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Post by pat perry on Nov 25, 2009 8:57:26 GMT 9
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Post by Bullhunter on Nov 25, 2009 9:17:41 GMT 9
Had Hitler delayed his war until 1944/45 and fully developed this bomber and the ME-262 jet fighter the out come of WWII might have been different.
But he was evil and full of greed.
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Post by steve201 (deceased) on Nov 25, 2009 11:28:21 GMT 9
well...I hate to disagree with you about Hitler....he was a genius but was misguided by his advisors....plus he was ill with what some think may have been Parkinson's disease...yes if he'd had taken the time to consolidate his progress and to settle what he had taken...ie france...spain...poland...the chec's....etc...and developed those weapons to it's fullest....he could have very well concoured the world.......his efforts were really fragmented towards the end of the war after the US got into the fight and started bombing his factories.....if he'd had stopped and not taken on the US also...the war would have turned out way different......
he also made the agreement with Japan to tie the US up in the pacific...not realizing just how the US would react to being attacked by japan.....we threw the whole effort into defeating both japan and Germany....he really underestimated the galvanizing effect japan's attack on pearl would have on the american populace......
although he had some of the most brilliant minds in europe working on his war machine....I feel he was ill advised on many fronts and efforts......
just my thoughts on it......I saw that episode on the stealth fighter and it would have definitely been a real game changer IF they had had time to develope the aircraft...
Steve
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Nov 25, 2009 12:32:53 GMT 9
Hitler may well have been a genius. But, he was also a narcissistic megalomaniac. He refused to listen to his generals and admirals.
He was advised not to try to invade Russia. However, he thought he could do what no one else had done, not even Napoleon; conquer Russia. He lost the greater part of his army, tanks and artillery, in trying to win a Winter campaign in Russia. It was a total disaster. Rather than accepting blame for his poor planning, he fired and had executed many of the ranking officers he ordered to Russia.
He earlier lost North Africa because he would not support Rommel's forces. He expected them to beat the British and then the Americans and British. But he refused to send fuel, replacement tanks or aircraft and then blamed Rommel for not doing enough.
There was a plan in place for the invasion of England, but he turned his back on it. Why? No one knows. It just seems like he lost interest.
He refused to listen to Rommel and others about defending the Atlantic Wall with more equipment and troops. Then when D-Day took him by surprise, he again blamed the generals.
So, genius? Yes. Mad man? Yes.
Like all narcissists and megalomaniacs, he gathered a coterie of sycophants and other enablers around him, none of whom would ever tell him he was wrong or come up with a better idea.
Hitler's biggest enemy was Hitler.
In the end, he was his own undoing.
Not the first to have that ignominious ending, nor will he be the last.
That's my story, and I'm stickin to it.
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Post by Bullhunter on Nov 25, 2009 14:14:58 GMT 9
I don't think the jews would agree with that.
He and Stalin were both evil. Murdered millions!
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Post by MOW on Nov 25, 2009 19:32:38 GMT 9
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Post by jimpadgett on Nov 25, 2009 20:18:48 GMT 9
Thanks for the info Pat and Pat.
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Post by steve201 (deceased) on Nov 26, 2009 2:24:52 GMT 9
I don't think the jews would agree with that. He and Stalin were both evil. Murdered millions! I agree with that...he had such hatred for the jews ....yes he thought they were bringing down the economy and all....he then moved his hate to others... attempting to take on all the fronts ..ie..north africa..russia...etc...and he didn't support the troops engaged...but as I said...if he had stopped at the european continent...he could have rebuilt..resupplied and moved on to north africa and russia almost unimpeded..... when I say he was a genius...I don't mean that in admiration...he obviously bit off more than he could chew and wouldn't listen to his advisors....... his bold move to ignore the treaties of Varsie(sp) and rearm Germany and then move into poland...nobody lifted a finger against him and even England thought they made nice with him as Chamberland went back to Germany feeling all fuzzy and warm about his meeting with Chancelor Hitler..... Stalin was insane......no other way about it... Steve |
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Nov 26, 2009 6:14:01 GMT 9
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Post by Gene on Nov 26, 2009 9:15:14 GMT 9
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Post by MOW on Nov 26, 2009 10:12:47 GMT 9
Yes, there earlier prop versions dating back to mid/late 1930's, but the "Raiders" plane, which was inspired from the US patent by German Luftfracht-Langguth "tailless airplane" of 1934, was actually built just for the movie. Movie production designer Norman Reynolds used a Northrop prototype of the B-36 Flying Wing and drawings by Ron Cobb below to design for Raiders of the Lost Ark. The plane was built in England by Vickers Aircraft Company and painted at EMI Elstree Studios in London. In order to ship the elaborate prop to Tunisia for filming, it had to be disassembled and sent in parts, then rebuilt on location.  Initially constructed as a two-seater, the Ho V was rebuilt about 1942 as a single seater  Ho Vc |
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Post by Gene on Nov 26, 2009 11:05:35 GMT 9
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Post by MOW on Nov 26, 2009 13:14:22 GMT 9
I think the "Raiders" version is just too cool  |
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Post by dude on Nov 26, 2009 13:25:39 GMT 9
 Wasn't this the one Hitler was going to use to try and hit New York?
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Post by Bullhunter on Nov 26, 2009 14:27:24 GMT 9
The military or history channel had a show on several weeks ago and the bomber he had to hit NY was a 4 engine aircraft. Thats about all I remember about it.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Nov 26, 2009 23:57:18 GMT 9
There was a six engine wing under development, but never got one built and flown. Supposedly, it would be able to fly non-stop across the Atlantic.
The German engineers were some of the very best. We saw that with our Space Program.
However, the way the War was going and with the lack of materials and money, they were somewhat hampered.
It didn't help that Hitler saw no need to have a long-range bomber. He was more determined to develop the V weapons.
So, some very advanced fighters and bombers ended up in the scrap heap.
By the time the Six was built, the American engineers were able to put to use some of the things Germany had already begun to develop.
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Post by Gene on Nov 27, 2009 3:38:44 GMT 9
The Junkers Ju 390 long range heavy bomber aircraft design was intended to be able to strike at locations along the east coast of the United States of America. The Ju 390 itself was a further development of the Junkers Ju 290 and was also tasked to fulfill the roles of maritime reconnaissance and transport. The Ju 390, also known by the unofficial nickname of the "New York Bomber" was developed into two workable prototypes that made the transatlantic flight theoretically possible.   |
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Post by dude on Nov 27, 2009 12:55:15 GMT 9
Thanks. Anyone know if they went into production? Just curious because it seems to me that timing had a lot to do with who won WWII. For example, would it have made any difference if D-Day happened six months or a year later than it did?
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Post by Gene on Nov 28, 2009 8:33:14 GMT 9
The first prototype, the V1, (serial marking GH+UK), was modified from a Ju 90V6 airframe (werke number J4918, civil registration D-AOKD) from July 1940 to April 1941, then to the Luftwaffe as KH+XC, from April 1941 through April 1942, then returned to Junkers and used for Ju 390 V1 construction). It made its maiden flight on 20 October 1943 and performed well, resulting in an order for 26 aircraft, to be designated Ju 390 A-1. None of these were actually built by the time that the project was cancelled (along with Ju 290 production) in mid-1944. |
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Wasn't this the one Hitler was going to use to try and hit New York?
