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Post by dude on Nov 26, 2009 13:39:40 GMT 9
 Just curious. When I was at the 48th Langley in the 70's we would periodically get a Marine pilot that would transfer in and spend about a year flying Six's. Then transfer back to the Marines. Was that a common thing in other Six squadrons?
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Post by Bullhunter on Nov 26, 2009 14:16:15 GMT 9
We had a Navy exchange pilot in the 318th FIS. He usually did very well on the ACT missions. He was with us about one year. During my 3 years there we had two exchange pilots. Both Navy.
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Post by dude on Nov 27, 2009 13:06:58 GMT 9
I noticed that too. They were hot on the stick, but didn't have enough experience with the MA-1 to be very effective.
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Post by delta2477a on Dec 2, 2009 10:10:18 GMT 9
Was an exchange-tour good for one's career (USN or USMC) or bad?
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 2, 2009 11:06:49 GMT 9
I do not think it hurts any.
Look at it this way.
If you are in aircraft maintenance and take a special duty assignment as an instructor or First Sgt does that hurt your career. no.
It shows you are flexible and adaptable.
Thats how I view it, but I'm no pilot. Maybe one of our pilots will add his view on it for you.
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Post by steve201 (deceased) on Dec 2, 2009 12:54:39 GMT 9
yrs ago a buddy of mine flew F15c's....he exchanged to the navy for awhile....said he was the most scared when they were approaching the Carrier at 160knts......
didn't hurt his carreer....didn't help either....now he's flying 777's for american....
Steve
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Post by loboheritage on Dec 3, 2009 6:30:00 GMT 9
I was the Navy exchange pilot to the 318th from 72 to 74. exchange duty didn't help or hurt. selection to exchange was, however, very competitive. great shore duty. went from F8s on a carrier at war to McChord, then back to SEA after the exchange tour. and......I take exception to the remark about the MA-1. I was an Expert rated pilot the last year and our FEs didn't give that away......the F8 was also a single seat radar aircraft ( but not nearly as sophisticated as the F106). really enjoyed the tour at the 318th.
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Post by dude on Dec 3, 2009 14:01:51 GMT 9
I was the Navy exchange pilot to the 318th from 72 to 74. exchange duty didn't help or hurt. selection to exchange was, however, very competitive. great shore duty. went from F8s on a carrier at war to McChord, then back to SEA after the exchange tour. and......I take exception to the remark about the MA-1. I was an Expert rated pilot the last year and our FEs didn't give that away......the F8 was also a single seat radar aircraft ( but not nearly as sophisticated as the F106). really enjoyed the tour at the 318th. Ah the last Gunfighter. I assume you were refering to the APQ-94. If so, I'm glad you appreciate the difference between it and the MA-1. After all that was my point. Don't know if it makes a difference but our outfit had Marines. Perhaps out of LeJune, but not sure. As I remember they were either O2s or O3s. Let's see... there was Capt. Hot Dot, Capt. ATOT, and my absolute favorite... Capt. CND. But to be fair, full up MA-1 expertise was an evolutionary progression that in my opinion took most a good 2-3 years in the cockpit to really become proficient regardless of uniform. :patriotic-flagwaver |
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Post by jimpadgett on Dec 3, 2009 23:33:56 GMT 9
I believe these positions were competitive and selective. These guys were the best and had to be highly adaptable. Our guy, Lt Cebrowski, in 1968-69 stood alert in rotation with the rest of the 318th FIS pilots. He, also, was rated Expert and that was no gimmie.
