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Post by MOW on Nov 7, 2009 19:43:39 GMT 9
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Post by jimpadgett on Nov 7, 2009 22:37:27 GMT 9
Pat: One of our members who posted recently sounded like he/she was a "scope dope" and may be able to help with info. I had heard the same stories about SAGE capabilities as were listed in the Air Force Mags article on the six.
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Post by dude on Nov 8, 2009 8:18:35 GMT 9
Well I'll kick in a some info and let others correct my lapse in memory/understanding.... Briefly..... SAGE worked through the MA-1 using TDDL, Time Delayed Data Link. The intent was to provide non-verbal commands for vectoring the aircraft towards a successful intercept. SAGE would dictate if the intercept would be conducted under close control or modified close control. Target information as well as information such as command heading, altitude and mach were provided to initially fly to an offset point. Reaching this point was shown by a 20 sec circle on the radar scope that would shrink as the point was reached. At the offset point, new commands were issued that were intended to set up the Six for a radar lock-on and and setup for the optimium attack tactic.
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Post by dude on Nov 8, 2009 8:39:56 GMT 9
Forgot to mention that each Six had a unique aircraft address dialed up on its data link receiver so the SAGE commands received were specific to each aircraft.
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Post by Gene on Nov 8, 2009 16:47:56 GMT 9
i got the unoffical tour of our sage complex in the mid '70's... got to see the war room...that was james bond cool.
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Post by MOW on Nov 8, 2009 17:45:46 GMT 9
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Post by Gene on Nov 8, 2009 18:47:50 GMT 9
one more time....who owns the red, white and blue tail....i saw a t bird in a guys backyard sporting one...
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Post by dude on Nov 9, 2009 3:09:57 GMT 9
Great start Pat. I've got some more stuff on the Six I'll send you. Meanwhile, first paragraph under the SAGE / Six area might be a bit of a stretch. Pilot still had to lock on target, select and arm the weapon, and pull the trigger to fire. He also maintained throttle control. By the way, TDDL should be Time Division Data Link, not Time Delay. My bad.
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Post by sixerviper on Nov 13, 2009 10:40:18 GMT 9
Bein' an old Instrument Weenie, I don't remember a whole lot about SAGE and MA-1 (wish I did...) but I sure remember the 520 and 620 units and the part they played in the DL system as far as positioning cmd alt, mach, a/s, hdg, tgt alt, and tgt brg are concerned. I remember seeing "scope dopes" around the base. I remember being an augmentee medic at Duluth and using the first floor of the SAGE building as a triage point (other floors were HIGHLY classified!). I remember going to Minot and seeing the PRIDE building and thinking to myself that it looked just like a SAGE building. I had no idea until today that it was built as a SAGE but used as SAC's CBPO and Accounting & Finance sections, manned by Titless WAFs. Nothing classified there at the time! Thanks for rekindling the memories!!
