the chief. He laughed and promptly told me that the F-15 has flaps. I explained that Eagle flaps were simple. They were up, no light. In transit, amber light, or down, green light. We concurred that it was best to let the depot guys do the rigging. I do have to admit, it was fun learning something new. I got bored again while the depot guys were on break so…I got a set of booties out of the tool box, to cover my “destructive” Reeboks, and climbed up on the backbone. My lovely wife asked me what I was looking for. I told her I was looking for the hooks. She rolled her eyes, the first of many eye rolls to come I might add, and told me the hook was on the bottom. I told her I wasn’t looking for the tail hook; I was looking for the hooks that mount this thing to my F-15 so we could drop it! That’s all it took, “get off my #@%* plane”. I was promptly escorted out of the hanger, to my Jeep, and sent home. I’ve never touched a “Lawn Dart” since.
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Post by Jeff Shannon on Feb 25, 2010 4:04:21 GMT 9
I too didn't really like the F-16 at first, it took a looooong while for it to grow on me. I worked the F-4, F-106, T-33 and the B-52 before I worked the F-16. we use to climb all over the F-4 and F-106 to work on them and didn't need booties. I remember straddling the F-106 behind the canopy opening up the access panel because the canopy actuator gave out during a tow job and the brake rider was stuck. I know I didn't wear booties for that job. The F-4 was the same story, the F-16 well sometimes I was surprised we didn't have to wear gloves. The F-4 and F-106 you were able to pull the seat with out pulling the canopy, not the F-16 you had to pull the canopy to get the seat out. You could stand on the F-16 seat pan, it is the same seat as the F-15, the only difference is on the F-16 there is a "D" ring in the center of the seat, the F-15 has handles on each side of the seat. they are both ACES II. As egress we use to stand on the seat pan all the time to work on any thing behind the seat or on the canopy actuator. I helped out on the flap actuator myself when we were at Shaw AFB from Misawa to get our jets, I became very proficient at changing them. Everyone of the jets 8 we were getting had bad ones from a urgent action TCTO which came down as we were getting ready to leave to go back to Misawa. I was egress but all my work was done so I jumped in to help change them out, We got an extra 2 weeks at Shaw because of it. I did grow to like the F-16, after I left Griffiss I went to Luke and worked F-4's again before they got the F-16's, I was stuck on the F-16 for the rest of my career, I tried may times to get back to Griffiss to work the F-106 again, but TAC had me and wouldn't let me go.
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Post by Jim on Feb 25, 2010 4:14:53 GMT 9
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Post by cc790 on Feb 25, 2010 5:13:22 GMT 9
Tall Tales III?? Someday I'll tell you my one and only F-4 experience.
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Post by Bullhunter on Feb 25, 2010 6:55:15 GMT 9
cc790,,That is a funny story. and very well told.
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Post by cc790 on Feb 25, 2010 7:42:12 GMT 9
I found this pic to back up the "hooks" on top of the 16. If you look close, station 5 and 9 have F-16's mounted. The 58-0787 non-believer will probably believe this!
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Post by Jeff Shannon on Feb 25, 2010 9:37:14 GMT 9
I found this pic to back up the "hooks" on top of the 16. If you look close, station 5 and 9 have F-16's mounted. The 58-0787 non-believer will probably believe this! Too Good!!!!!
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Post by dude on Feb 25, 2010 10:35:15 GMT 9
Great story. As a Hughes rep once told me when we were talking about the difference between the F-15 (Hughes) and F-16 (Westinghouse) radars, "I don't care what you say, you can't find a bear in the woods with a penlight."
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Post by lugnuts55 on Feb 25, 2010 21:40:45 GMT 9
cc790, I enjoyed your story about the Falcon and you. I thought it was well-written and was also wondering where you were for the Tall Tales contest. I have never worked on either of those airplanes but I was amused. I would like to hear about you and the F-4, though.
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Post by Jeff Shannon on Feb 26, 2010 22:24:49 GMT 9
cc790, I enjoyed your story about the Falcon and you. I thought it was well-written and was also wondering where you were for the Tall Tales contest. I have never worked on either of those airplanes but I was amused. I would like to hear about you and the F-4, though. I agree I too would like to hear about you and the F-4!!
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Post by dude on Feb 27, 2010 3:32:53 GMT 9
What model of the F-4 did you guys work?
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Post by Jeff Shannon on Feb 27, 2010 4:37:29 GMT 9
I worked C/D models with an occasional E model.
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Post by dude on Feb 27, 2010 5:25:30 GMT 9
As a contractor I got involved with the avionics on the C/D/E/G. Spent mostly at Seymour and George. Most C/D work was at Hill in their I-level mockup. Also the RFs at Bergstrom and Reno.