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 3, 2009 23:56:54 GMT 9
loboheritage, Welcome back  I see by your stats that you last posted in July. Always interest to hear from the flying side of things. Thanks for your service. :salute |
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Post by dude on Dec 4, 2009 8:34:54 GMT 9
I believe these positions were competitive and selective. These guys were the best and had to be highly adaptable. Our guy, Lt Cebrowski, in 1968-69 stood alert in rotation with the rest of the 318th FIS pilots. He, also, was rated Expert and that was no gimmie. Well I've read that term twice now, so I'm curious. Exactly how did a pilot achieve an expert rating in an F-106? |
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Post by dude on Dec 5, 2009 23:33:27 GMT 9
I believe these positions were competitive and selective. These guys were the best and had to be highly adaptable. Our guy, Lt Cebrowski, in 1968-69 stood alert in rotation with the rest of the 318th FIS pilots. He, also, was rated Expert and that was no gimmie. Well I've read that term twice now, so I'm curious. Exactly how did a pilot achieve an expert rating in an F-106? Maybe I was too specific. I'm curious as to how the pilot rating system works (any aircraft). |
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Post by loboheritage on Dec 18, 2009 3:42:31 GMT 9
In ADC, the ratings were progressive if the FE giving the upgrade checkride saw you had the skills to be rated higher. The normal ratings were: Qualified, Skilled and Expert. There was one above Expert, but I only saw one pilot with that rating....can't remember what it was called. Each rating represented the overall skill level in all phases of flying the aircraft, running the fire control system and overall knowledge of the aircraft and mission.
also: jimpadgett....Art Cebrowski made admiral and passed away in the last two years from a reoccurance of cancer. great guy
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Post by loboheritage on Dec 18, 2009 7:33:52 GMT 9
pic taken at MCAS El Toro in 73 or 74 when 318th was on ACT deployment. my crew chief was Sgt. Clark. anyone know him?......
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Post by loboheritage on Dec 18, 2009 7:47:04 GMT 9
on alert on a weekend at the 318th. alert, yes, but taking a few pics.....
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Post by jimpadgett on Dec 18, 2009 10:57:15 GMT 9
Well Capt Brown great news that Lt Cebrowski made Admiral he was indeed a great guy and I sorry to hear of his passing. By the way, no aircraft stood alert on the ramp in front of the AGE (GSE) dispatch shop or without power or air connected. And, as I suppose you found out, those things won't hatch no matter how long you sit on them. They are IR heads not eggs.
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Post by dude on Dec 18, 2009 14:09:59 GMT 9
In ADC, the ratings were progressive if the FE giving the upgrade checkride saw you had the skills to be rated higher. The normal ratings were: Qualified, Skilled and Expert. There was one above Expert, but I only saw one pilot with that rating....can't remember what it was called. Each rating represented the overall skill level in all phases of flying the aircraft, running the fire control system and overall knowledge of the aircraft and mission. Thanks. So if I read you right, it was an individual thing. Some got it sooner than others, some not at all. Was there any designation on the uniform reflecting the level? Reason I ask I think I remember seeing where there are different levels of pilot wings. But that might be just USAF. P.S. Normal gestation period on an IR head is about 28 days  |
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Post by Jim on Dec 19, 2009 1:18:35 GMT 9
they wore shoulder patches.. Go here www.f-106deltadart.com/ and look on the home page while you are listening to the burners light off, you will see the patches the wore.............. There were no gimmes, most that I knew wore the skilled patch.......... wings, whether pilot,navigator, radar operator, bombadier,ewo,crew chief, flight engineer, gunner, loadmaster, or scanner wore wings, wings with a star and wings with a star and a wreath, which were generally based on flying hours.......... The Old Sarge....... BTW, I believe all branches used the same designation |
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Post by loboheritage on Dec 19, 2009 4:03:09 GMT 9
The alert aircraft were in the barn. This aircraft was on the line in front of the ops and AGE buildings. We could be in the ops area, but still could be airborne from the barn in less than 5 minutes.
As for the different wings, yes the Air Force has different wings: regular, senior (star) and command (star and wreath). Naval Aviators all wear the same wings.....Navy, Marine and Coast Guard. Only the naval astronaut wings are different. There are, of course, different wings for naval flight officers and enlisted aircrewmen.
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Post by dude on Dec 19, 2009 12:13:35 GMT 9
I'll bet I saw those patches a thousand times and never noticed. Oh well... my bad. Another link to see them is www.usafpatches.com/photo/thumbnails.phpIt appears that there was also a verison that used the Six in lieu of ADC.
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Just curious. When I was at the 48th Langley in the 70's we would periodically get a Marine pilot that would transfer in and spend about a year flying Six's. Then transfer back to the Marines. Was that a common thing in other Six squadrons?