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Post by dude on Nov 13, 2009 14:34:46 GMT 9
Pat, here's the additional info on SAGE. Please use as you see fit. SAGE and the F-106The primary means of communication between SAGE and the F-106 was accomplished using time division data link (TDDL). Signals from the SAGE AN/GKA-5 transmitter were received by the F-106 data link receiver; either an AN/ARR-60 or AN/ARR-61. SAGE provides two modes of control for interceptor command and navigation: close control and modified close control. The SAGE transmission would dictate which of the two modes would be dominant in a given scenario. Close Control (CC). The primary mode of the data link was close control. In this mode, the SAGE transmitter would send an encoded message to the aircraft data link receiver which would check it for validity and proper aircraft address before sending the information on to the MA-1 computer. The MA-1 computer would in turn use this information to send commands for mach, altitude and heading to the Automatic Flight Control System (AFSC) and cockpit displays for vectoring the interceptor towards the target. While the AFSC could automatically accomplish the altitude and heading commands, the pilot needed to manually adjust the throttle to achieve the command speed. Modified Close Control (MCC). When an F-106 was paired up with a target, in addition to the altitude, speed and heading CC commands for the interceptor, SAGE would also send MCC messages that contained extensive target information. The data link receiver would validate the messages and pass them on to the MA-1 computer. The MA-1 computer would use this information to calculate the tactics required and send the corresponding speed, altitude and heading commands to the cockpit displays and AFSC. Two types of MCC messages were transmitted by SAGE: MCC-Region Origin (MCC TACAN) and MCC-Interceptor (MCC-NO TACAN). In MCC Region Origin, target X and Y coordinates were referenced with respect to the SAGE origin. In MCC-Interceptor, target position was referenced with respect to the interceptor. The default mode was MCC-Region Origin. MCC-Interceptor usually had to be requested by the pilot except when MCC messages where sent as backup messages during the CC dominant mode. In the Cockpit. TDDL interaction between SAGE and the F-106 was controlled in the cockpit using the Data Link Converter Receiver Control Panel located on the right console. The pilot could select a SAGE frequency using one of 26 preset channels, or manually insert a four digit channel. Using the Address Select switch, the pilot could select one of 32 aircraft addresses that would be compared to the aircraft address embedded in the SAGE signal as one of the means for validating the transmission. The receiver also accommodated back-up data link voice communication. The Display/Automatic Mode Selector Switch on the main instrument panel determined what data link information was displayed and how intercept tactics would be executed. There were two positions for the switch: MAX RANGE and DL MIN TIME. Each had different meanings depending on which data link mode was dominant (CC or MCC). For example if by SAGE command the dominant mode was CC, then there was no difference between the MAX RANGE and DL MIN TIME settings because SAGE was performing and issuing the interceptor guidance calculations. However, if the dominant mode was MCC, the position of the switch governed the profile and tactics commanded by the MA-1 computer to approach and attack the target. Typical tactics included: cutoff, pursuit, stern before offset, stern after offset and non-commit. The pilot could determine the selected tactic by setting his Homing Point Selector Switch to “U” and monitoring the target altitude marker on the AVVI. The marker would position at an altitude corresponding to one of the above tactics for a period of time, and then revert back to its normal function. Additional TDDL displays in the cockpit included the positioning of target and interceptor “bugs” on the Tactical Situation Display (TSD), command airspeed and mach on the Airspeed Mach Indicator (AMI), command altitude and target altitude on the Altitude Vertical Velocity Indicator (AVVI), command bank and steering on the Attitude Direction Indicator (ADI), command heading and target course and bearing on the Horizontal Situation Indicator (HSI) and time to offset and target range and azimuth relative to interceptor on the radar scope. The proper functioning of the data link was indicated by the Computer Mode Annunciator on the main instrument panel, which could display either “DL” for current data link, “DR” for dead reckoning or a barber pole if target information is over one minute old or no MCC data link was received during attack. Once the pilot locked the radar onto the target, all data link information was suspended while the MA-1 computer conducted the attack and firing sequence. Upon completion of the attack and selection of AUTO NAV by the pilot, data link information would resume for return to base vectoring.
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Post by MOW on Nov 13, 2009 21:11:19 GMT 9
Check the page and see what you think. How would you like me to write the credit for that info?
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Post by perkata on Nov 14, 2009 10:05:37 GMT 9
Dude:
Thanks for all this. I'm a former Air Force Russian-language comint operator who flew missions against the Soviet Union in '64-'66 (RC-130s out of Rhein-Main AB). During that time the Sovs were using a system roughly equivalent to SAGE, and guiding MiG-21s with it. I've been studying the Soviet system and, as you might expect, in many features it parallels SAGE. But your data is the most detailed I've found yet for how SAGE actually worked for American pilots. Please keep it up!
If anyone's interested I'll post data about the Soviet system as I get it together. I've a manual for the 1963 version and it's very detailed on ground usage and has an overview for how the groung-air datalink worked.
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Post by dude on Nov 14, 2009 14:06:54 GMT 9
:tailed-devil Pat the page looks great. I think the way you layed it down makes it more readable. No credit necessary, but if you want to lay something down just say a former MA-1 Scope Dope. Perkata: I for one would be interested to read how the Soviet system worked.
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