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Post by lugnuts55 on Feb 27, 2010 11:29:36 GMT 9
dude, I worked on the E model at Korat Thailand and D's at RAF Woodbridge, UK
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Post by MOW on Feb 27, 2010 12:34:21 GMT 9
I left the F-106 in 1984 when the 318th converted to the F-15. I was at our 318th Det 1 at Castle at the time. Randy Adams, an ex 84th FIS sixer, and I were on duty during the F-15 [rat bastards] fly-in from McChord and the official change-over as the last 2 F-106 Alert Crew Chiefs at Castle. Didn’t seem like such a big deal at the time, but hind sight… The fact the F-15 [rat bastards] world didn't take or want us sixer’s, or even give us the opportunity to join the ranks pissed me off from the get-go. Besides, when the F-15 [rat bastards] DID get to the alert barns I thought “look at this big a$$ thing sitting here in MY alert stall, what a POS I don’t want to work on that anyway [rat bastards]”. Now, before this day even happened we had all chosen our new assignments… I mean received them. When the reassignment team came to Castle to talk with us we were informed we could list any 3 bases we wanted to go to and would be guaranteed one of them. Well, that didn’t work out so well since we all picked some pretty choice places (go figure) so they came back and informed us they would instead provide us 5 choices to choose from. We could rank them and they would guarantee us our choice in order unless it was absolutely not possible. As you can imagine, of the 5 provided there were some crappy places and/or old planes to work on, I mean after all, this decision would be what placed me on my next MDS for the future so ‘picking a winner’ was important for the rest of my career. I immediately eliminated Cannon, Holloman and Turkey leaving Nellis and Hill. Ummmmm, which one to pick #1? I loved Nellis, always did and was excited about that one, BUT keeping the MDS thing in mind it would be my bad luck to get stuck on the A-7 or F-4’s. Hill AFB on the other hand was guaranteed F-16’s, since they had converted from F-4’s as the first F-16 base only 3 years earlier. So, I put Hill as #1, Nellis #2 and Holloman as #3 praying it didn’t come to that. WINNER! 388th EMS, Hill AFB, 34th TFS Phase Docks. Became Dock Chief of the 34th within the first year. This is in 1984 when the docks belonged to EMS, but it was ok I love maintenance and docks is all maintenance, so a good choice to get. So, I turned into a Fighting Falcon working on aircraft just arriving from the factory with 3.6 flying hours on it… holly crap, 3 flying hours! At this time [1984] we didn’t use booties, did use hammers, did stand on the seat pans. We [Hill’s Phase Docks] were also the biggest source of aircraft issues and suggestions that led to TCTO’s and other changes to the F-16. Needless to say, I learned to like the aircraft, still do. So, what’s the purpose of this story? To tell you all of how I got into the F-16 world? Nope. To let you all know I am a big fan of the F-16? Nope. How the base selection process worked out for me in my post F-106 life? Nope. To let you know I do know of the F-15’s [rat bastards] fantastic capabilities and successes? Nope. Simply this: those rat bastards missed out on getting a damn fine mechanic [rat bastards]!
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Post by cc790 on Feb 27, 2010 21:06:43 GMT 9
And so it begins... Why is it every "Viper" person I've ever met is overly sensitive about that damn little plane?
We better restrict our conversations to the Dart. Delta Dart, not lawn dart. Sorry, cheap shot.
I know what you went through during the conversion. We had to take care of our sixes but than go help the Eagle guys when we were done. They never had to reciprocate.
But as time went by I grew to love the plane.
By the way, every word of that story is true. The Fujins were kinda by the book.
One parting shot, always remember, It takes a real man to handle a spit tail!
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Post by Jim on Feb 28, 2010 3:46:24 GMT 9
I left the F-106 in 1984 when the 318th converted to the F-15. I was at our 318th Det 1 at Castle at the time. Randy Adams, an ex 84th FIS sixer, and I were on duty during the F-15 [rat bastards] fly-in from McChord and the official change-over as the last 2 F-106 Alert Crew Chiefs at Castle. Didn’t seem like such a big deal at the time, but hind sight… The fact the F-15 [rat bastards] world didn't take or want us sixer’s, or even give us the opportunity to join the ranks pissed me off from the get-go. Besides, when the F-15 [rat bastards] DID get to the alert barns I thought “look at this big a$$ thing sitting here in MY alert stall, what a POS I don’t want to work on that anyway [rat bastards]”. Now, before this day even happened we had all chosen our new assignments… I mean received them. When the reassignment team came to Castle to talk with us we were informed we could list any 3 bases we wanted to go to and would be guaranteed one of them. Well, that didn’t work out so well since we all picked some pretty choice places (go figure) so they came back and informed us they would instead provide us 5 choices to choose from. We could rank them and they would guarantee us our choice in order unless it was absolutely not possible. As you can imagine, of the 5 provided there were some crappy places and/or old planes to work on, I mean after all, this decision would be what placed me on my next MDS for the future so ‘picking a winner’ was important for the rest of my career. I immediately eliminated Cannon, Holloman and Turkey leaving Nellis and Hill. Ummmmm, which one to pick #1? I loved Nellis, always did and was excited about that one, BUT keeping the MDS thing in mind it would be my bad luck to get stuck on the A-7 or F-4’s. Hill AFB on the other hand was guaranteed F-16’s, since they had converted from F-4’s as the first F-16 base only 3 years earlier. So, I put Hill as #1, Nellis #2 and Holloman as #3 praying it didn’t come to that. WINNER! 388th EMS, Hill AFB, 34th TFS Phase Docks. Became Dock Chief of the 34th within the first year. This is in 1984 when the docks belonged to EMS, but it was ok I love maintenance and docks is all maintenance, so a good choice to get. So, I turned into a Fighting Falcon working on aircraft just arriving from the factory with 3.6 flying hours on it… holly crap, 3 flying hours! At this time [1984] we didn’t use booties, did use hammers, did stand on the seat pans. We [Hill’s Phase Docks] were also the biggest source of aircraft issues and suggestions that led to TCTO’s and other changes to the F-16. Needless to say, I learned to like the aircraft, still do. So, what’s the purpose of this story? To tell you all of how I got into the F-16 world? Nope. To let you all know I am a big fan of the F-16? Nope. How the base selection process worked out for me in my post F-106 life? Nope. To let you know I do know of the F-15’s [rat bastards] fantastic capabilities and successes? Nope. Simply this: those rat bastards missed out on getting a damn fine mechanic [rat bastards]! NOW THIS IS A STORY TO BRING TEARS TO A STATUE---------- BASE OF CHOICE WOW..... Use to be FTCOG............. Good story ya big Mick.............. The Old Sarge
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